FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[prodromos]

While a definitive flat earth map is not yet in the public domain, the azimuth equidistant projection sufficiently conveys the geographical issues associated with southern flights. Currently, those issues are dealt with by stopovers or jet stream acquisition, the latter being explained in that last video which you did not watch to the end.

The non stop flights between Sydney and Johannesburg or Sydney and Santiago go in both directions and are only assisted by the jet stream in one direction. So no, those issues are not dealt with at all and continue to be impossible on a flat earth. Your model cannot explain what happens on a regular basis, therefore your model is false. Thank you for playing.

 

[Michael Snow]

I hear a lot of Christians saying that we live on a flat earth and nobody can go in or out the earth. Is the Bible clear on this subject?

The flat earth Christians build their 'theology' on one word, "firmament" (which is a bad translation, see Theological Wordbook of Old Testament, Moody)
And then they reject the veracity of clear verses of Scripture. (At its root, the flat earth delusion is demonic)
Faithful Witnesses: The Resurrection, and The Moon Landings

 

[rambot]

He does, as i see everyday (well when it is not cloudy) the sun moving over the earth and that the sun, moon and stars are placed in the raqia (sky,dome)

How can something be both placed and moving over? The Bible CLEARLY says placed. Why are they moving? The Bible doesn't say anything about them MOVING.

 

[d taylor]

How can something be both placed and moving over? The Bible CLEARLY says placed. Why are they moving? The Bible doesn't say anything about them MOVING.

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in the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.

 

[rambot]

But the sun isn't a horse.

See, trying to turn on and off the "literal Bible" button really doesn't work very well.

 

[Lost4words]

But the sun isn't a horse.

See, trying to turn on and off the "literal Bible" button really doesn't work very well.

Bad interpretation of scripture too!

 

[d taylor]

This is the next deception globe earth believers will have to look forward to, houses on the moon.

 

[Lost4words]

This is the next deception globe earth believers will have to look forward to, houses on the moon.

Have you put a deposit down on one yet?

 

[essentialsaltes]

The Spilhaus 'Ocean' projection would be a good flat earth map for some Southern Hemisphere flights, and also transatlantic flights from New York to Europe, but not so convenient for New York to Los Angeles.

But what if you rolled it up into a 3D shape...

 

[Lost4words]

The Spilhaus 'Ocean' projection would be a good flat earth map for some Southern Hemisphere flights, and also transatlantic flights from New York to Europe, but not so convenient for New York to Los Angeles.

But what if you rolled it up into a 3D shape...

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Flat earthers map is fictional. It doesnt exist. Its unscientific. Its just a cartoon map.

 

[Paul4JC]

The real ignorance of some Christians here is that the ancient Hebrew Bible taught a particular view and it was not a globe.

Even though he made the mistake of embracing science and the doctrine of accommodation, the late Dr. Michael Heiser didn't try to change the Bible to say something else but thoroughly showed what was taught.

The Ancient's Guide to the Galaxy: How the Israelites Viewed God and the Universe

God chose a specific time, place, and culture to inspire people to produce what we read in the Old Testament: the ancient Mediterranean and the ancient Near East of the second and first millennia BC. Understanding the worldview of this culture can lead to more faithful understandings of...

www.logos.com

The failure of CF to recognize such Biblical views is a sad reminder of the shallow path many Christians choose to take. CF moves these Biblical doctrines to Non-Mainstream and Controversial Science and then adds insult to injury by allowing the childish mockery and banter that goes on here. In doing so, CF shows that they approve of these "lap dogs," the "casting pearls to swine."

To take what is Biblical and reduce it to nothingness and nonsense is one of the greatest insults this site has allowed to propagate. It is a sin.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Spilhaus 'Ocean' projection would be a good flat earth map for some Southern Hemisphere flights, and also transatlantic flights from New York to Europe, but not so convenient for New York to Los Angeles.

But what if you rolled it up into a 3D shape...

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Good luck flying from LA to Chicago. There is no Chicago (or any of the Great Plains or Great Lakes region). This map obliterates much of the interior of all of the continents.

 

[prodromos]

The real ignorance of some Christians here is that the ancient Hebrew Bible taught a particular view and it was not a globe.

Creation was described in the context of the cosmology of the time. The real ignorance of some Christians here is that they insist on that cosmology as doctrine, when it was simply the framework in which the actual doctrine of "everything being created by God" was taught.

 

[rambot]

Here's one I need understanding of...

If the earth is flat why are the stars at night oriented so vastly different in Australia and Sweden on the same night?

 

[prodromos]

Here's one I need understanding of...

If the earth is flat why are the stars at night oriented so vastly different in Australia and Sweden on the same night?

Or how at dusk in Johannesburg and dawn in Sydney, people looking due South see the same stars even though they would be looking in directions 120° apart on the flat earth. Instead they see the same stars rotated 120° around the South celestial pole.

 

[Bradskii]

Or how at dusk in Johannesburg and dawn in Sydney, people looking due South see the same stars even though they would be looking in directions 120° apart on the flat earth. Instead they see the same stars rotated 120° around the South celestial pole.

And how come in London the moon is upside down as compared to Sydney?

Moon Map for Southern Hemisphere | Resources – Moon: NASA Science

Moon Map for Southern Hemisphere.

moon.nasa.gov

And why can't I see the North Star?

 

[Paul4JC]

Creation was described in the context of the cosmology of the time. The real ignorance of some Christians here is that they insist on that cosmology as doctrine, when it was simply the framework in which the actual doctrine of "everything being created by God" was taught.

Who really was/is ignorant, the ancients of some of us? Poor, dumb Moses didn't understand the universe and never used such a word (neither is such a word in the New Testament).

He didn't understand creation as intelligent scientific people do today, so he even had his days of creation mixed up. He put the creation of the earth (day 3) before the creation of the sun (day 4). That would mean the sun didn't exist before the earth. Those poor ancients? So all scripture is not God-inspired (2Ti 3:16) and Moses and other prophets were not carried along by the Holy Spirit (2Pe 1:21) He didn't just put the creation of the earth on day 3, he also made the mistake that the earth was created out of water. (Gen 1:9) and not from dust particles.

You best take some scissors and start cutting out some of these verses from your Bibles, because you really don't believe those parts.

You globetrotters can be happy to have Christians like Hugh Ross take the liberty to change the day the sun was created. How convenient!

Did God create the earth before the sun and moon?​

 

[prodromos]

Genesis puts the creation of vegetation before the creation of the sun to teach that plant life has its being and sustenance from God.

 

[prodromos]

Who really was/is ignorant, the ancients of some of us? Poor, dumb Moses didn't understand the universe and never used such a word (neither is such a word in the New Testament).

Please explain how direct flights between Sydney and Santiago or Sydney and Johannesburg exist on your 'biblical' flat earth.

 

[Bradskii]

Please explain how direct flights between Sydney and Santiago or Sydney and Johannesburg exist on your 'biblical' flat earth.

Since we've had at least two people who have flown these flights posting, it seems to have gone pretty quiet on the flat earth front.