A Rapture Causes the Great Tribulation

[oikonomia]

They wage war against Satan and his angels, as the seventh angel sounding is their signal from God to do so.

Why does this mean it cannot be that the overoming saints petition and even command God to do so?
Man was CREATED to express God in His image and exercise dominion on His behalf in harmony with Him (Gen. 1:26,27)

You see SOME prevail to be recovered to this mandate as overcomers - the stronger component of the larger body of His people.

That is the principle of the stronger man-child in the woman of all God's people in history.

The promises of asking and receiving is not for just all individualistic trivial things but for great things like God's will being
done on earth even as it is in heaven.

If you abide in Me and My words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you. (John 15:7)

 

[Douggg]

You must see that in the warfare between God and Satan, Satan undergoes successive stages of more and more limitation.
Down . . . down . . . down .... down . . . and finally into the eternal fire prepared for him and his angels.

1.) In heaven all the time TO
2.) Being limited to only visit heaven to accuser before God TO
3.) being permenanttly expelled even from that function TO
4.) limitation to the surface of the earth only for a short time TO
5.) shut up for 1,000 years in the prison of the bottomless pit TO
6,) his final destination the lake of fire.

You see each stage is a strategic set back to Satan

I agree. Good analysis.

 

[Lost Witness]

As someone who just started his walk really (not even sure I can call it that)
Watching things unfold and waiting to be raptured away is a distraction.
These things will happen in the LORD'S time.
Can't finish the race I'm running if I'm too focused on the end game and not on moving forward
Just a personal view of my own walk.

 

[keras]

If kept safe from the beast, then why are they are martyred for refusing to take the mark, for refusing to worship the beast, for refusing to worship his image? Revelation 20:4

I have shown several times how the Christian peoples will be divided into 2 groups. Zechariah 14:2 and Daniel 11:32, reinforce this truth. The destiny of those two groups is in Revelation 12: one taken to a place of safety for the final 1260 days and the other remaining in the Holy Land, under the control of the 'beast', for his 42 month period of authority over the world. Rev 13:5-8

Spare the lectures and work on some timeline charts instead. Start with Daniel 9:27.

I warn you for promoting false theories and fables. I do not wish to see anyone receive Judgment for their wrong teaching.
As for 'charts', yours are so patently wrong, that the whole idea of a chart, is discredited. I have posted a list of the end time events in their correct, Biblical and logical order. You and most others, seem incapable of comprehending it.

Isn't it logical that the first half of a peace treaty, Daniel 9:27, will be peaceful? Only at the mid point, will it be broken by the conquest of the holy peoples in the Holy Land, take place. Then ALL the things Prophesied for the final 1260 days, or 42 months and the 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns, will happen as described.

 

[oikonomia]

As someone who just started his walk really (not even sure I can call it that)
Watching things unfold and waiting to be raptured away is a distraction.

Congradulations on your new walk with the Lord Jesus.

But you have too passive a view of waiting for rapture. The fact oof the matter is we are caught away
from many negative things by walking with the Lord.

The "watching" there means setting the mind on the Spirit of Jesus in our human spirit where there is victory, life, and peace.

That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
For those who are according to the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but those who are according to the spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace. (Rom. 8:4-6)

You see the "watching" for sudden coming of the Lord for you is walking with God as a habitual lifestyle.
This is profitable to the Christians regardless of his view of raptured.

For Enoch to be taken was because he obtained the testimony of one walking with God. This daily and even moment by moment living
unto God was "well pleasing" to God.

By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For before his translation he obtained the testimony that he had been well pleasing to God. (Heb. 11:5)

So do not have a passive attitude about the Lord Jesus saying "Watch."
It entails watching to live in the Spirit instead of living in the old man with its old nature.

These things will happen in the LORD'S time.
Can't finish the race I'm running if I'm too focused on the end game and not on moving forward
Just a personal view of my own walk.

The exhortation proves that in doing legitimate daily activities you are enjoying the Lord's presence.
This is actively running the race to enjoy God rather than living in the self.

You see this is a win / win lifestyle of spiritual victory. Watching does not mean passively unfruitfully neglegience of
setting the mind on the Holy Spirit.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Rom. 8:14)

Now read again Matthew 24:40-42 in this light and see if it makes more practical sense.

At that time two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left.
Two women will be grinding at the mill; one is taken and one is left.
Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord comes.

This equivalent kind of exhortation should clarify what WATCHING is meant:

Look therefore carefully how you walk, not as unwise, but as wise,
Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissoluteness, but be filled in spirit, (Eph. 5:15-18)

 

[keras]

And how does it contradict the preaching of the gospel to all the world?
I don't see your "slam dunk" debunking of removal of overcoming disciples from the earth.

If the faithful disciples are removed from the earth, they can no longer preach the Gospel.
The so called 'left behind'? Who have to be the unfaithful and the takers of the mark of the 'beast'.

I have no problem with God fulfilling promise to bring scattered Israelites back to the Holy Land.
But a promise to bring all Christians there ?

When Jesus says that the meek shall inherit the earth (Matt. 5:5) do you think that
only means the geographic Israel ?

Bible Prophecy plainly says they will be Gods righteous and faithful peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 7:9 ALL the Christians, who will be the people God always wanted in the Holy Land, but has never yet had.

The 'meek', that is all the people who have renounced self and put Jesus foremost in their lives, will eventually inherit the whole earth, for the Millennium and then the new earth; for Eternity. But before Jesus Returns, we Christian people will inherit all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.

Do you believe the co-reigning overcomers who reign for 1,000 years (Rev. 20) are restricted to the geographic Israel?

Obviously; King Jesus will reign over the whole earth for the Millennium. Those who have proved their faith by standing firm during all that must happen, will be His priests and co-rulers.

I don't see why that should contradict His promise to catch away some ready, watching, living in the Spirit for a
pre-tribulation rapture.

This is the crux of the matter. There simply is no scripture which Promises a pre-trib rapture.
Three times, we are told we must endure until the end. Some will be taken to a place of safety on earth, pre-trib, but most must endure until Jesus Returns. At which time, He will gather His people to Him, in a kind of a rapture, a 'harparzo' thru the atmosphere to Jerusalem.

That physical temple in Jerusalem is a type of the reality of the house of God, the temple of God the church.

That there must be a physical Temple in Jerusalem during the end times, is proved by 2 Thess 2:4
We Christians will build it, as we live in the Holy Land, proved by many clearly stated Prophesies. Isaiah 65:9, Jeremiah 8:10

 

[Douggg]

I have shown several times how the Christian peoples will be divided into 2 groups. Zechariah 14:2 and Daniel 11:32, reinforce this truth. The destiny of those two groups is in Revelation 12: one taken to a place of safety for the final 1260 days and the other remaining in the Holy Land, under the control of the 'beast', for his 42 month period of authority over the world. Rev 13:5-8

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 to flee to the mountains, not (to get on planes and fly) to flee to another part of the world.

In your post solar devastation event scenario, you have a billion or so Christians moving to the depopulated land of Israel, and building a new nation called Beulah. How are there going to be enough planes to transport such a large population to another part of the world?

Do you think the beast-king is just going to stand by and let that happen?

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On my chart below, I show the AoD setup on Day 1185. There still will be 75 days left in the 1260 days of the two witnesses' testimony time.

During those 75 days, as the Jews are fleeing to the mountains, the two witnesses will be battling the beast-king, keeping him occupied as the Jews are fleeing.

After 75 days, the beast-king will overcome the two witnesses and kill them, Revelation 11:7.

The beast-king will then be able to block the Jews from fleeing. And that remnant of the woman, Israel, will be vulnerable to the persecution of Satan in Revelation 12:17.

 

[oikonomia]

If the faithful disciples are removed from the earth, they can no longer preach the Gospel.
The so called 'left behind'? Who have to be the unfaithful and the takers of the mark of the 'beast'.

I want to stay with my OP. Many, many other issues can be discussed.
This time of the great tribulation is a time of transition from one dispensation to another.

The gospel preached during those days is by an angel supernaturally in the air.
And the contents of that gospel called "the eternal gospel" is one to fear God the Creator.
It is announced from the air by angelic voices to neutralize the threat of Antichrist to worship him as God.

This is in Revelation 14:6,7 -
And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an eternal gospel to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give Him glory because the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who has made heaven and earth and the sea and the springs of waters.

The "eternal gospel" which will be preached during the great tribulation (Matt. 24:21) differs from the gospel of grace (Acts 20:24)
preached in the church age. The basic contents of the gospel of grace is repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus (Acts 20:21)
that men may be forgiven of their sins and born again as children of God (Luke 24:47, John 1:12).

The "eternal gospel" is that men should "fear God" and that they may not be deceived to follow Antichrist but be brought back to the genuine worship of God the Creator of the universe. By that time the Creator God will be turning upside down the fores of nature as only God can do.
This Creator God "Who has made the heaven and the earth" is to be feared RATHER than Antichrist who proclaims that he is god.
This proclamation is made from the air supernaturally by an angel. And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an eternal gospel . . .

At the close of the age this "eternal gospel" that God alone is the Creator who is about to judge is mainly proclaimed bythe angel.
It should remind us of Romans 1:18-20 that human beings should be without excuse to not believe in God the Creator.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold down the truth in unrighteousness, Because that which is known of God is manifest within them, for God manifested it to them.

For the invisible things of Him, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being perceived by the things made, so that they would be without excuse;

The terrible effect of Antichrist and his false prophet calls for the announcement of an angel to not be duped to worship Antichrist as god.
Rather He who made the the heaven and the earth is demonstrating in the cosmos that He alone is God.

Men who are forgiven sinners redeemed by grace are priviledged to preach the gospel of grace.
During the great trbulation the main preaching will be from the air angelically to fear God the eternal Creator.

"Fear God and give Him glory" is a commandment given to the earth's dwellers countering the deceit of the false prophet that men should follow Antichrist and the threat of death for any who would not worship him during the great tribulation (Rev. 13:14-15).

Obviously; King Jesus will reign over the whole earth for the Millennium. Those who have proved their faith by standing firm during all that must happen, will be His priests and co-rulers.

We were told that concerning the corporate group of the man-child who is to shepherd the nations with an iron rod with Christ.

And she brought forth a son, a man-child, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. (Rev. 12:5)

I am surely repeating now. Co-reigning with Christ is a reward. And pre-tribulation rapture of some sleeping and some then living is ALSO a reward.

The promise to be kept h=out of the hour of world wide trial accomapanies the promise that before the overcomers a door
to the kingdom age has been opened which no one can shut.

And to the messenger of the church in Philadelphia write: These things says the Holy One, the true One, the One who has the key of David, the One who opens and no one will shut, and shuts and no one opens:

I know your works; behold, I have put before you an opened door which no one can shut, because you have a little power and have kept My word and have not denied My name. (Rev. 3:7,8)

And with this the promise of pre-great tribulation rapture to these victors.

Because you have kept the word of My endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial, which is about to come on the whole inhabited earth, to try them who dwell on the earth.

I come quickly; hold fast what you have that no one take your crown. (vs. 10,11)

You agreed earlier about the overcoming saints being the builded church which consummates in the New Jerusalem.
Well here is also the promise that they are solidly built into the living temple of the church and will go OUT no more.
They become human transformed "pillars" in God's living house.

He who overcomes, him I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall by no means go out anymore, and I will write upon him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
(v. 12)

 

[keras]

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 to flee to the mountains, not (to get on planes and fly) to flee to another part of the world.

And I see that part of Jesus' Prophecy as fulfilled in 69 AD.

In your post solar devastation event scenario, you have a billion or so Christians moving to the depopulated land of Israel, and building a new nation called Beulah. How are there going to be enough planes to transport such a large population to another part of the world?

A further demonstration of your inability to read and understand Bible Prophecy.
After Jesus has used His winnowing fork on the Christians, Matthew 3:12, there will maybe only a few million people who will pass the test of fire, 1 Peter 4:12, and will be motivated to migrate to the Holy Land. By whatever means available. Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107

It will be an especially difficult time for those who fondly imagined they would be raptured away.

The 'beast' will not be revealed for at least another 5 or 6 years after the Sixth Seal.

I show the AoD setup on Day 1185. There still will be 75 days left in the 1260 days of the two witnesses' testimony time.

Your idea of the extra days, as prophesied in Daniel 12, happening before the mid point of the final 7 years, is wrong.
Jesus will Return exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated, 2 Thess 2:4, on the day of Tabernacles Feast, 30 days later - Atonement is made, Then 75 days after the Return, the Temple will be rededicated.
Proved by Daniel 12:12 Happy are those who live to see the completion of the 1335 days! You have the people being happy when the AoD is set up. Do you think Daniel meant: the ungodly people will be happy?
Please address this, instead of your usual glossing over proofs of your errors.

 

[keras]

I want to stay with my OP. Many, many other issues can be discussed.
This time of the great tribulation is a time of transition from one dispensation to another.

The gospel preached during those days is by an angel supernaturally in the air.
And the contents of that gospel called "the eternal gospel" is one to fear God the Creator.
It is announced from the air by angelic voices to neutralize the threat of Antichrist to worship him as God.

This is in Revelation 14:6,7 -
And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an eternal gospel to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give Him glory because the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who has made heaven and earth and the sea and the springs of waters.

The "eternal gospel" which will be preached during the great tribulation (Matt. 24:21) differs from the gospel of grace (Acts 20:24)
preached in the church age. The basic contents of the gospel of grace is repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus (Acts 20:21)
that men may be forgiven of their sins and born again as children of God (Luke 24:47, John 1:12).

The "eternal gospel" is that men should "fear God" and that they may not be deceived to follow Antichrist but be brought back to the genuine worship of God the Creator of the universe. By that time the Creator God will be turning upside down the fores of nature as only God can do.
This Creator God "Who has made the heaven and the earth" is to be feared RATHER than Antichrist who proclaims that he is god.
This proclamation is made from the air supernaturally by an angel. And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an eternal gospel . . .

At the close of the age this "eternal gospel" that God alone is the Creator who is about to judge is mainly proclaimed bythe angel.
It should remind us of Romans 1:18-20 that human beings should be without excuse to not believe in God the Creator.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold down the truth in unrighteousness, Because that which is known of God is manifest within them, for God manifested it to them.

For the invisible things of Him, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being perceived by the things made, so that they would be without excuse;

The terrible effect of Antichrist and his false prophet calls for the announcement of an angel to not be duped to worship Antichrist as god.
Rather He who made the the heaven and the earth is demonstrating in the cosmos that He alone is God.

Men who are forgiven sinners redeemed by grace are priviledged to preach the gospel of grace.
During the great trbulation the main preaching will be from the air angelically to fear God the eternal Creator.

"Fear God and give Him glory" is a commandment given to the earth's dwellers countering the deceit of the false prophet that men should follow Antichrist and the threat of death for any who would not worship him during the great tribulation (Rev. 13:14-15).


We were told that concerning the corporate group of the man-child who is to shepherd the nations with an iron rod with Christ.

And she brought forth a son, a man-child, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. (Rev. 12:5)

I am surely repeating now. Co-reigning with Christ is a reward. And pre-tribulation rapture of some sleeping and some then living is ALSO a reward.

The promise to be kept h=out of the hour of world wide trial accomapanies the promise that before the overcomers a door
to the kingdom age has been opened which no one can shut.

And to the messenger of the church in Philadelphia write: These things says the Holy One, the true One, the One who has the key of David, the One who opens and no one will shut, and shuts and no one opens:

I know your works; behold, I have put before you an opened door which no one can shut, because you have a little power and have kept My word and have not denied My name. (Rev. 3:7,8)

And with this the promise of pre-great tribulation rapture to these victors.

Because you have kept the word of My endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial, which is about to come on the whole inhabited earth, to try them who dwell on the earth.

I come quickly; hold fast what you have that no one take your crown. (vs. 10,11)

You agreed earlier about the overcoming saints being the builded church which consummates in the New Jerusalem.
Well here is also the promise that they are solidly built into the living temple of the church and will go OUT no more.
They become human transformed "pillars" in God's living house.

He who overcomes, him I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall by no means go out anymore, and I will write upon him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
(v. 12)

Where is that dumpster when its needed?
Please take this as our private joke. Your replies are unnecessarily wordy.

This time of the great tribulation is a time of transition from one dispensation to another.

When Jesus Returns, the transition happens.
The GT is the punishment of the ungodly, who refuse to repent., Revelation 16:11

 

[oikonomia]

Where is that dumpster when its needed?
Please take this as our private joke. Your replies are unnecessarily wordy.

The Bible is not always easy to understand. And not all things can be explained in twenty five words or less.
You do the same thing. Some reading along may appreciate a little more necessary detailed explanation.

When Jesus Returns, the transition happens.
The GT is the punishment of the ungodly, who refuse to repent., Revelation 16:11

I definitely agree. It is also a time of Satan's wrath against God's elect and Christians.

I teach that the pre-tribulation rapture is selective and partial. It is conditional.
Others reading may appreciate the "wordiness" of the reasoning.

If you want to argue with me this you should remember - selective rapture, not the entire number of believers.
So there are the majority of Christians left. This is from both the deceased and the then living.

Incidently, way back when I recall you (I believe) saying something about the judgement of religious Babylon
must take place before the second coming of Christ.

The raptured ones in heaven in Revelation 19 rejoice for that reason, the degraded Christiandom has been judged
at the beginning of the 1,260 days. Now you don't like wordiness so I will simply provide the verses without further explanation
unless you want.

Revelation 19:1-3 -
After these things I heard as it were a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Hallelujah! The salvation and the glory and the power are of our God. For true and righteous are His judgments; for He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and He avenged the blood of His slaves at her hand. And a second time they said, Hallelujah! And her smoke goes up forever and ever.

 

[oikonomia]

Where is that dumpster when its needed?
Please take this as our private joke.

I get the private joke.
If we don't see these things as dead serious now we will latter.

You commented about the gospel preaching during the GT.
It could be that the persecution is SO severe that one cannot get a hold of a New Testament then.

Christians (whether left or become Christians during)
and theistic Jews will be outcast as public enemies, evil nuisances to the state.

 

[oikonomia]

I agree. Good analysis.

If you can agree that Satan is progressively losing ground piece by piece
see then if this makes sense.

The corporate man-child gaining a strategic advantage over Satan is only normal.
God created man to express His glory and have dominion over the creeping things.

The group of overcoming believers are not above the original standard but simply at the expected original standard - a testimony of normality. That is normal according to God's original ordination that man guard His interests on earth.

And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of heaven and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. (Gen. 1:27)

 

[oikonomia]

The church is not in Revelation 12. Revelation 12 is about what will happen to the Jews, Israel during the end times 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

I appreciate your studying of Daniel.
Do you have something against God revealing a part of prophecy in Daniel and revealing something more centuries latter to John in Revelation?

 

[Douggg]

And I see that part of Jesus' Prophecy as fulfilled in 69 AD.

No, Matthew 24:15-21 is clearly time of the end.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus will Return exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated, 2 Thess 2:4, on the day of Tabernacles Feast, 30 days later - Atonement is made, Then 75 days after the Return, the Temple will be rededicated.
Proved by Daniel 12:12 Happy are those who live to see the completion of the 1335 days! You have the people being happy when the AoD is set up. Do you think Daniel meant: the ungodly people will be happy?
Please address this, instead of your usual glossing over proofs of your errors.

Daniel 12:11-12 is about the abomination of desolation, a statue image setup
Daniel 8:12-13 is about the transgression of desolation, an act carried out.

2Thessalonians2:4 is an act carried out by the Antichrist. It is the transgression of desolation. Not the abomination of desolation.

The abomination of desolation comes after the transgression of desolation. Committing the transgression of desolation is what will get the revealed man of sin killed (Ezekiel 28:1-10). Then he is brought back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20 to become the beast.

As the beast-king (because the ten EU leaders in Revelation 17:17 will hand their EU kingdom over to him), the false prophet will have a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount.

Which that statue image will be the abomination of desolation. Setup on Day 1185 of the 2520 days 7 years.

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Daneil 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. kjv

It is obviously talking about great tribulation saints who will have put their trust in Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

I appreciate your studying of Daniel.
Do you have something against God revealing a part of prophecy in Daniel and revealing something more centuries latter to John in Revelation?

You have heard of a BLT sandwich, right ?

I use those same letters to encourage myself all the time - BLT... as food for the soul.

Believe God
Love God
Trust God

No-one is as wise as God, so the thought you have expressed has never ever entered my mind.

 

[oikonomia]

You have heard of a BLT sandwich, right ?

Good morning. And praise the Lord to you.
Yes, I have heard of a BLT sandwich.

I use those same letters to encourage myself all the time - BLT... as food for the soul.

Believe God
Love God
Trust God

No-one is as wise as God, so the thought you have expressed has never ever entered my mind.

Yes, I agree that it is paramount to Believe, and to Love, and to Trust in our God. Amen.

I am willing to help in any area you find too "different" to consider as true.
Mostly, I mean related to my OP.

And if you just can't believe something I wrote, I wish to make sure you understand what it is that you can't believe.

 

[keras]

The raptured ones in heaven in Revelation 19 rejoice for that reason, the degraded Christiandom has been judged
at the beginning of the 1,260 days. Now you don't like wordiness so I will simply provide the verses without further explanation
unless you want.

Revelation 19:1-3 -
After these things I heard as it were a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Hallelujah! The salvation and the glory and the power are of our God. For true and righteous are His judgments; for He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and He avenged the blood of His slaves at her hand. And a second time they said, Hallelujah! And her smoke goes up forever and ever.

The problem with this assertion, is that those who cry out are not raptured people, but those Christians martyred for their faith. All those since Stephen. They thank God for avenging their blood.
They are described in Revelation 6:9-11 and are the souls of dead people, whom God allows to cry out at times.

If we don't see these things as dead serious now we will latter.

The Prophetic Word is a very serious matter for everyone alive today. We are the generation who will see it all.

You commented about the gospel preaching during the GT.
It could be that the persecution is SO severe that one cannot get a hold of a New Testament then.

Christians (whether left or become Christians during)
and theistic Jews will be outcast as public enemies, evil nuisances to the state.

Those Christians who must remain in the Holy Land, Revelation 12:17, will realize their mistake; why they have to stay while their brethren are taken to safety. They will know their Eternal life depends on their refusal to take the mark of the 'beast' and will keep their faith unto death.

The Jews, other than a Christian remnant, will be no more. Isaiah 4:3-4

 

[keras]

No, Matthew 24:15-21 is clearly time of the end.

I see it as a dual Prophecy.

Daniel 12:11-12 is about the abomination of desolation, a statue image setup
Daniel 8:12-13 is about the transgression of desolation, an act carried out.

2Thessalonians2:4 is an act carried out by the Antichrist. It is the transgression of desolation. Not the abomination of desolation.

The abomination of desolation comes after the transgression of desolation. Committing the transgression of desolation is what will get the revealed man of sin killed (Ezekiel 28:1-10). Then he is brought back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20 to become the beast.

As the beast-king (because the ten EU leaders in Revelation 17:17 will hand their EU kingdom over to him), the false prophet will have a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount.

Which that statue image will be the abomination of desolation. Setup on Day 1185 of the 2520 days 7 years.

I disagree, because to place those extra days before the 1260 days, requires a specific scripture, not speculation, as you do.
Also when you talk about the European Union having anything to do with Bible Prophecy, your theories are immediately suspect.

Daneil 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. kjv

It is obviously talking about great tribulation saints who will have put their trust in Jesus.

Yes, ALL the people who go with Jesus into the Millennium.