Israel-Hamas Thread II

[essentialsaltes]

South Africa files ICJ case accusing Israel of 'genocidal acts'​

The UN court confirmed the application concerning alleged violations of Israel's obligations under the Genocide Convention.

The 84-page document states that the "acts and omissions by Israel" are "genocidal in character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group".

South Africa previously filed a referral to a different court, the International Criminal Court (ICC), relating to alleged war crimes by Israel in Gaza. The ICC investigates and tries individuals charged with genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. Israel does not recognise the ICC.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What I mean't was you don't care about what they are doing. You are focused on other stuff..

What it means is that I do care when you try to make a point with false representations. Those children weren't carrying weapons and weren't "child soldiers", using them as an illustration of armed children was a misrepresentation.

 

[rjs330]

Shame on anyone who does this with children. And shame on anyone who uses this to imply that children are then valid targets.

I agree and this just goes to show the depravity of man. This is the HISTORY of the world which teaches their own to hate each other, to make war, to fight and to harm. It will never stop. It because everyone chooses darkness rather than light and some choose the darkest darkness. And kids are the victims of it while at the same time being willing to accept it. The kids are born to accept the indoctrination of the adults. Who accepted it from their elders in down through the generations.

It's interesting how we can see this and yet not see this. We can see it in one area but not in others. The depravity of man is in full display. And has been since the beginning of time.

 

[Bradskii]

We are still waiting for your definition of a "child". When you get around to posting that info, do let us know the why the size of the child makes a difference.

Gee, I dunno. Maybe all the kids with guns in the pictures that you and others have posted can be a guide. Maybe we can agree on a height. You know: 'You have to the THIS high to operate a rocket launcher.' Any kid taller can then be considered a valid target. Maybe the death toll can be divided up into age, weight and height and we can calculate a Validity Factor. If the kid's VF is over a particular threshold then it's 'Yay, we got one'. If it's under then 'Oops. Sorry about that'.

What's the current number? 21,000? Gosh, 11,000 sounds pretty good now, doesn't it.

 

[Bradskii]

I agree and this just goes to show the depravity of man.

The part of the post you chose to highlight and with which you have just agreed said this this: 'And shame on anyone who uses this to imply that children are then valid targets.'

You have a duty to call out those who do this.

 

[Philip_B]

You have a duty to call out those who do this.

We all have a duty to call out those who do this.

 

[Pommer]

Who is doing this? Don't stick your head in the sand. It isnt shame on me, it is shame on them . How twisted are you to blame me for this. Shame on you sir, SHAME ON YOU.
THIS IS THEIR CHILD ABUSE. NOT MINE,NOT ISRAEL.
They raped, chopped off babies heads, burned them alive when they attacked Israel. Why on EARTH DO YOU THINK THIS IS anyone else's fault what these people do?

There are no “good guys” at this present time.
Trying to champion one side over the other as such is going to lead one into waters fraught with danger.

 

[rjs330]

The part of the post you chose to highlight and with which you have just agreed said this this: 'And shame on anyone who uses this to imply that children are then valid targets.'

You have a duty to call out those who do this.

The only group who targeted children is Hamas.

 

[Bradskii]

The only group who targeted children is Hamas.

I'm talking about forum members who insinuate that children can be valid targets. That they are not all 'innocent'. Please don't pretend otherwise. You agreed to this.

'Shame on anyone who does this with children. And shame on anyone who uses this to imply that children are then valid targets.'

 

[rjs330]

I'm talking about forum members who insinuate that children can be valid targets. That they are not all 'innocent'. Please don't pretend otherwise. You agreed to this.

'Shame on anyone who does this with children. And shame on anyone who uses this to imply that children are then valid targets.'

What age are you talking about? A child can be anyone 0-17. Do you have anyone in that age range that could be a legitimate target?

 

[Bradskii]

What age are you talking about? A child can be anyone 0-17. Do you have anyone in that age range that could be a legitimate target?

No non combatent is a legitimate target. But you've seen the pictures posted. Of children with guns. You should ask those who posted them.

Actually not. You shouldn't ask them anything. You should berate them for doing so. You agreed it shouldn't be done. So call it out.

 

[Valletta]

I provided a strategy that didn't require Israel to stop going after Hamas and has been successful in defeating terrorist groups in the past, but you were unwilling to accept such an idea.


Israel isn't defeating Hamas; what they have been doing up to this point has been helping Hamas. I explained why in this post back on October 12th, when I said that with every Palistinian child, brother, sister, father, mother, or grandparent that is killed by Isreali forces, another potential terrorist is born. It's a matter of counter-insurgency mathematics. Israel has ignored this principle and will have a heavy price to pay going forward with a growing number of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers on its borders and a continuation of terror attacks against its citizens, perhaps bigger than what was seen on October 7th, for at least a generation. Israel's poorly thought-out response and overreaction to the October 7th terrorist attack has not only made Israel less safe but also much of the world.

Hamas' recent battle cry for violence against US latest in litany of threats

Since its founding, Hamas has made threats against the U.S. The group is accused of killing over 30 Americans in the October 7 massacre in Israel as well as taking the lives of Americans during suicide bombing attacks in Israel.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Laodicean60]

The tragedy of war! 20K Palestinians killed not sure how many Israelis but wouldn't UN peacekeepers stationed there would have prevented this?

70 Percent of Gaza Homes Destroyed, Stunning Before/After Images

After 29,000 bombs dropped, about 70% of homes and half of all buildings are in ruins.

mishtalk.com

 

[o_mlly]

Gee, I dunno.

(Clipped to only display the informative part of the post.)
Do you know why you "dunno" how to define a "child" in a warzone?

 

[Valletta]

But it is wildly problematic to read any meaning into one orchestrated moment of release when hostages were still under Hamas control. In these politically precarious times, our social media landscapes have transformed into virtual war zones. It’s imperative to acknowledge that every hostage release serves as a carefully curated photo opportunity for Hamas, and for us to understand what the accurate experience of hostages in these circumstances is.

Opinion: I’m a former hostage. What I thought when I saw Hamas release captives

As someone who knows the torment of being a hostage in Iran, I hope another release doesn’t see social media isn’t once again awash in pro-Hamas propaganda suggesting that the kidnapped Israelis were treated well, writes Ana Diamond.

www.yahoo.com

 

[o_mlly]

But it is wildly problematic to read any meaning into one orchestrated moment of release when hostages were still under Hamas control. In these politically precarious times, our social media landscapes have transformed into virtual war zones. It’s imperative to acknowledge that every hostage release serves as a carefully curated photo opportunity for Hamas, and for us to understand what the accurate experience of hostages in these circumstances is.

Opinion: I’m a former hostage. What I thought when I saw Hamas release captives

As someone who knows the torment of being a hostage in Iran, I hope another release doesn’t see social media isn’t once again awash in pro-Hamas propaganda suggesting that the kidnapped Israelis were treated well, writes Ana Diamond.

www.yahoo.com

Thanks for the link. The author provides the answer that our interlocutor is unwilling to post.

But those professing moral integrity must resist the temptation to engage in shallow comparisons based solely on numbers. Accepting and sympathizing with one group’s suffering does not negate the other – although the devastation and rage we feel, fueled by online misinformation and live-streamed deaths, may often cloud our ability to see to this truth.​

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Reflexive empathy allows one to wallow in their feelings and cloud their reason. The symptom that betrays this flawed attitude of extreme empathy is usually their claim of moral superiority to all others who try to think as well as feel.

 

[rjs330]

No non combatent is a legitimate target. But you've seen the pictures posted. Of children with guns. You should ask those who posted them.

Actually not. You shouldn't ask them anything. You should berate them for doing so. You agreed it shouldn't be done. So call it out.

I have. Iv been against Hamas doing that from day one.

And if Israel did it I would call them out as well. So far that I've seen they haven't done that.

 

[rjs330]

The tragedy of war! 20K Palestinians killed not sure how many Israelis but wouldn't UN peacekeepers stationed there would have prevented this?

70 Percent of Gaza Homes Destroyed, Stunning Before/After Images

After 29,000 bombs dropped, about 70% of homes and half of all buildings are in ruins.

mishtalk.com

I don't think the Palestinians would have supported having UN troops there.

 

[rjs330]

But you've seen the pictures posted. Of children with guns. You should ask those who posted them.

Actually not. You shouldn't ask them anything. You should berate them for doing so.

Why should I berate someone for showing truth?

 

[Laodicean60]

I don't think the Palestinians would have supported having UN troops there.

I don't know but this idea is a little late.