Where is "go to heaven" in the Bible?

[BPPLEE]

Why ask questions that no human can answer?
In all the Bibles I checked 1 Peter 3:19, says spirits. Spirit beings; not mortal humans.

Usage [?]

1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
   1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit)
   2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth")
   3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
   1. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
   2. the soul
3. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
   1. a life giving spirit
   2. a human soul that has left the body
   3. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
      1. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
      2. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
   1. the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
5. a movement of air (a gentle blast)
   1. of the wind, hence the wind itself
   2. breath of nostrils or mouth

spirits
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πνεύμασιν πνεῦμαpneuma

 

[keras]

Usage [?]

Very wise and learned. So Matthew 11:25 applies to you.

But it is possible to overcome the imposed inability to understand the Prophesies: by clearing the mind of all man taught theories and doctrines.
Start again as a babe in learning and God will reveal the secrets of the end times to you. Daniel 12:10b

 

[BPPLEE]

Very wise and learned. So Matthew 11:25 applies to you.

But it is possible to overcome the imposed inability to understand the Prophesies: by clearing the mind of all man taught theories and doctrines.
Start again as a babe in learning and God will reveal the secrets of the end times to you. Daniel 12:10b

All I did was post the meaning of spirits. It can be demons or it can be a man’s soul.
You said fallen angels, which some say are the same thing as demons
Matthew 11:25 may apply to me but in the opposite way from your implication.

 

[contratodo]

1 Corinthians 15:23 does not say 'all' those who belong to Christ will be raised at His Return. We know it will only be the GT martyrs, Rev 20:4
Then verse 24 tells of the end; after the Millennium, when ALL will be raised for Judgment.

1 Corinthians 15:23 says "every man in his own order; Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christs at His coming."

They that are Christs is therefore every man that belongs to Christ.

Revelation 20:4 describes two sets of people; thrones and they that sat on them,
and those killed in the tribulation.

The first resurrection is the marriage of the Lamb.
Revelation 19 also is describing the first resurrection and the resulting army in the sky with Christ.

Defeating the beast and false prophet Christ and His chosen ones begin to reign.
After 1000 years the enemy is allowed to attack the camp of the saints,
but a fire comes down destroying the enemy.
We can place 2 Peter 3:8-12 at that time, the world also being destroyed by that fire.
At that time all remaining souls are resurrected and judged, those not found in the book of life are thrown in the fire.
A new sky and land is made as new Jerusalem comes down.

 

[keras]

1 Corinthians 15:23 says "every man in his own order; Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christs at His coming."

They that are Christs is therefore every man that belongs to Christ.

Yes; everyone will be Judged - in their correct order. Which is finally completed at the Great White Throne Judgment, after the Millennium.

It is wrong to place resurrection of all the Christian dead at Jesus' Return. We are plainly told that only those killed for their faith during the period of world satanic control, of 42 months, will have their souls brought back by Jesus and be resurrected.
ALL the rest of the dead must wait until the thousand years is over. Revelation 20:5

Revelation 19 also is describing the first resurrection and the resulting army in the sky with Christ.

Plainly and undeniably stated as the Lord angel army of heaven. Revelation 19:14
It is a sci-fi dream of unbelievable proportions to think that humans will accompany Jesus at His glorious Return.

 

[contratodo]

It is a sci-fi dream of unbelievable proportions to think that humans will accompany Jesus at His glorious Return.

Israels dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise...
In that day [the day when the dead rise, the day of the Lord]
the Lord with His strong a severe sword shall punish Leviathan...
and He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Isaiah 26:19,27:1

And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army:
for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executes His word:
for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
and who can abide it?
Joel 2:11

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteous arise with healing in his wings;
and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
And ye shall tread down the wicked;
for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 4:2-3

Thus says the Lord God; Come from the four winds Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live....
and they lived, and stood up upon their feet
an exceedingly great army.
Ezekiel 37:9-10

...all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds
from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 24:30-31

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh.
Jude 1:14-15

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, [Isaiah 26:19]
and we (alive) shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:52

For the Lord Himself will descend from the sky with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first [dead humans]
[Abraham,Isaiah, Job, David all specifically hoped to be resurrected, they hoped in Christ, people like them will be raised first]
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air: and thereafter we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels.
In flaming fire taking vengeance [Psalm 58:10] on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ. [Luke 6:27-49]
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8

When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, [Malachi 4:2-3, Jude 1:14-15]
and to be admired in all them that believe
2 Thessalonians 1:10

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him,
because the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should
be clothed in fine linen, clean and white
Revelation 19:7-8

And I saw the sky opened, and behold a white horse,
and He that sat on it was called Faithful and True
and in righteousness He does judge and make war.
Revelation 19:11

And the armies in the sky followed Him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 19:14 [Joel 2:11, Ezekiel 37:10, Jude 1:14-15]


And the beast was taken, [Leviathan]
and with him the false prophet.... [the Dragon]
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded from His mouth: [Joel 2:11]
and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 19:20-21

 

[keras]

Israels dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise...
In that day [the day when the dead rise, the day of the Lord]
the Lord with His strong a severe sword shall punish Leviathan...
and He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

A Prophecy about the GWT Judgments, after the Millennium.

And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army:
for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executes His word:
for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
and who can abide it?
Joel 2:11

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteous arise with healing in his wings;
and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
And ye shall tread down the wicked;
for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 4:2-3

Prophesies about the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

Thus says the Lord God; Come from the four winds Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live....
and they lived, and stood up upon their feet
an exceedingly great army.
Ezekiel 37:9-10

The Gospel received by the House of Israel, still in exile scattered around the world.

..all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds
from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 24:30-31

The glorious Return of King Jesus, to reign for the next thousand years.

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh.
Jude 1:14-15

....I saw the Lord come with myriads of His angels, to bring all mankind to Judgment.....REBible
The Return and then the Judgment of Matthew 25:31-33

 

[keras]

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, [Isaiah 26:19]
and we (alive) shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:52

This is a Prophecy about the GWT Judgment, Rev 20:11-15, AFTER the Millennium: Then Eternity.

For the Lord Himself will descend from the sky with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first [dead humans]

When Jesus Returns, He will bring the souls of those people killed for their faith during the 42 months of Satanic control. Revelation 20:4.
Nowhere is anyone else mentioned.

2 Thessalonians 1:10

2 Thessalonians 6-10 tells about the Day the Lord will send fire; the Sixth Seal event and after it, will reveal Himself only to His faithful peoples.
As they see Him on Mt Zion; Revelation 14:1

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him,
because the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should
be clothed in fine linen, clean and white
Revelation 19:7-8

We are not told when the Marriage Feast will be, but it says; the Lamb has come, so must be AFTER the Return, and on earth.

Revelation 19:11

The glorious Return of Jesus accompanied by His angel armies. We humans will say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!

And the beast was taken, [Leviathan]
and with him the false prophet.... [the Dragon]
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded from His mouth: [Joel 2:11]
and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 19:20-21

Note that Satan is only chained up at the Return, Rev 20:1-3
The attacking armies at Armageddon are killed by Jesus' sword, not by fire, as happens at the Sixth Seal.

 

[keras]

It is sad that many peoples beliefs of what will happen during the end times are colored by the 'rapture to heaven' belief.
A lot of Christian people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture”, that is:

they believe that before the beast of Revelation takes over, makes war on the saints, and demands his mark on each person's body, all Christians will be "raptured".
The word rapture and the idea of a removal of living people to heaven is not in the Bible.

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not be here for the tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come.

They cannot see what is happening before their very eyes. They are so locked into deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

The nature of deception is that you really believe what is false and that you disbelieve what is true. The only way that someone can come out of deception is if they really love the truth. If someone truly loves the scriptures, he will change his beliefs to conform to the scriptures when he sees that he is wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel that they have too much to lose by changing their false belief system. What if a dispensationalist preacher accepted the truth that he has been preaching a lie? Do you think his preacher friends will congratulate him for leaving deception? Do you think his dispensationalist congregation will be happy with him? There is a good chance that he will lose his tenure and position. Because many love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they will stay in deception rather lose their standing in their community. They cannot even afford to think that their beliefs may be wrong. You have to really love the truth to run this race.

Dispensationalism and the rapture is a heresy taught all across the face of the earth in Bible colleges and seminaries. It is preached and taught from pulpits, in books, and videos. If you go to a dispensationalist church, the people may hand you an armload of books to read about dispensationalist doctrines. They will invite you to sit through their biased Bible studies and maybe have you watch dispensationalist teachers on videos or in conferences. They will use all kinds of sophistry in their sermons. They will take scriptures out of context and make them infer a meaning that simply isn’t there. They will say that you are not a "Bible-believer" if you refuse to believe in dispensationalism. They will also tell you that you have to, "rightly divide the word of truth" as if the scriptures will lead you to dispensationalist conclusions. Then they may send more books home with you to read. If you remain unconvinced, they may berate you, and maybe even call you a heretic and will consign you to the hell they think is to come onto the earth.

All this is really sad, because the truth of God’s Plans for His people, are for their wellbeing and He is ready to pour out His blessings upon every Christian who stands firm in their faith during the testing time to come.

 

[contratodo]

When Jesus Returns, He will bring the souls of those people killed for their faith during the 42 months of Satanic control. Revelation 20:4.
Nowhere is anyone else mentioned.

That is your response to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17?

"We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air;
and so shall we always be with the Lord" 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Clearly humans up in the air, in the clouds with Jesus.

When Jesus returns, He will resurrect souls and change alive people, bringing them up into the air and clouds with Him.
He will literally spew fire from His mouth, divine fire that can slay to the very soul, the only safe place will be high up in the air with Him.

When the Bible speaks of the sword of the Lord or His voice,
we know it is speaking about fire and brimstone because of
Isaiah 30:30-33.

And the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard,
and shall shew the lightning down of his strength,
with the indignation of His anger,
and with the flame of a devouring fire,
with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
Isaiah 30:30

[Isaiah 30:30-31, Micah 5:2-5, In the Messiah these are fulfilled;
Revelation 19:20-21 is the prophetic account of those passages being fulfilled,
the Assyrian representing the anti-Christ]

For Tophet it is ordained of old;
yea, for the king it is prepared;
He has made it (the lake of fire)
deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; (volcanoes and trees)
the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
Isaiah 30:33

Therefore clearly when we read about the sword coming out of the Messiahs mouth in Revelation 19:21,
we know it is fire, like a stream of brimstone, coming out of His mouth.


The wicked will literally be ashes under the soles of the saints feet on the day of the Lord, as specifically promised in Malachi 4:2-3.
The righteous will rejoice in seeing the great vengeance unfold as promised in Psalm 58:10.
On that day there will be many burnt up corpses and many birds picking at the remains, the supper of the great God Revelation 19:17-21.

 

[contratodo]

A lot of Christian people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture”, that is:

they believe that before the beast of Revelation takes over, makes war on the saints, and demands his mark on each person's body, all Christians will be "raptured".
The word rapture and the idea of a removal of living people to heaven is not in the Bible.

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not be here for the tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come.

Amen, I agree with this 100%

There is no rapture, there is a second coming.
Everyone will see Christ coming in the clouds of the sky; Matthew 24:30.
He will gather His chosen ones; Matthew 24:31, to be up in the clouds with Him; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
To do doom upon all flesh: Jude 1:14-15.
To fulfill Malachi 4:2-3 and Psalm 58:10.
There is no rapture and there is only 1 second coming;
Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and Revelation 19:11,
are all speaking about the 1 second coming of Christ.

 

[keras]

"We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air;
and so shall we always be with the Lord" 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Clearly humans up in the air, in the clouds with Jesus.

First point: heaven is not mentioned.
Second point; the catching up is into the clouds; the earths atmosphere, then to where Jesus will be at His Return, Zechariah 14:3 is clear; the Mt of Olives, Jerusalem, on earth.
The example for this sort of horizontal transportation, is that of Philip in Acts 8:39

When the Bible speaks of the sword of the Lord or His voice,
we know it is speaking about fire and brimstone because of
Isaiah 30:30-33.

And the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard,
and shall shew the lightning down of his strength,
with the indignation of His anger,
and with the flame of a devouring fire,
with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
Isaiah 30:30

[Isaiah 30:30-31, Micah 5:2-5, In the Messiah these are fulfilled;
Revelation 19:20-21 is the prophetic account of those passages being fulfilled,
the Assyrian representing the anti-Christ]

For Tophet it is ordained of old;
yea, for the king it is prepared;
He has made it (the lake of fire)
deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; (volcanoes and trees)
the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
Isaiah 30:33

All of these Prophesies are about the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords fiery wrath.

Therefore clearly when we read about the sword coming out of the Messiahs mouth in Revelation 19:21,
we know it is fire, like a stream of brimstone, coming out of His mouth.

But it isn't like that at all, as when Jesus Returns, the armies at Armageddon are killed without fire or made into ashes, as the carrion beasts and birds feast on them.

Amen, I agree with this 100%

There is no rapture, there is a second coming.

Great, we agree!

No rapture to heaven, but a supernatural raising up of those who remain alive, to be with Jesus for His Millennium reign.

 

[Diamond72]

No human can ever leave the earth and go to be in Gods dwelling place.

Jesus was human, where is He? What about Matthew 27:52. Where are the Saints that were resurrection at that time?

52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.…

 

[keras]

Jesus was human, where is He?

Jesus was with God at the beginning; Proverbs 8:22-31
He became as a human for His first Advent and after He was killed, He rose again into immortality.

Matthew 27:52. Where are the Saints that were resurrection at that time?

They died again, as Lazarus and all those raised have done. Only at the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium, will they all be raised to immortality.

It is a fable; a false teaching to think people can go to live in heaven. We are made to live on the earth and after all the Plans of God are completed, God and heaven will come to us. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[Diamond72]

It is a fable; a false teaching to think people can go to live in heaven.

Our physical body does not go to heaven. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8 ​

 

[keras]

Our physical body does not go to heaven. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8​

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confidant and would rather be exiled from the body and make our home with the Lord. REBible
Paul does not say when this could or will happen.
We find that information in Revelation, where those who kept their faith during the testing times are gathered to Jesus at His Return. Matthew 24:31 But all of the dead must wait for the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. The only exceptions are the martyrs killed during the 42 month period of 'beast' control. Revelation 20:4-6

Paul then exhorts us to remain acceptable to Christ, and at His Judgment, we will receive what is due to us for our conduct while we are alive,
2 Corinthians 5:9-10
The thinking that Paul was teaching a rapture to heaven, is wrong. We are told 4 times to endure until the end. Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:36, Revelation 13:10 & 14:12

 

[Diamond72]

Jesus at His Return.

Where is Jesus returning from? Where did He go? We know He was taken up.

Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

Matthew 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

If you do not think we to go be with Jesus when we die, then I would tend to believe you won't because you do not believe.

 

[keras]

If you do not think we to go be with Jesus when we die, then I would tend to believe you won't because you do not believe.

What I believe is what the Bible tells us.
Several scriptures say that the dead know nothing and they 'sleep' in their graves.

The idea of instantly appearing in heaven at death, is a white lie, told to console the bereaved, it is never stated in the Bible.

Those whose precious beliefs I contradict and who consign me to stay on earth while they go to heaven at death or in a 'rapture', are guilty of judging their brethren, James 4:11-12

It is noted that you answer the proofs I present with a childish question. You fail to address the scriptures quoted.

 

[Diamond72]

What I believe is what the Bible tells us.

The Bible has to be translated and interpreted. Who is better able to do that? Someone with a two year associate degree or someone with a Phd. Lots of people go to community churches with the two year degree pastors. On top of that people would be amazed at how much the Hebrew people interpreted the Bible before they gave it to us. The Bible is like a song. You can read the words but you have to memorize the notes. Actually I can not read music so I pretty much have to do that anyways.

Many mainline churches require a degree in science before you can study religion. But often the two year pastor wants to throw science out the window because they have never studied science and know nothing about it. I talk to people that do not even have a fifth grade level of understanding of science. There use to be a program in TV: Are you smarter than a fifth grader. When Jesus said we had to be as a child, he could be talking about how people need to raise themselves up to function at the level of a fifth grader.

In my state you have to take a test to get a high school degree. It is required that you know math and science to pass the test. That is why we keep ending up in court when people argue with the board of education over what is required. That is one election along with mayor that I get involved in supporting the people who support what I believe.

 

[Diamond72]

The idea of instantly appearing in heaven at death

Why was Jesus taken up if you instantly appear there? We are told that in the same way He departed He is going to return. The question is, when is Jesus going to return? Now or in 1,000 years when there will be a new Heaven and a New Earth.

Acts 1:11

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Paul is clear to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord, where He is at. Even though our Physical body stays here on the earth until the resurrection.