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Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

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If all of God's righteous laws are eternal, how could there ever be a change in the law?

As to Leviticus 19:2-3:

Col 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
That's exactly correct. There is no change to the Law. No covenant was done away with for (a better one) he who has ears should hear that saying Gods plan being modified for a better one is claiming that he isn't perfect in his ways.
The voice stating this says many things that we have been wanrned against.
We listen to God and his Son period ALWAYS
A devout subject of his Master uses the script to prove the script as does as hes been shown to do by way of his Masters example.
Jesus said I came to do what my father commands of me.
Jesus satisfies Davids bloodline as King and he Did Not do away with it change a law or Covenant.
God always keeps His Word. That is consistent from day 1.
Jesus satisfies the covenant of salt with the levitical priesthood as well as he was Melchizedek the 1st priest of The Most High. He meets with Abram bring bread and wine and blessed him.
Both covenants are satisfied not modified. There are now eternally kept.
With that being said, the problem still exists 14/26 NT books having the voice that misleads.
Praise be to God and his perfect planning as he ensnares with tangled roots
 
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Those apply strictly, without the 10. The Ten commandments were part of the Mosaic Law and this has ended with Christ.

However, eternal moral principles like the respect for life and for truth are still binding. Before the Mosaic Law, in the Mosaic Law, after the Mosaic Law.
God put the Sabbath commandment inside the 10 so He considers it to be a moral issue. The fact that you don't understand His reasoning isn't an excuse to not obey Him. You're just placing your own opinions above His explicit commands. It's as if you consider your own morality greater than God's and your own ideas as more advanced than His.

I will never do that as it is pure idolatry. It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator, but to you that's no be deal as you're an evolutionist.
 
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God put the Sabbath commandment inside the 10 so He considers it to be a moral issue. The fact that you don't understand His reasoning isn't an excuse to not obey Him. You're just placing your own opinions above His explicit commands. It's as if you consider your own morality greater than God's and your own ideas as more advanced than His.

I will never do that as it is pure idolatry. It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator, but to you that's no be deal as you're an evolutionist.
Your post does not make much sense, your thoughts are jumping from place to place.

However, the Mosaic Law has ended:

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Gal 3:23-25

Including the commandment about Sabbath:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23
 
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I respect your viewpoint on that but I don't interpret Sacred Scripture such that the ten commandments are binding on Christians as a legalistic code to be rigidly applied. I interpret Sacred Scripture such that the moral precepts of the ten commandments are binding on Christians, but the law is not to be applied as a strict legalistic code as it was in the Old Testament. The specific day is a more of a ceremonial aspect of the commandment in my view, and the moral precept is that we have a duty to set aside a set time to give God the proper worship that he is worthy of. And I interpret Scripture and Sacred Tradition such that the apostles had the authority to move the particular day of worship, and that they did change it.
Interpret away as is always the way of tradition.
It won't be possible to do what God wants if your not committed and confident in belief.
When your all in, you look for everything and you go over it many times to be sure that your doing things right.
When you sent invested being meh makes interpret just fine.
Been there, understood
 
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Your post does not make much sense, your thoughts are jumping from place to place.

However, the Mosaic Law has ended:

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Gal 3:23-25

Including the commandment about Sabbath:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23
So you're now denying you're an evolutionist?
 
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Interpret away as is always the way of tradition.
It won't be possible to do what God wants if your not committed and confident in belief.
When your all in, you look for everything and you go over it many times to be sure that your doing things right.
When you sent invested being meh makes interpret just fine.
Been there, understood
You yourself could be in error, isn’t that correct?
 
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God put the Sabbath commandment inside the 10 so He considers it to be a moral issue. The fact that you don't understand His reasoning isn't an excuse to not obey Him. You're just placing your own opinions above His explicit commands. It's as if you consider your own morality greater than God's and your own ideas as more advanced than His.

I will never do that as it is pure idolatry. It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator, but to you that's no be deal as you're an evolutionist.
Realax your zealous heart ‍
That's not The Way.
 
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Nope. Why did you jump to such topic, now?

And I also eat a lot of meat and I do not believe Ellen White. To complete your worries.
It is evidence that you do not believe scripture. That is a form of idolatry in someone who says they are a Christian for it says their own opinion is of much greater value to them than God's word.
 
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It is evidence that you do not believe scripture. That is a form of idolatry in someone who says they are a Christian for it says their own opinion is of much greater value to them than God's word.
You are making no sense, again. I gave you verses that the Law and Sabbath ended. You are the one who prefers your SDA/Ellen White tradition over them.

The Mosaic Law has ended:

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."

Eph 2:15

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

2 Cor 3:7,11

Including the commandment about Sabbath:

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:18

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23
 
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So you're now denying you're an evolutionist?
I dig how you keep sourcing from that well water.
That's not the voice of the one who created all nor our Savior neither.
Your stumbling block is hearing from there and trying to prove from there.
You will never be wrong and always satisfied in your position doing that.
As long as your satisfied that works for me.
If you want to do what's right seek the The Most High through Jesus. When your right in your heart this situation doesn't exist. The Advocate makes things clear in your eyes and in your heart.
Go see your charming trickster being put in check for misrepresenting God's plan and being put in check.
Pay close attention to the entire process. Not only to him being exposed and for not keeping the commands and misleading but see him do what he says he won't do. Watch him circumcize himself and and show everyone that he's been teaching against God's plan and he will act right now. Mind that what he was teaching wrong then your consuming of now. As was designed in God's plan when Saul became Paul.
*Pay attention to all of what going on so you can see that not only Paul is wrong but see James The Just tell Paul that what he was doing (didn't happen) it was a misunderstanding. Creating a lie to cover for their church as thousands were ready to kill them because of Pauls stupidity.
Lastly make sure to watch them continue on with old vows and making sacrifices of animals... despite Jesus sacrificing himself doing away with that practice.
The Church leader (his brother) lying, allowing sacrifices and Paul...being.. Paul
Act 21:23
 
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You are making no sense, again. I gave you verses that the Law and Sabbath ended. You are the one who prefers your SDA/Ellen White tradition over them.

The Mosaic Law has ended:

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."

Eph 2:15

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

2 Cor 3:7,11

Including the commandment about Sabbath:

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:18

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23
 
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I respect your viewpoint on that but I don't interpret Sacred Scripture such that the ten commandments are binding on Christians as a legalistic code to be rigidly applied.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of Christ, which includes repenting from breaking the Sabbath. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, including keeping the 7th day holy, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example and being a Christian is about following what Christ taught.

I interpret Sacred Scripture such that the moral precepts of the ten commandments are binding on Christians, but the law is not to be applied as a strict legalistic code as it was in the Old Testament.
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of the nature of God as it does to describe aspects of the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the law (Matthew 23:23), which is because it is God's instructions for how to testify about those aspects of His nature, and aspects of His nature are the moral precepts. For instance, our good works testify about God's goodness, which is why they bring glory to Him (Matthew 7:23). Likewise, in 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3), so by following those instructions we are testifying about God's holiness, and by not following those instructions we are testifying that God is not holy.

God could give someone a list of 100 instruction how to testify about His goodness in various situations, which would allow them to extrapolate are moral principle of goodness that all of those instructions have in common, which would lead them to take actions that are examples that moral principle in accordance with those 100 instructions, even in situations that are not part of that list. Correctly understanding the moral principle of goodness will never lead us away from taking actions that are examples of that principle that were part of that list. Someone would be missing the point if they thought that they correctly understood the moral precept of love, so they no longer needed to take actions that are examples of it. Likewise, the Ten Commandments are examples of moral precepts, so you would be missing the point if you do not consider those moral precepts to be inclusive of the Ten Commandments.

The specific day is a more of a ceremonial aspect of the commandment in my view, and the moral precept is that we have a duty to set aside a set time to give God the proper worship that he is worthy of.
There is nothing about some of God's commands having ceremonial aspects that means that we can be acting morally while disobeying those commands. Morality is in regard to what ought to be done and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws according to what they think ought to be done, so for you to suggest that there are aspects of God's law that are not moral aspects is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He commanded those aspects, which is claiming to have greater moral knowledge than God.

God commanded to keep the 7th day holy, so we can either lean on our own understanding by doing something else or we can trust God with all of our heart by keeping the 7th day holy and He will make our way straight.

And I interpret Scripture and Sacred Tradition such that the apostles had the authority to move the particular day of worship, and that they did change it.
What do you think is the extent of this authority? For example, did Peter have the authority to change God's command against murder into a command to commit murder? In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him was if they taught against obeying God's law. So when God commanded to keep the 7th day holy and someone says that we shouldn't obey what God has commanded and should do something else instead, then by considering that person to be a false prophet we would be correctly acting in accordance with what God has instructed His people to do.
 
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I wouldn't accuse people of not obeying God over Sabbath. If anything urge them to enter his real Sabbath rest, not that Saturday Sabbath.
Not keeping Gods command is not obeying God period. Its not for us to be Accusers as that is Stans job description. Sab is Fri evening-Sat evening. Its been that way since God Sat on Saturday..
 
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I wouldn't accuse people of not obeying God over Sabbath. If anything urge them to enter his real Sabbath rest, not that Saturday Sabbath.
Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law commands to keep the 7th day holy (Exodus 20:8-11), so it is a sin to break the Sabbath, and we are called to repent from our sins. The 7th day is the real Sabbath rest.
 
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Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law commands to keep the 7th day holy (Exodus 20:8-11), so it is a sin to break the Sabbath, and we are called to repent from our sins. The 7th day is the real Sabbath rest.
1 J 3:4 says nothing about the Mosaic Law. And its the Mosaic Law that had the commandment about the Sabbath.

The Mosaic Law has ended, including the Sabbath commandment. Therefore, it is not a sin. And it was not a sin for Jesus to break it, either.

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:18
 
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