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Tribulation has been ongoing since the birth of Christianity. At varying degrees.
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The place prepared of God in Revelation 12:6 is the land of Israel. The Jews at the end of WWII returned to the land of Israel to escape the attempts by Satan to destroy them during their time of exile into the nations. Such as the holocaust of WWII.The place of safety, as Prophesied in Revelation 12:14, cannot be in the Holy Land.
The Anti-Christ 'beast' conquers Jerusalem and sits in the Temple at that time; the mid point of the final 7 years. Zechariah 14:1-2
How many of the house of Israel (Jacob) went into Egypt at the time of Jospeh? I think the number was around 70.- No conection, but a comparison. How many of GOD's people got out from Egypt and crossed the red Sea, to heir the Promised Land? Exodus 12:37 gives us a clue. Take a look and make a calculation.
Oseas, you are attacking the poster instead of the content of the post. Your comment and similar comments that you make to others in this forum is inappropriate. Stay in your lane, and just address the content of the posts by others.According to your interpretations of the Scriptures as exposed by you above, and also to your ridiculous conceptions , you have probably already been swallowed by the red Dragon, which deceiveth the whole world. Terrible
This statement displays how you straight out ignore plainly stated scripture.The church is not in Revelation 12.
This is another untrue statement. Proved by how Gods faithful people are kept safe from the 'beast', while he has world dominion. Plainly for the final 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days; before Jesus Returns.Revelation 12:6 is the first half 1260 days of the 7year 70th week of Daniel 9,
If kept safe from the beast, then why are they are martyred for refusing to take the mark, for refusing to worship the beast, for refusing to worship his image? Revelation 20:4This is another untrue statement. Proved by how Gods faithful people are kept safe from the 'beast', while he has world dominion.
I suggest you give up your promoting theories and ideas which are proved wrong and destroy any reputation you may have had.
If the man-child is not caught up to heaven the good angels would not have the ground to drive Satan DOWN.Informing (prophecy) is not the cause of the great tribulation either.
Here we see in Revelation 13:1 Satan summoning up the persecuting beast.The cause of the great tribulation is God by His judgments and wrath carried out, and on the opposite site, the persecutions by the beast-king, the false-prophet, Satan, and their followers.
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, understand? The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?How many of the house of Israel (Jacob) went into Egypt at the time of Jospeh? I think the number was around 70.
Four hundred years later, 600,000 men, not counting children, came out in the Exodus.
So I am not understanding the significance of your comparison... to the end times time, times, half time Satan will have left.
Oseas, you are attacking the poster instead of the content of the post. Your comment and similar comments that you make to others in this forum is inappropriate. Stay in your lane, and just address the content of the posts by others.
Redirect your energy into making some timeline charts of the events in Revelation 12, and other parts of Revelation. I use Corel paintshop pro as the program to make my charts. If you get it (available as a download from Amazon) and need some help let me know.
Why should Matt. 28:19-20 prove that there could be no catching away of watching Christians living in the SpiritJust simply Matthew 28:19-20, is sufficient to debunk any ideas of a removal from the earth.
Ample Prophecy confirms the truth of our going to and living in all of the Holy Land, where we Christian peoples will be Gods witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:29 and His Light to the nations; Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16
We are the peoples referred to as living peacefully, without defences. Ezekiel 38:8-12 When Gog and his vast army attack us, the Lord will destroy them, in order to show us and the world His power and glory. Ezekiel 39:21
I need time look up all the passages.These Bible passages confirm the fact that the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is some time before His glorious Return. His people, righteous Israel, every faithful Christian who believes in God and keeps His Commandments, will live there in prosperity and peace. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15
I don't see why that should contradict His promise to catch away some ready, watching, living in the Spirit for aIsaiah 66:15-24 ...the Lord coming in fire [not on a cloud, in His glory, at this time],...bringing retribution in anger.
The Lord will judge with fire and sword and test all mankind. All those unclean and wicked will die.
I see what you are saying.I will gather peoples of every tongue- they: [all Christians] will see My glory. 2 Thessalonians 1:10....revealed to His own.
I shall put a sign on [some of] those survivors and will send them to declare My glory to all the nations. [before the Return –these are the 144,000, Rev 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19
From all the world, your fellow peoples will come, on every conveyance, like offerings to the Lord. Some will become My priests. Revelation 5:10
That physical temple in Jerusalem is a type of the reality of the house of God, the temple of God the church.His Christian people will rebuild the Temple and serve in it. 1 Peter 2:9, Rev. 11:1-2 The Shekinah Glory of God will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
I intend to do some clarification that when I find it.If that is what you intended, then I think you should go back to your post and edit it to say "clothed with" instead of "of".
Michael and his angels actions will be what God tells them to do.If the man-child is not caught up to heaven the good angels would not have the ground to drive Satan DOWN.
The announcement of the third woe coming shortly is by the mighty angel of Revelation 10 that stands on the earth and sea, speaking in Revelation 11:14If Satan is not driven DOWN then there would not be the annoucement of WOE to the earth dwellers.
And the WOE has to do with Satan summoning up the Antichrist and his false prophet.
Oseas, you are attacking the poster. Just stick to the content of the discussion. The topic of this thread focuses on things written in Revelation 12.What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, understand? The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?
What does the Word of GOD say? the Word is GOD, self-execcuting: 1 Timothy 4:1-2:
1 - Now the Spirit speaketh EXPRESSLY, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
How about you answering the two questions I had asked you.Are you ready to address some specific questions I might ask you ?
And I will accept that you cannot answer one at this time as a legitimate response.
If so here is one:
In spiritual warfare do the angels usually fight for believing people of God or for disbelieving people of God?
Take as an example of what I mean the events of Jericho as compared to first Ai encounter.
This can still be all true as Daniel says and the rapture of the stronger part of the body of saints trigger Michael and the good angelsA Rapture Causes the Great Tribulation?
What does the Word of GOD say? The prophetic Daniel 12:1-3 reveal the cause of great tribulation, among other terrible and wonderful events of this current time , time of the end, as follow:
That there is a time of tribulation following the rapture of the man-child perfectly confirms this.- and there shall be a time of trouble(TRIBULATION)such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:(Mt.24:21:22.Get ready)
Remember what I just explained.- and at that time(this current time)thy people shall be delivered,every one that shall be found written in the book.(Revelation 7:1-8 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-16 and Re. 14:14-20, about the archangel Michael)
Okay. I'll do my best.How about you answering the two questions I had asked you.
1. What event ends the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14?
2. Where in Revelation is the fulfillment of what Paul said in Romans11:25-26 that once the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled then all Israel shall be saved?
My answer is Jesus's return, because the time, times, half time in Revelation 12 is the short amount of time Satan will have left once he and his angels are cast down to earth. When Jesus returns, in Revelation 20, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.
Douggg said:
2. Where in Revelation is the fulfillment of what Paul said in Romans11:25-26 that once the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled then all Israel shall be saved?
They wage war against Satan and his angels, as the seventh angel sounding is their signal from God to do so.How about God tells them to wage war against Satan and his angels BECAUSE the man-child has been raptured and REQUESTS that of God ?
You must see that in the warfare between God and Satan, Satan undergoes successive stages of more and more limitation.My answer is Jesus's return, because the time, times, half time in Revelation 12 is the short amount of time Satan will have left once he and his angels are cast down to earth. When Jesus returns, in Revelation 20, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.