Anti-semitic fear of Palestine Siege

[Nithavela]

You can't just invade another country, commit countless atrocities, run away with hundreds of hostages and then call for a seize fire.

 

[expos4ever]

All the people supporting "palestinians" are siding with Hamas, to encourage putting their own people in harms way works.

How can you possibly know this? You appear to be simply assuming that support for Palestinians equates to support with Hamas.

This is incorrect logic.

 

[ralliann]

How can you possibly know this?

Because we know they do what they do to get sympathy (support).

You appear to be simply assuming that support for Palestinians equates to support with Hamas.

This is incorrect logic.

You are wanting Israel to stop. You are reacting exactly as they wanted and it benefits them.

 

[Larniavc]

What does going “too far” mean? Did Hamas not go too far by killing 250 or so people at an outdoor music festival, and taking another 200+ persons hostage? I kinda doubt that many—if any at all—of these victims are Israeli military or intelligence personnel who might have been guilty of mistreating or oppressing Palestinians. What exactly should be Israel’s response to this attack on it’s citizens, and others, that doesn’t go too far?

I think you might need to weigh up how many people Hamas has killed against how may people the Knesset has killed.

 

[expos4ever]

Because we know they do what they do to get sympathy (support).

The fact that Hamas wants sympathy from the Palestinian people does not, of course, mean that any who expresses support for the Palestinian people is a supporter from Hamas.

You are wanting Israel to stop. You are reacting exactly as they wanted and it benefits them.

I have raised the possibility that Israel would be better off with a less drastic response than one that has cost so many civilian lives. The irony is that the "blast away" approach you appear to be endorsing will, even if Hamas is greatly damaged in the short term, only give rise to a new generation of Hamas terrorists.

 

[ralliann]

The fact that Hamas wants sympathy from the Palestinian people does not, of course, mean that any who expresses support for the Palestinian people is a supporter from Hamas.

When you do not BLAME Hamas for this, you support them doing this. Youmake it effective, as that is their purpose in doing it. It is simple thing to understand. Children have temper tantrums because they are not allowed what they want. Blaming the parent for the child biting, kicking, hitting is to support the child getting what they want. Furthermore the child fully intends to continue biting , kicking, etc. Because you support that behavior.

 

[Robban]

Why is there a state of Israel?

It goes back a long way, it was supposed to be the " Jewish solution".
After centuries of persecution the thought was that if a piece of land was alloted to Israel, all would be well.

Here a tiny weeny extract from Herzl's writings, (1896)
The plan,
Let the sovereignty be granted us over a portion of the globe large enough to satisfy the rightful requirements of a nation,
and the rest we will manage ourselves.
further more,
Shall we choose Palestine or Argentina?
We shall take what is given us, and what is selected by Jewish public opinion.

Since the destruction of the second Temple Israel was scattered over the whole world, regarding the country they came to as the "host" country.
A remnant was left behind however.

In waiting for the King Messiah who will gather in and rebuild the Temple.
This miracle has not yet taken place.

I believe in Abraham's words to Lot.

"Yes, the land is promised to us, but not yet."

A video I love to watch,

 

[ralliann]

You can't just invade another country, commit countless atrocities, run away with hundreds of hostages and then call for a seize fire.

But there are those who say (support) just that.

 

[stevevw]

Why can't Israel just use its intelligence assets to incentivize Palestinians to reveal Hamas locations, movements, plans, disable booby traps, etc and then eliminate targets with a small elite strike force on the ground via special or covert ops, also using embedded assets.

They would have saved a lot of money and avoided so many civilian casualties this way.

Or saving innocent Palestinian lives was never part of the plan......OR

Israel's intelligence assets are very poorly utilized than they have led the world to believe which ultimately led to the Hamas sneak attack in the first place.

Or they can't stand the idea of employing Palestinians to spy for them? Would rather bomb them than employ them as spies?

Isreal doesn't trust the Palestinians because around 90% of them also want the Isreali's dead, want them to be destroyed by terror. A number of surveys have revealed that most Palestinians are happy to see the Jews wiped out. How do you trust such a people. They are more likely to set the Jews up to be attacked by Hamas than take out Hamas.

Isreal did agree to a cease fire but it only lasted a few days because Hamas reneged and started attacking Isreal again. They will always be the same, never change. There is no way they will voluntarily agree to peace, its not in their DNA.

They have been attacking the Jews for years and the Jews have had enough. The latest terror attack was the straw that broke the camels back.

What I can't understand is all these people coming out and pleading for the plight of the Palestinians when the Muslims have been wiping out other Muslims and Christians for decades. Something like over 100,000 innocent Muslims were killed by Muslims yet not a single word was said in comdemning the Muslims.

This seems double standard and in fact IMO reveals the true agenda behind some who are condemning the Jews as Jew haters. Singling out the Jews when who have the right to defend themselves while remaining silent on Muslims killing innocents. Not because others have done something to them but because of their ideology to oppress and kill people who don't conform.

Its a bit like the University heads who refuse to condemn Hamas and the anti-semetic garbage some students have been portraying while being quite willing to condemn and sack anyone who mentions long held facts and truths we have lived by for centuries. It just shows their bias and political agenda.

 

[Riot42]

To those that support Isreal's war I have a hypothetical for you.

Lets say someone murders your entire family. You are then presented the murderer, his wife, and 3 children tied to the left side of a switched railroad track. The right side is clear. Do you switch the track to the right side and save them knowing the murderer will escape your vengance? If you would why would you support Isreal's war? What they are doing is even worse..

Our lord Jesus is the prince of peace and we are called to follow him in all ways. Israel is unjustified in its murder of civilians and they will have to answer to God for it.

Romans 12:19-21 Beloved, don't be obsessed with taking revenge, but leave that to God's righteous justice. For the Scriptures say: “Vengeance is mine, and I will repay,” says the Lord.

 

[ralliann]

To those that support Isreal's war I have a hypothetical for you.

Lets say someone murders your entire family. You are then presented the murderer, his wife, and 3 children tied to the left side of a switched railroad track. The right side is clear. Do you switch the track to the right side and save them knowing the murderer will escape your vengance? If you would why would you support Isreal's war? What they are doing is even worse..

It depends if doing so would result in the murder of others. Do you stand there and watch him kill more people, or do you save them?

Our lord Jesus is the prince of peace and we are called to follow him in all ways. Israel is unjustified in its murder of civilians and they will have to answer to God for it.

Israel has gone to war.

Romans 12:19-21 Beloved, don't be obsessed with taking revenge, but leave that to God's righteous justice. For the Scriptures say: “Vengeance is mine, and I will repay,” says the Lord.

Israel is at war with an enemy that will continue the war whether Israel stops or not. They have said so. War is not anti scriptural.

 

[Michael Snow]

While Israel has the right to defend itself and provide deterrence against terrorists, I think Israel went too far in the present conflict and causing lots of deaths and misery in the region.

The call to ceasefire has fallen on deaf ears and the Western Coalition of nations pledging support for Israel's war campaign continues.

Yet a ceasefire could avert a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza strip and much more deaths. This is mercy and the humane thing to do.

But are countries choosing to be "Politically Correct" and avoiding the fear of being branded "Anti-Semitist" by supporting Israel's war campaign that is killing scores of innocent people everyday than save thousands of lives?

OR Palestinian lives do not matter?

Does Anti-Anti-Semitism now means only Israeli lives matter, anybody else don't??

Agree. The HAMAS attack was way beyond the bounds of a military action, it was a demonic, but Israel's response has been an uncontrolled rage at the atrocities. https://zeitgeistcontext.wordpress.com/2024/01/04/the-rise-of-demonic-spirits/

 

[ralliann]

Agree. The HAMAS attack was way beyond the bounds of a military action, it was a demonic, but Israel's response has been an uncontrolled rage at the atrocities. https://zeitgeistcontext.wordpress.com/2024/01/04/the-rise-of-demonic-spirits/

Report is Israel has been very controlled.

 

[FireDragon76]

There's a real danger the US could be drawn into a regional conflict. Already the US navy is planning strikes on Houthi targets in the Red Sea. And alot of people in the Middle East are sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, so that could result in alot of regional unrest among the populace against their governments, who are walking a fine line.

 

[FireDragon76]

Isreal doesn't trust the Palestinians because around 90% of them also want the Isreali's dead, want them to be destroyed by terror. A number of surveys have revealed that most Palestinians are happy to see the Jews wiped out. How do you trust such a people. They are more likely to set the Jews up to be attacked by Hamas than take out Hamas.

Isreal did agree to a cease fire but it only lasted a few days because Hamas reneged and started attacking Isreal again. They will always be the same, never change. There is no way they will voluntarily agree to peace, its not in their DNA.

They have been attacking the Jews for years and the Jews have had enough. The latest terror attack was the straw that broke the camels back.

What I can't understand is all these people coming out and pleading for the plight of the Palestinians when the Muslims have been wiping out other Muslims and Christians for decades. Something like over 100,000 innocent Muslims were killed by Muslims yet not a single word was said in comdemning the Muslims.

This seems double standard and in fact IMO reveals the true agenda behind some who are condemning the Jews as Jew haters. Singling out the Jews when who have the right to defend themselves while remaining silent on Muslims killing innocents. Not because others have done something to them but because of their ideology to oppress and kill people who don't conform.

Its a bit like the University heads who refuse to condemn Hamas and the anti-semetic garbage some students have been portraying while being quite willing to condemn and sack anyone who mentions long held facts and truths we have lived by for centuries. It just shows their bias and political agenda.

You do realize a sizeable minority of Palestinians are Christians?

In addition, your claim that 90 percent of Palestinians want all the Jews in Palestine dead is just made up. What most Palestinians want is peace, dignity, and economic opportunities... the same as most any other people.

 

[stevevw]

You do realize a sizeable minority of Palestinians are Christians?

No where near as many as there use to be thanks to radical Palestinians persecuting them and driving them out. How is it that the progressives are highlighting the Jews defending themselves as somehow paersecution when actual and real persecution has been committed by Palestinian extremists in the occupied territories and every Muslim nation for decades to the point that just about all Jews and Christians have been driven out of these territories and nations. They are doing exactly word for word what activists and Woke ideologues are accusing Isreal of doing.

I mean not just Jews and Christians but also Muslims have been persecuted by these groups. The whole legal and political system is rigged and corrupt, people go missing, gays beheaded, women are raped and somehow the accuser is wrong based on the Muslim males word alone.

Bethlehem the birth place of Jesus and a holy place for both Jews and Christians which was once a massive Christian majority has now been wiped out to about 3,000 Christians. Jews are not even allowed to pray at their own Holy mount.

Yet the Woke United Nations, Universities, activists and ideologues silence is dafening when it comes to these human rights breachs but are quick to become hyper fixated on any tiny indescecion of Isreal. In fact its so deafening that it has allowed the same extremism within our own western nations where people are calling for the extermination of Jews. The same sentiment held by Muslim extremists.

Christians and even Muslims are free to live in Isreal under the circumstances of the threat that comes from radicals like Hamas. Isreal even allowed a Palestinian PM and polititians as well as business leaders. They can practice their religion and unlike radical Islam don't persecute, torture or murder people for being Muslims as Muslims do to Muslims if they become Christians.

Palestinian Crimes against Christian Arabs and Their Manipulation against Israel

Under the Palestinian regime Christian Arabs have been victims of frequent human rights abuses by Muslims. Palestinian Authority officials are directly responsible for many of the human rights violations. Yet for political and economic reasons many Palestinian Christian leaders blame Israel for...

jcpa.org

In addition, your claim that 90 percent of Palestinians want all the Jews in Palestine dead is just made up. What most Palestinians want is peace, dignity, and economic opportunities... the same as most any other people.

They probably do deep down as I don't believe all Palestinians are extremists. This is evdienced by the fact they use to live in relative peace before these radicals took over. But unfortunately these radicals know how to garner support, manipulate the system and create division just as they have done now in Western nations where some are calling chants like "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free". Which calling for Isreal to become a Muslim State and to wipe out the Jews.

I don't usually make claims without having some support. I think since Hamas has taken over along with the PA their radical beliefs have caused chaos and division and this has led to more and more Palestinians becoming more sympathetic to extremism. It won't be until these groups are stopped from injecting their vile and brutal ideology that we can have peace. They have refused peace offers so there comes a time where enough is enough.

In September 1995, survey participants were asked whether they supported, opposed or had no opinion with regard to "armed attacks against Israeli army targets", "armed attacks against Israeli settlers", and "armed attacks against Israeli civilian targets". The majority supported the use of armed attacks against Israeli military targets and settlers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

A July 2001 poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy & Survey Research (PSR) found that 58 percent of Palestinians supported armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel and 92 percent supported armed confrontations against the Israeli army in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.[140]

The firing of rockets from Beit Hanoun into Israel was acceptable to about three-quarters of the Palestinian public in the occupied territories, and was higher in the West Bank (78%) compared to the Gaza Strip (71%), among students (83%) compared to merchants (63%), and among supporters of Hamas (86%) compared to supporters of Fatah (73%).

A March 2008 report by Palestinian Center for Policy & Survey Research (PSR) noted that the level of support for armed attack against Israeli civilians inside Israel increased significantly with 67% supporting and 31% opposed, compared to support by 40% in 2005 and 55% in 2006. A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%. An overwhelming majority of 84 percent supported the March 2008 Mercaz HaRav massacre, in which a Palestinian gunman killed eight students and wounded eleven in a Jerusalem school. Support for the attack was 91 percent in the Gaza Strip compared to 79 percent in the West Bank.

In 2012, the number of militant attacks in the West Bank rose from 320 in 2011 to 578 in 2012, including 282 in Jerusalem alone compared to 191 in 2011. According to an annual Shin Bet report, the increase was due in part to a 68% rise of attacks using molotov cocktails. The number of attacks involving firearms and explosives grew by 42%, from 26 to 37.[150]
Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia

So as you can see over the years the incidents and sentiments of Palestians towards Isrealis has increased in both numbers and more targeting of civilians. More fire bombings,, explosions and shootings in the streets especially in the West Bank. Not a safe neighbourhood to be in.

 

[stevevw]

Report is Israel has been very controlled.

I think this whole situation is out of Isreals hands, out of everyones hands except Hamas and other radicals. We have watched and tolerated over years their acts and they are even upsetting our way of life, causing people to become more radicalized like them. This situation was inevitable and at some stage we would have had to address it as radicalism has increased to the point that its knocking on our door.

I think Isreal has been controlled. They have made mistakes but I think under the circumstances they have been able to maintain composure without becoming extreme like radicals. They have a history of peace, of living with others and sharing and most important compromise.

They share the same principles with the west of democracy, Rule of law and Human Rights though we have not perfectly followed this model. But its the best model and that is what we are really fighting for.

 

[ralliann]

You do realize a sizeable minority of Palestinians are Christians?

And? So were Nazi's. Christians should not support a terrorist government. Nor the genocide of Jew's.

In addition, your claim that 90 percent of Palestinians want all the Jews in Palestine dead is just made up. What most Palestinians want is peace, dignity, and economic opportunities... the same as most any other people.

Then they would have accepted peace. Hamas wants Israel destroyed.

 

[Hazelelponi]

While Israel has the right to defend itself and provide deterrence against terrorists, I think Israel went too far in the present conflict and causing lots of deaths and misery in the region.

The call to ceasefire has fallen on deaf ears and the Western Coalition of nations pledging support for Israel's war campaign continues.

Yet a ceasefire could avert a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza strip and much more deaths. This is mercy and the humane thing to do.

But are countries choosing to be "Politically Correct" and avoiding the fear of being branded "Anti-Semitist" by supporting Israel's war campaign that is killing scores of innocent people everyday than save thousands of lives?

OR Palestinian lives do not matter?

Does Anti-Anti-Semitism now means only Israeli lives matter, anybody else don't??

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this isn't some childish tit for tat (eg you kill over 1,300 of our people and take 200 hostages so we do the same to you, there we're even.)

A 5 year old thinks that way.

War in general, especially when speaking of a defensive war such as Israel is now forced to engage, is about stopping future aggression.

Hamas won't stop. Period. They have stated so publicly on multiple occasions and their actions follow those proclamations.

Hamas doesn't care about actual Palestinian lives - Hamas is merely using them as pawns in their game - and it's detrimental to everyone concerned - Israeli and Palestinian alike.

The only way to stop this is to decisively, and permanently, take Hamas out of power in Gaza.

For Hamas, dead Palestinians are useful idiots to put on the nightly news in a campaign of propaganda... So Hamas themselves are perfectly happy to stack them up like cordwood.

Hence weapons depots and military headquarters under hospitals, schools and places of worship. This should disgust even the worst of us.

Israel being the greater military power of the two has a responsibility, an actual responsibility I would claim before God, to do whatever it takes to end this forever.

That is ultimately what will save lives in the long run, even if hundred thousands die now. Later, people will finally get to know peace.

Anyone not working for a two state solution is an enemy to all Israelis and Palestinians, present and future.

But Israel - they are the only ones in the right today. They need to finish this. It's our responsibility to support them while they do.

As a besides I get confused about this whole "anti-Semitic" thing when both sides are Semites... Lol perhaps in the future you could try being more clear here. .

 

[ralliann]

How can you possibly know this? You appear to be simply assuming that support for Palestinians equates to support with Hamas.

This is incorrect logic.

Palestinians Support Hamas. They put them in power.