Hottest Week on Record, Hottest June, Record hottest days, Record Low Antarctic sea ice

[USincognito]

Have you researched or read anything of an opposing position based on data?

It is out there.

I've looked at the nonsense on Anthony Watt's blog for like 10 years and I'm a member of one climate change Facebook group dominated by skeptics. I also see press releases from Heartland Institute and CEI and other conservative economic think tanks, but they rarely have original data. I've read some articles by Judith Curry and, of course, I've seen things posted here by the "anti" folks since 2004.

A problem with your second point is that there are more methods of determining climate than just some guy staring at a thermometer and making a notation in a logbook. We have methods like dendochronology, ice core sampling, pollen analysis, varves and a dozen others that can determine if a year, even one 100,000 years ago was wet/dry, warm/cold, etc. Because of these other methods of determining historical temperatures, you objection with the Little Ice Age is untennable.

 

[Pommer]

I've looked at the nonsense on Anthony Watt's blog for like 10 years and I'm a member of one climate change Facebook group dominated by skeptics. I also see press releases from Heartland Institute and CEI and other conservative economic think tanks, but they rarely have original data. I've read some articles by Judith Curry and, of course, I've seen things posted here by the "anti" folks since 2004.

Conservatism, when it come to economic issues, is supposed to be recalcitrant.
This isn’t so much a climate issue for the deniers, as it is an economic one; (economic) conservatism demands that they people who make the bulk of the money now, will continue to be the people who make the money in the future because they’re already on our side!
Some cannot let go of the dollar.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Conservatism, when it come to economic issues, is supposed to be recalcitrant.
This isn’t so much a climate issue for the deniers, as it is an economic one; (economic) conservatism demands that they people who make the bulk of the money now, will continue to be the people who make the money in the future because they’re already on our side!
Some cannot let go of the dollar.

Then don’t look at who is making money off the climate change groups. They are not doing it for free and they sure are not donation if their time and efforts.

If we follow the dollar. There is plenary to follow on both sides of the issue.

 

[Pommer]

Then don’t look at who is making money off the climate change groups. They are not doing it for free and they sure are not donation if their time and efforts.

If we follow the dollar. There is plenary to follow on both sides of the issue.

Yes, we agree. Thank you.
So will the “winners” be Big Oil or Little Lithium?
Or some combination thereof?

 

[Halbhh]

The wall can also be used to block the deluge of immigrants trying to escape increasingly difficult conditions in poor countries as the result of higher sea levels and areas rendered uninhabitable by global warming especially around equator zones.

Better yet, make it harder for immigrants from poor countries to get in. Ofc, I can't be serious because I myself live in a poor country. Someday, in worst case scenarios, I myself might need to do the unthinkable, smuggle myself to more habitable countries if only rich countries didn't made it impossibly hard for poor people from poor countries to get in. Kinda reminds me of the Pharisees in the context of spiritual salvation.

Yes, Christians welcome strangers, refugees, and if the U.S. remains Christian acting enough then it will continue to allow refugees to enter.

But in politics, the loudest voices often can sway the situation temporarily for a few years. Political parties try to cater to various small groups to bring that group into their big tent.

So, the Christian majority that welcomes the stranger has to help counter the smaller vocal minority that want to keep all immigrants out, and that's a hard task lately in that the nonChristians that wish to block all immigrants are not a tiny group, but a sizeable minority.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The world just got its first real taste of what life is like at 1.5 degrees Celsius​

According to data from the Copernicus Climate Change Service, July of this year was the most scorching July on record, clocking in at somewhere between 1.5 and 1.6 Celsius hotter than the average before the widespread use of fossil fuels.

Before this July, the world had briefly passed over 1.5 degrees for a few times before — but it was during winter months for the Northern Hemisphere, thus blunting the impacts on the largest population centers. This was the first month where temperatures were that far above preindustrial levels and most of the world’s population was under hot, summer conditions.

This doesn’t mean that the world has missed its climate goal of preventing a temperature rise over 1.5 degrees. That would require temperatures to be over that, on average, for multiple years in a row — not just a single month. [Likely by 2030 on our current trajectory.] But it does mean that people around the world have briefly experienced what it might feel like to be in a world like that during the summer months.

NB: "The 1.5 degrees Celsius mark isn’t a magic tipping point"

 

[FireDragon76]

Conservatism, when it come to economic issues, is supposed to be recalcitrant.
This isn’t so much a climate issue for the deniers, as it is an economic one; (economic) conservatism demands that they people who make the bulk of the money now, will continue to be the people who make the money in the future because they’re already on our side!
Some cannot let go of the dollar.

How are you going to make money when your home is underwater and all you can eat is Soylent Green?

 

[peregrinus2017]

I'm a little nervous venturing into a conversation on such a loaded topic, but I recently read about the Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption that occured early in 2022. It was an unprecedented underwater eruption that greatly increased the amount of water vapour in the stratosphere. This is expected to cause significant warming of the planet and possibly last several years. Weird that I hadn't heard about it before, but it's worth looking up, even just for the pictures of the event taken by NASA.

 

[USincognito]

I'm a little nervous venturing into a conversation on such a loaded topic, but I recently read about the Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption that occured early in 2022. It was an unprecedented underwater eruption that greatly increased the amount of water vapour in the stratosphere. This is expected to cause significant warming of the planet and possibly last several years. Weird that I hadn't heard about it before, but it's worth looking up, even just for the pictures of the event taken by NASA.

What's interesting about the eruption and the seawater is that water vapor has a cycle of, I believe, a couple of weeks. But the explosion was so powerful it sent the water into the Stratosphere where it will take longer to cycle out.

Tonga Eruption May Temporarily Push Earth Closer to 1.5°C of Warming - Eos

The underwater eruption of Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha‘apai sent megatons of water vapor into the stratosphere, contributing to an increase in global warming over the next 5 years.

eos.org

 

[essentialsaltes]

'Good bye, my home planet needs me.'

 

[essentialsaltes]

sorry for a real downer of a story​

Thousands of penguin chicks killed by early sea ice break up, study says​

Last year saw record low levels of sea ice — and this year looks set to be even worse, scientists say​

More than 9,000 emperor penguin chicks were probably killed as ice broke up early in Antarctica last year, in what scientists called a “catastrophic breeding failure.”

Emperor penguins usually lay their eggs in May or June, but the chicks must remain on the ice until they fledge in the southern hemisphere summer, in December or January. Before this point, the young birds lack the waterproof feathers they need to survive in the water.

[But where the ice broke up, they likely all froze to death.]

Of the emperor penguin’s 62 known breeding sites across Antarctica, 19 suffered some breeding failure, with complete failure in six, according to Fretwell.

And the impact on the penguins’ breeding patterns is expected to continue into this year, as sea ice formation only began in late June — months later than normal. By then, “the emperors should have been sitting on their eggs already,” Fretwell said.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

How are you going to make money when your home is underwater and all you can eat is Soylent Green?

In our dry spring I noticed that weeds didn't seem to have a problem while every thing else died.
Fortunately many weeds are edible and healthy for us.
I think our future is weeds.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Earth just had its warmest August — and meteorological summer — on record​

Last month was the planet’s warmest August on record, and the Northern Hemisphere experienced its hottest meteorological summer, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.

“Global marine heat waves and a growing El Niño are driving additional warming this year, but as long as emissions continue driving a steady march of background warming, we expect further records to be broken in the years to come,” read a statement from NOAA chief scientist Sarah Kapnick.

According to NOAA researchers, global surface temperatures last month were 2.25 degrees above the 20th century average of 60.1 degrees, surpassing the previous record, from August 2016, by more than half a degree.

In addition to being the warmest August in NOAA’s 174 years of records, the month saw the third-highest temperature anomaly of any month on record, meaning the third-highest from its average.

It wasn’t just the land the boiled: August set a record for the highest monthly sea surface temperature anomaly — 1.85 degrees above average. The warming oceanscontributed to shrinking sea ice, with Antarctica experiencing its fourth consecutive month with the lowest sea ice extent on record. Globally, sea ice extent in August was about 550,000 square miles less than the previous record low, set in August 2019.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Just halfway through September, and the temperature anomaly is rising. Note that this anomaly is compared to a 1991-2020 baseline, which itself is 0.9C above where the total anomaly is typically measured from, so the recent ~1C anomalies are really +1.9C compared to preindustrial levels.

After months of record planetary warmth, temperatures have become even more abnormal in recent weeks — briefly averaging close to 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels, a global warming thresholdleaders are seeking to avoid.

“I thought we had seen exceptional temperatures back in July,” said Zeke Hausfather, climate research lead for the payment company Stripe. “What we’ve seen this week is well above that.”

Hausfather called it “a foregone conclusion” that September marks a third consecutive month of record-setting average global temperatures.

[And the year as a whole will almost certainly be the warmest ever, likely near the 1.5C level commonly used as a target to not-go-over.]

[As always, the net result is a combination of manmade and natural forces, but apparently we caught a lucky break for the early part of the 2000s.]

During a stretch of the early 2000s when rates of global warming appeared to slow, Tebaldi said, natural fluctuations had a cooling effect that acted to dampen human-caused warming. That appears to have changed. [i.e. now both manmade and natural forces, including a significant El Niño effect, are pushing us warmer.]

 

[Always in His Presence]

Snowbasin Resort shared on X that it experienced its first snowfall of the season, a month earlier than last year and two days before fall officially starts​

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The calendar says one day until autumn, but multiple states in the U.S. are already experiencing winter-like weather.

With a cold front that moved in from Canada this week, snow has begun to fall in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, and Washington.

On Thursday morning, a cold front from the Pacific Northwest entered Utah, followed by a low-pressure system. This decreased temperatures to about 15 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit below normal, and marked the arrival of the first snow of the season in some parts of the state.

 

[Pommer]

During a stretch of the early 2000s when rates of global warming appeared to slow, Tebaldi said, natural fluctuations had a cooling effect that acted to dampen human-caused warming. That appears to have changed. [i.e. now both manmade and natural forces, including a significant El Niño effect, are pushing us warmer.]

Oh tish-tosh, the real “reason” things are getting hotter is that people sin more and we’re getting closer to making the world go to [heck]!
Once the Christian-nationalists take charge things will change, then the Heathen will be brought into line, yessiree bob!

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Oh tish-tosh, the real “reason” things are getting hotter is that people sin more and we’re getting closer to making the world go to [heck]!
Once the Christian-nationalists take charge things will change, (glory!), the Heathen will be brought into line, yessiree bob!

Now now, there’s no reason to try and make climate change deniers out to be stereotypical buffoons.

They’re accomplishing that just fine themselves…

 

[essentialsaltes]

Snowbasin Resort shared on X that it experienced its first snowfall of the season, a month earlier than last year and two days before fall officially starts​

This appears to be a variation on "it snowed, in Ohio, in February so therefore global warming is a hoax".

 

[ToddNotTodd]

There are people who are incapable of understanding that just because it’s cold somewhere, it doesn’t negates the idea that the the planet as a whole is getting hotter.

 

[Pommer]

There are people who are incapable of understanding that just because it’s cold somewhere, it doesn’t negates the idea that the the planet as a whole is getting hotter.

No, I’m almost positive that nobody has this cognitive impediment, it’s just that they don’t think a 2°C is “something for me to worry about” so they feel free to make light of the issue altogether.

Never confuse apathy for stupidity.
(Especially in politics)