Archeologists discover materials deposited by water on Mt. Ararat

[rambot]

Scientists may have found evidence of human activity, and flooding that happened on Mount Ararat, pointing to the flood which happened during Noah's time, dated to about 5500 BC to 3000 BC according to Popular Mechanics: Archaeologists Think They Might Have Found the Real Noah’s Ark

Woo, science and the Bible go well together. God willing, that more people realize that Christianity and researchers can go well together. Many early scientists from the 17th - 20th century were God-fearing individuals, including Galileo, Newton, Gregor Mendel, Georges Lemâitre and others.

Edit at 6:15 PM CST (This article is a repost by Popular Mechanics of a Daily Mail article. Shame that Daily Mail can disguise themselves in a science periodical. Daily Mail is a sensationalist junk news site run by a multimillionaire named Jonathan Harmsworth. Guess his company causes a lot of "harm" that isn't "worth" it to factual news by spreading news blown out of proportion)

Be water od making that connection.

There is 0 evidence of a WORLDWIDE global flood less than 10000 years ago. Localized floods appear in most civilizations history but only those that live near major bodies of water.

 

[AlexB23]

Be water od making that connection.

There is 0 evidence of a WORLDWIDE global flood less than 10000 years ago. Localized floods appear in most civilizations history but only those that live near major bodies of water.

Localized floods could have happened within a few thousand years of each other, hence flood stories for Native Americans, Egyptians and in the Middle East.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I think we would d better to unearth the messages that the Noah narrative try to convey to us rather than being concerned about a material ark.
For example:

Jordan Peterson tackles Noah's Ark - LifeSite

The Canadian psychologist and bestselling author examines what the story of Noah means for us today.

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[Bobber]

Be water od making that connection.

There is 0 evidence of a WORLDWIDE global flood less than 10000 years ago. Localized floods appear in most civilizations history but only those that live near major bodies of water.

Rombot I have only one problem with this. When God says it happened that outweighs all the 0 evidence some say they don't have.

 

[rambot]

Rombot I have only one problem with this. When God says it happened that outweighs all the 0 evidence some say they don't have.

These original texts were not written in English. And the style of prose from that culture was not literal or scientific. There is irrefutable evidence of localized flooding and that is its own interesting discussion for sure.

 

[Bobber]

I think we would d better to unearth the messages that the Noah narrative try to convey to us rather than being concerned about a material ark.
For example:

Jordan Peterson tackles Noah's Ark - LifeSite

The Canadian psychologist and bestselling author examines what the story of Noah means for us today.

www.lifesitenews.com

Seems like they back up from believing it actually happened but are using it like a parable. As for me I believe it actually happened. I'm not extreme though in thinking WE MUST FIND THE ARK.....God might just be saying to us be like a child and accept it happened and if you trust me you will. Believing it did happen it should serve to keep one awake and motivated in serving God for Jesus said just like it was in the days of Noah so shall it be when the Son of Man returns. Be ready for Christ's return. It's a serious thing to make sure one is

 

[Bobber]

These original texts were not written in English. And the style of prose from that culture was not literal or scientific.

It was written in Hebrew I understand. Not literal? I'd say it is. Can't see why the life span of certain individuals would be so clearly and precisely recorded if it wasn't. Adam 930, Seth 912, Enos 905 and down the line, Enoch 395

 

[Pommer]

It was written in Hebrew I understand. Not literal? I'd say it is. Can't see why the life span of certain individuals would be so clearly and precisely recorded if it wasn't. Adam 930, Seth 912, Enos 905 and down the line, Enoch 395

Maybe this is the effect of the oral-tradition where specific ages would be told and it started out at 90 years and each generation (or two) the number would get bigger?

Moshe only got the Law from God on Mount Sinai, not the Pentateuch.

 

[Bobber]

Maybe this is the effect of the oral-tradition where specific ages would be told and it started out at 90 years and each generation (or two) the number would get bigger?

Moshe only got the Law from God on Mount Sinai, not the Pentateuch.

Then you'd have to ask yourself the question what would be the motivation to make it seem like the life span of man in the beginning was so much longer?

 

[Pommer]

Then you'd have to ask yourself the question what would be the motivation to make it seem like the life span of man in the beginning was so much longer?

Why, to venerate the ancestors, “back in their day they didn’t sin so much so they lived longer, try to be like them, kids!”
It’s a tried-and-true religion 101 core principle.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Then you'd have to ask yourself the question what would be the motivation to make it seem like the life span of man in the beginning was so much longer?

And what is the motivation to create the earth to make it seem billions of year old?

Genesis, like much of the oldest literature, is a mixture of figurative and historical language. Sorting it out is not an easy thing to do and few people agree. At this point I think it best to simply work on the meaning. Why report that they lived so long? Pommer has the right idea.

Why, to venerate the ancestors, “back in their day they didn’t sin so much so they lived longer, try to be like them, kids!”

 

[Bobber]

Genesis, like much of the oldest literature, is a mixture of figurative and historical language.

As for me I'll stay with that it's genuine historical language.

Sorting it out is not an easy thing to do and few people agree. At this point I think it best to simply work on the meaning.

Well the meaning of the Ark account is clear. It can show one how dedicated they should be to God regardless of the mockery of others. It teaches one something may be true even though the whole world might laugh but the key is to hold fast to what God said. God told Noah to build an Ark but he's told us to build a prayer life and to develop a relationship with him. It teaches us to when God says the world is heading for judgment one better take it seriously. If Noah and his story wasn't valid though.....the whole serious aspect would be meaningless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why, to venerate the ancestors, “back in their day they didn’t sin so much so they lived longer, try to be like them, kids!”
It’s a tried-and-true religion 101 core principle.

It might have been because they were a different species of human, and were the original descendants of Adam and Eve, and has nothing to do with sin, etc, other than their lifeline was only starting to get shorter now because of the original sin commited by Adam and Eve, etc, but only got substantially shorter immediately after the flood, etc, and this is probably because many of them were now wiped out now, due to fornication and having hybrid children with the much lesser others that they had begun encountering or running into now, etc.

They were supposed to rule over them, and not have sex with them, or have hybrid children with them, etc, for this was always the plan from the beginning originally, etc.

Much like in the movie Avatar, I think this original other species was very much more physically larger than the other species, being specially created by God originally, etc.

They were not supposed to have sex with the other species, etc, and wouldn't have, had they not inherited sin from Adam and Eve, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If Noah and his story wasn't valid though.....the whole serious aspect would be meaningless.

No. You get the point of it. Just like a fable or any good mythology.

Does a tortoise actually have to race a hare and win for the story to have a meaningful lesson?

 

[Neogaia777]

Examine or study the region of Mesopotamia for the time period in question, including the archeology and geology and history of the region for the time period in question, how it both was and used to be, and how it changed very, very quickly, and then arrive at your own conclusions from there, etc. Because if you are being honest, then you have to admit that it's at least possible at least, etc. And I mean this both logically and scientifically, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Bobber]

No. You get the point of it. Just like a fable or any good mythology.

Does a tortoise actually have to race a hare and win for the story to have a meaningful lesson?

I get you and I understand the principle of what you're trying to say. Yes so I concede you can get a meaningful lesson of something not actually true. But when you have Jesus and Paul the Apostle refer to things in Genesis....Adam the first Adam did this and the last Adam (Christ) did that. If God said sin did come through the disobedience of a one (first Adam) if we're going to resort to calling it a myth for it's a Genesis thing, it does lose it's meaning of truth. What we'd be talking about is REAL RAMIFICATONS over something that truly did occur.

 

[Bobber]

Examine or study the region of Mesopotamia for the time period in question, including the archeology and geology and history of the region for the time period in question, how it both was and used to be, and how it changed very, very quickly, and then arrive at your own conclusions from there, etc. Because if you are being honest, then you have to admit that it's at least possible at least, etc. And I mean this both logically and scientifically, etc.

God Bless.

What's possible. That it really happened or it didn't?

 

[durangodawood]

...... If Noah and his story wasn't valid though.....the whole serious aspect would be meaningless.

I dont understand this. If God chose to tell a story to indicate how we should believe and live, how is that any less meaningful than if the story actually happened?

 

[Neogaia777]

What's possible. That it really happened or it didn't?

That it really happened, but just that we had gotten some things wrong historically, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I get you and I understand the principle of what you're trying to say. Yes so I concede you can get a meaningful lesson of something not actually true. But when you have Jesus and Paul the Apostle refer to things in Genesis....Adam the first Adam did this and the last Adam (Christ) did that. If God said sin did come through the disobedience of a one (first Adam) if we're going to resort to calling it a myth for it's a Genesis thing, it does lose it's meaning of truth. What we'd be talking about is REAL RAMIFICATONS over something that truly did occur.

I am not trying to dissuade you. I am just sharing my perspective.

Again, we can talk about the tortoise and the hare as if they were real historical individuals who raced and the tortoise won. The hare took it all for granted and thought he could be lazy. The tortoise persevered and did his best though it may have taken him a long time. Who do you want to take as your modal? Which one inspires you?

We do this all the time. Remember Bonanza? Ben was the patriarch. A good natured wealthy man with three sons. Adam, Hoss and Little Joe. We can go on and on about them as if they were historical.