Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[IcyChain]

The fourth command is to keep the 7th day holy and the correct way to obey that moral precept is not by doing something other than keeping the 7th day holy. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so there is nothing wrong with choosing to follow a tradition of worshiping on Sunday in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy, but you should not hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the 7th day holy in order to establish your own tradition. Setting aside the God's command to keep the 7th day holy in order to establish your own tradition of worshiping God on Sunday makes as little sense as setting aside God's command against adultery in order to establish your own tradition of worshiping God on Sunday, so we have no need to set aside any of God's commands in order to establish our own traditions. Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works (Titus 2:14), so setting aside God's commands is the opposite of honoring the resurrection.

I respect your viewpoint on that but I don't interpret Sacred Scripture such that the ten commandments are binding on Christians as a legalistic code to be rigidly applied. I interpret Sacred Scripture such that the moral precepts of the ten commandments are binding on Christians, but the law is not to be applied as a strict legalistic code as it was in the Old Testament. The specific day is a more of a ceremonial aspect of the commandment in my view, and the moral precept is that we have a duty to set aside a set time to give God the proper worship that he is worthy of. And I interpret Scripture and Sacred Tradition such that the apostles had the authority to move the particular day of worship, and that they did change it.

 

[AlightSeeker]

The fourth command is to keep the 7th day holy and the correct way to obey that moral precept is not by doing something other than keeping the 7th day holy. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so there is nothing wrong with choosing to follow a tradition of worshiping on Sunday in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy, but you should not hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the 7th day holy in order to establish your own tradition. Setting aside the God's command to keep the 7th day holy in order to establish your own tradition of worshiping God on Sunday makes as little sense as setting aside God's command against adultery in order to establish your own tradition of worshiping God on Sunday, so we have no need to set aside any of God's commands in order to establish our own traditions. Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works (Titus 2:14), so setting aside God's commands is the opposite of honoring the resurrection.

I wouldn't accuse people of not obeying God over Sabbath. If anything urge them to enter his real Sabbath rest, not that Saturday Sabbath.

 

[trophy33]

That's cool. You seem really adverse to admitting that a Christian should have an obligation to worship God (regardless of the particular timing or method) but I'm not quite sure why. I think you would agree that the Lord is worthy to be praised. If the Lord is worthy to be praised does it not logically follow that man should have a natural obligation to worship him?

I suspect that you believe that man has an obligation to worship God, but that your fear is that recognition of that obligation will lead to some sort of formal or legalistic formula that man must follow (he must go to church once a week, he must read the bible once a year, etc.) which is incompatible with your notion of freedom in Christ?

But correct me if I am wrong.

Give me a specific verse in the New Testament you may have in mind. I do not know on what ground to stand to give you an answer.

Until then, I will just repeat what I said before - it depends on the individual situation and conscience. If you think something (or not doing something) is a sin, it is a sin for you.

Not everything that is useful is a formal obligation. Not everything that is good is a commandment.

 

[trophy33]

along with that there's also the book of Acts which records the gathering for the Eucharist on Sunday, "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread.."

In Troas, we see that the specific church the Luke and Paul were in, gathered on Sunday. However, we do not know if those in Troas gathered only on Sundays, if it was regular or just because Paul arrived.

The church in Jerusalem was gathering every day.

I think Christians have freedom to organize gatherings as is suitable for their needs.

 

[AlightSeeker]

I want to always be at Jesus feet listening to him speak. His spirit is good.

 

[AlightSeeker]

To walk with the Lord. Such a joyful thing. Everywhere we go he is there with us.

 

[HIM]

NSRV:
"He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances"

Or NIV:
"by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations"

Or BSB:
"by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees"

Or ISV:
"He rendered the Law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations"

Greek:
ἐντολή - an order, command, charge, precept, commadment
δόγμα - an opinion, a judgment, doctrine, decree, ordinance

For such questions, you can use biblehub.com and search in parallel translations, its easy and quick, you do not need to ask and wait for response.

I see we like to quote Greek. As was said and is nowhere in that clause in is..

τὸν The
νόμον Law
τῶν of the
ἐντολῶν Commandments
ἐν In
δόγμασιν Decrees
καταργήσας Having Annulled,

 

[trophy33]

I see we like to quote Greek. As was said and is nowhere in that clause in is..

τὸν The
νόμον Law
τῶν of the
ἐντολῶν Commandments
ἐν In
δόγμασιν Decrees
καταργήσας Having Annulled,

Translation is more than just lexicologial mapping of words. It depends on the context, sentence structure and other things.

If you are multilingual, you know.

 

[FenderTL5]

In Troas, we see that the specific church the Luke and Paul were in, gathered on Sunday. However, we do not know if those in Troas gathered only on Sundays, if it was regular or just because Paul arrived.

The church in Jerusalem was gathering every day.

I think Christians have freedom to organize gatherings as is suitable for their needs.

I would tend to agree for the most part.
The Eucharist is the central act of worship in many (most?) of the traditional Christian Churches. There was no command that it be done on a specific day, only that it is done and with the understanding it will be often. "..Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
The Church, from the time of the Apostles, has celebrated the Eucharist on the First Day of the week, that being the Lord's Day, the Day of the Resurrection. Not only is there reference in Scripture it's also dotted throughout the early Church writings, as specifically mentioned earlier in the Didiche as an example. This does not mean the Saturday Sabbath was abolished or changed. The Ancient Church still considers the Sabbath to be a Holy Day, the day God rested from the work of Creation, the Day the Lord rested in the tomb after the Crucifixion. The souls of the departed are remembered regularly on the Sabbath. However, Liturgies and the Eucharist can and are often on any/every day of the week with a regular gathering on the first day of the week.

 

[trophy33]

I would tend to agree for the most part.
The Eucharist is the central act of worship in many (most?) of the traditional Christian Churches. There was no command that it be done on a specific day, only that it is done and with the understanding it will be often. "..Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
The Church, from the time of the Apostles, has celebrated the Eucharist on the First Day of the week, that being the Lord's Day, the Day of the Resurrection. Not only is there reference in Scripture it's also dotted throughout the early Church writings, as specifically mentioned earlier in the Didiche as an example. This does not mean the Saturday Sabbath was abolished or changed. The Ancient Church still considers the Sabbath to be a Holy Day, the day God rested from the work of Creation, the Day the Lord rested in the tomb after the Crucifixion. The souls of the departed are remembered regularly on the Sabbath. However, Liturgies and the Eucharist can and are often on any/every day of the week with a regular gathering on the first day of the week.

This is too tradition focused for my taste. But from the biblical perspective:

a) some churches were gathering together every day
b) some churches were gathering (at least) on Sundays, Sunday being explicitly mentioned
c) Paul says that we have a freedom to keep a day special or consider none special

No church was mentioned to gather specifically or only on Saturdays/Jewish Sabbath, though. So gathering only on Saturdays and teaching it must be on this day, is the least biblical. Or, better said, not biblical at all.

 

[FenderTL5]

This is too tradition focused for my taste. But from the biblical perspective:

That's fair enough.
Personally, I don't adhere to a philosophy that requires everything between the last entry of Holy writ until the day a Bible landed in my hands to be immaterial. The Church was active from the day of Pentecost to this day. I see no reason to dismiss thousands of years of history, ymmv and I'm not trying to change anyone's one's mind about it.

a) some churches were gathering together every day
b) some churches were gathering (at least) on Sundays, Sunday being explicitly mentioned
c) Paul says that we have a freedom to keep a day special or consider none special

No church was mentioned to gather specifically or only on Saturdays/Jewish Sabbath, though.

true enough

 

[HIM]

Translation is more than just lexicologial mapping of words. It depends on the context, sentence structure and other things.

If you are multilingual, you know.

You know that in is not and don't care that those translations lie and state otherwise?

 

[trophy33]

You know that in is not and don't care that those translations lie and state otherwise?

They lie because you cannot find it in a lexicon, not knowing Greek language as well as they do?

Do you speak a language that is not your native?

 

[Gary K]

along with that there's also the book of Acts which records the gathering for the Eucharist on Sunday, "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread.."

Hmmmm.

1Corinthians 16: 1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Where does this text say the people gathered to worship on the first day of the week? That's a complete twisting of the context and the wording. Paul said to set aside whatever the person was going to give to the church of Galatia on the first day of the week so there would be no gathering of the church when he arrived. There's not even a hint of worshiping on the first day of the week.

 

[Gary K]

I respect your viewpoint on that but I don't interpret Sacred Scripture such that the ten commandments are binding on Christians as a legalistic code to be rigidly applied. I interpret Sacred Scripture such that the moral precepts of the ten commandments are binding on Christians, but the law is not to be applied as a strict legalistic code as it was in the Old Testament. The specific day is a more of a ceremonial aspect of the commandment in my view, and the moral precept is that we have a duty to set aside a set time to give God the proper worship that he is worthy of. And I interpret Scripture and Sacred Tradition such that the apostles had the authority to move the particular day of worship, and that they did change it.

So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.

 

[trophy33]

So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.

Those apply strictly, without the 10. The Ten commandments were part of the Mosaic Law and this has ended with Christ.

However, eternal moral principles like the respect for life and for truth are still binding. Before the Mosaic Law, in the Mosaic Law, after the Mosaic Law.

 

[FenderTL5]

Hmmmm.

1Corinthians 16: 1..
Where does this text say..That's a complete twisting of the context and the wording.

I don't recall using that text, that's on you.

Since you brought it up, I'm curious; your profile says you are SDA. Does your church take a collection? If so, what day of the week is it taken?

 

[IcyChain]

So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.

Myst33 above more or less explained that for you.

 

[IcyChain]

Those apply strictly, without the 10. The Ten commandments were part of the Mosaic Law and this has ended with Christ.

However, eternal moral principles like the respect for life and for truth are still binding. Before the Mosaic Law, in the Mosaic Law, after the Mosaic Law.

Yeah that is where I agree with you. Christians are not strictly under the Mosaic law, but there are aspects of the Mosaic law that overlap with the law of Christ.

 

[la Son]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

Your not wrong with your understanding I was where your at not long ago.
The good news is that your spirit is alive and hungry and your on the correct and narrow path.
Your looking for responses to validate and there won't be many if any at all that will respond to do so.
1) as you have diligently hunted to find is where does it show to do so and where does it say we aren't supposed to?
We go thru the son to get to the father. We look to Jesus and The Most High to understand what the requirements are. We always look to them, always!
Jesus kept the Sabbath. Why would he do so if he planned to do away with it. You can figure it out in his travels etc.
And you should do so you are keeping the Sabbath on the correct days and times.
We always check to see what God has already decreed and we check to his Son. NOBODY ELSE!!!
Anyways, use this to satisfy your valid:

Matt 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Always confirm anything anyone hands to you.
No Matter What.
Don't waste your energy trying to sway people with what you will learn.
All we are supposed to do is say what we learn to people, not convince them. We share the Jews and keep moving on the Vine.
Less than 05.-1% Remember and Keep The Sabbath Holy on the correct day and time.
That is avg census last updated 2018. I'm sure it is lower yet.
This is the 1st step
There are many revelations that may be difficult to grasp. Truths that will be difficult to digest if you get to them.
Peace be with you and your journey.