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Try actually reading the Bible, instead of your wild and unsupported opinions:

It’s not unsupported ..everyone knows a father who loves his son does not put their son to be tested by suffering and by fire in order to prove that his son loves him ….yet you want us to believe God does test his children by fire





1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The work that each person does will, at the last be brought to light; the Day of judgement will expose it. For that Day dawns in fire and the fire will test the worth of each persons work. If anyone’s legacy survives, they will be rewarded, if the fire destroys it, they will have to bear the loss – yet they will escape with their life, though only by passing through the fire.

Does not say anywhere here that God is testing His children by fire on judgement day ..

James 1:12 Happy is the person who stands firm in time of trial. If you pass safely through the time of testing, you will receive as your reward the life which God has promised to those who love Him.
who is doing the testing here? God? Does not say that does it ?
 
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Wait for the Day:

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

Zephaniah 2:1-3 Prepare yourselves, you undesirable nation, be humble before you disappear like chaff, before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you. Seek righteousness; seek humility, all you people in the Land who obey God’s Laws and it may be that you will find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. The sea coast will become a sheep grazing area belonging to the survivors of Judah, for their God will turn to them and restore their fortunes. Isaiah 14-1, Ezekiel 36:1-37

Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have noted the insults of Moab and the Ammonites, how they have reviled My people and encroached on their frontiers. For this, I swear, they will become like Sodom and Gomorrah, a place of weeds and salt pans. Those of My people who survive will inherit their land. This is retribution for their pride, because they have insulted God’s people and taken over their Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 2:1-5

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall rid you of your proud and arrogant citizens, but I will leave a remnant, a humble people who will trust in Me. The survivors in Israel will be righteous, under My protection. Isaiah 31:5

Zephaniah 3:19-20 When the time comes and I have dealt with your oppressors, then I shall rescue the lost and gather the dispersed and bring you all to your homeland. You will win respect and renown from the other nations when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes, It is I, the Lord, who speaks. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.



Wait for the Day; the whole earth burned and devastated. The only known way how this could happen, is by a massive Coronal Mass Ejection, a fire judgement mentioned and described over 100 times in Bible prophecy. It will be the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpected and shocking. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1

You undesirable nation – The Jewish State of Israel. It may be that those who live righteously and humbly will ‘find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.’ 2 Peter 2:9

Philistines and Moab and Ammon – Palestinians and Jordanians. Amos 1:6-8 & 13-14, Ezekiel 21:28-31

leave a remnant in Jerusalem, under My protection – Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

rescue the lost....bring you home – The great gathering of all the faithful Christian peoples, prophesied more than 40 times, to happen soon after this forthcoming, worldwide fire judgement. They will live in the promised Land, under God’s protection and when the Anti Christ comes to Jerusalem, Daniel 11:31-32, Revelation 13:7, they are taken to a place of safety until the Return of Jesus.
 
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Wait for the Day:

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

Zephaniah 2:1-3 Prepare yourselves, you undesirable nation, be humble before you disappear like chaff, before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you. Seek righteousness; seek humility, all you people in the Land who obey God’s Laws and it may be that you will find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. The sea coast will become a sheep grazing area belonging to the survivors of Judah, for their God will turn to them and restore their fortunes. Isaiah 14-1, Ezekiel 36:1-37

Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have noted the insults of Moab and the Ammonites, how they have reviled My people and encroached on their frontiers. For this, I swear, they will become like Sodom and Gomorrah, a place of weeds and salt pans. Those of My people who survive will inherit their land. This is retribution for their pride, because they have insulted God’s people and taken over their Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 2:1-5

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall rid you of your proud and arrogant citizens, but I will leave a remnant, a humble people who will trust in Me. The survivors in Israel will be righteous, under My protection. Isaiah 31:5

Zephaniah 3:19-20 When the time comes and I have dealt with your oppressors, then I shall rescue the lost and gather the dispersed and bring you all to your homeland. You will win respect and renown from the other nations when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes, It is I, the Lord, who speaks. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.



Wait for the Day; the whole earth burned and devastated. The only known way how this could happen, is by a massive Coronal Mass Ejection, a fire judgement mentioned and described over 100 times in Bible prophecy. It will be the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpected and shocking. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1

You undesirable nation – The Jewish State of Israel. It may be that those who live righteously and humbly will ‘find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.’ 2 Peter 2:9

Philistines and Moab and Ammon – Palestinians and Jordanians. Amos 1:6-8 & 13-14, Ezekiel 21:28-31

leave a remnant in Jerusalem, under My protection – Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

rescue the lost....bring you home – The great gathering of all the faithful Christian peoples, prophesied more than 40 times, to happen soon after this forthcoming, worldwide fire judgement. They will live in the promised Land, under God’s protection and when the Anti Christ comes to Jerusalem, Daniel 11:31-32, Revelation 13:7, they are taken to a place of safety until the Return of Jesus.

Praise be to our Father who had given us His Son to save us from the wrath to come
 
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I’m optimistic that within evangelical Christianity a common sense majority will back away from the more extreme elements of dispensational theology.
Better still, all dispensational theology.
 
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I don't know what you mean by the Jesuits correct
Futurism was first taught by the Jesuit Ribera, in 1590, to counter the reformers, and pre reformation proto reformers that the Pope is Antichrist. It was followed by another book by the Jesuit Belarmine then there was one whose name I cannot remember who wrote under a false name, I think one of the names was Welsh sounding, then there was another Jesuit also who wrote under the false name of Juan Josefat a converted Jew, but he was actually a South American Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza. In the early 19th century, Edward Irving a minister of the church of Scotland translated Lacunza's book from Spanish into English, and adapted it and introduced, not only Futurism, but dispensational Futurism into protestantism, which was mainly confined to The Apstolic Catholic Church, ie. Irvingism, and the Brethren. It only really took off with the Scofield bible.
 
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Futurism was first taught by the Jesuit Ribera, in 1590, to counter the reformers, and pre reformation proto reformers that the Pope is Antichrist. It was followed by another book by the Jesuit Belarmine then there was one whose name I cannot remember who wrote under a false name, I think one of the names was Welsh sounding, then there was another Jesuit also who wrote under the false name of Juan Josefat a converted Jew, but he was actually a South American Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza. In the early 19th century, Edward Irving a minister of the church of Scotland translated Lacunza's book from Spanish into English, and adapted it and introduced, not only Futurism, but dispensational Futurism into protestantism, which was mainly confined to The Apstolic Catholic Church, ie. Irvingism, and the Brethren. It only really took off with the Scofield bible.
Too generalized for me to comment on whether the Jesuits were correct or not.

What I do know is that the Pope/Papacy is not the Antichrist, nor beast-king.
 
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Futurism was first taught by the Jesuit Ribera, in 1590, to counter the reformers, and pre reformation proto reformers that the Pope is Antichrist. It was followed by another book by the Jesuit Belarmine then there was one whose name I cannot remember who wrote under a false name, I think one of the names was Welsh sounding, then there was another Jesuit also who wrote under the false name of Juan Josefat a converted Jew, but he was actually a South American Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza. In the early 19th century, Edward Irving a minister of the church of Scotland translated Lacunza's book from Spanish into English, and adapted it and introduced, not only Futurism, but dispensational Futurism into protestantism, which was mainly confined to The Apstolic Catholic Church, ie. Irvingism, and the Brethren. It only really took off with the Scofield bible.
David, I found this video about what Rabert Bellarmine taught about the end times. Some parts are right, but much is not. Had he been a participant of this forum, I think he would have refined and corrected much of what he wrote. Maybe, maybe not.

 
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That video is from a Catholic site apparently "St. Belarmine"didn't get anything correct. His Book was desiged for one thing, to counter the reformation teaching that the Pope is Antichrist. The papacy banned the reading of Revelation, as the reformation teaching was doing harm to the Roman catholic church, it is because these Romanian views became popular that the RCC has increased greatly. If you believe that the Jesuits say is the truth you are deceived.

I suggest you read this

UNHOLY MOTHER OF INTOLERANCE: THE INQUISITION
lssue Date: January/February 1984 (/battle-cry/article-listing?issue-1-1984)by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or Stalin. Indeed it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to strike should the opportunity present itself.
All her actions in past centuries speak of nothing else. Her main excuse for intolerance makes strange logic: She is specifically charged by God to save the souls of all Christians. Since the killing of souls was worse than the killing of bodies, she reasoned, and since heretics used their bodies to kill souls, their bodies should pay for the sins of the wicked souls they housed.
Thanks to this Catholic logic, soon the ecclesiastical and temporal machineries of the Western world were enriched with the noble practice of judicial torture, expressly employed by Holy Mother Church for the suppression of heresy, later known as Protestantism.
In 1252 Pope Innocent IV issued Bull AS EXTIRPANDA, It became the classic in inquisitorial procedure. It provides:
1. that anyone may seize a heretic and despoil him of his property;
2. that every magistrate shall appoint an inquisitorial commission, whose salaries are to be paid by the State;
3. that no law may be passed interfering with these Inquisitors; 4. that heretics who will not confess their heresy shall be tortured;
5. that the confiscated property of heretics shall be thus divided: one-third to the Inguisitors and the bishops, one-third to the city, and one-third to those who aided in the arrest and conviction.
Pope Innocent gave precise instructions to all Inquisitors to enforce the regulations throughout Europe. Eventually it was made Statute Law. The regular clergy proved reluctant, so the popes turned to the most fanatical, intolerant and narrow-minded section of the Church structure, the sundry monastic orders.
The two which excelled in their infamous task were the Dominicans and the Franciscans. Armed with practically unlimited power from the popes, these Inquisitors Swarmed all over Europe ike theological hornets, setting up tribunals wherever they appeared.
Soon individuals, communities, nations, and indeed, the very hierarchy trembled at the mere mention of their names. Wherever they came, denunciations, accusation, treachery, perjury, torture, woe, and death resulted.
The hooded Inquisitors did not content themselves with establishing their court in the sundry lands of Europe. Pope Gregory IX appointed a Dominican Grand lnquisitor for the whole of Armenia and Russia. Pope Urban VI ordered the General of the Dominicans to appoint Inquisitors for Armenia, Greece and Tartary (China).
Pope Nicholas IV asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to create Inquisitors from the mendicant friars in his land. Pope Gregory XI granted authority to the Franciscan Provincial in the Holy Land to act as Chief Inqisitor in Syria, Palestine and even Egypt.
When an Inquisitor arrived everybody was commanded, in obedience to the pope and to Mother Church, to disclose the name of anyone suspected of the slightest deviation from the Faith. The Inquisitors issued a compelling threat and a promise. A denouncer would get an indulgence of three years. Those avoiding their duty would be excommunicated.
Some denunciations were factual but many were concocted by vengeance, spite of jealousy. Those denounced, even on the flimsiest accusation or mere suspicion would be arrested and flung directly into prison.
This usually was a common dungeon. Cold and damp, it lacked light or sanitation, and contained cut-throats, thieves, and the like. Among these the friars would plant spies to induce the accused, by pretended friendship, threats, or other methods, to admit his guilt.
If this first step proved insufficient, the suspected heretic would be chained with heavy irons and left to starve in a dark, foul hole called the durus carcer--"cruel prison." The accused was then brought before the inquisitorial tribunal composed of friars. If he asked the names of his accusers, he was told that only his judges had the right to know their names. He had no such right.
He was asked to confess to his guilt. If he pleaded innocence, he would be sent back to prison, On a second or third appearance before the Court, if he persisted he was put to torture. The whole purpose of his trial, of course, was to force a confession of heresy.
Torture was inflicted without solid proof of guilt. Two complainers or even one single accuser was sufficient for subjection to the agonies of torture, even if the accused man had, until then, been of unblemished character, pristine honesty and genuine piety.
The methods, kinds and degrees of torture were endless. The three basic ones employed were hoisting the man to the ceiling by his hands tied behind his back, breaking him on the rack, or greasing his feet and thrusting them into the fire.
If, following all the exquisite devices of torture, the heretic refused to recant or to admit his guilt, then the Inquisitors would pass capital sentence of heresy. Having done that, they would hand him over to the "secular arm," the civil authorities.
To complete the macabre farce, the Holy Inquisitors would ask these same temporal powers, in the name of the Church, not to kill the poor accused. This formality was a mere legalistic device to make the Church appear innocent of the blood which was about to be spilled--or rather, burned.
The civil authorities could not heed this hypocritical plea, however, lest the Holy Inquisition fall upon them. Refusal to burn the heretic would have placed the temporal authorities themselves on trial for their lives. For heresy, of course!
Soon no one was safe from potential arrest. The spying, denunciation, and hunting down of heretics reached cleric or lay, men or women, noble or common. No one was immune from the terrorizing omnipresence of the Holy Inquisition.
This reign of Catholic terror lasted for centuries. Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and yes, even children were murdered...burned alive at the stake. Simply because they dared to disagree with the Holy Catholic Church or with her popes.
This Catholic terror officially ended less than two hundred years ago. As recenty as 1762 a Protestant pastor was condemned to death in France. Why? Simply because he was a Protestant! By whom? By the Catholic Church! Yes, by that same church which now pretends to love her "dear separated brethren."
Indeed, in Europe torture was still enforced by all the Tribunals of the Holy Inquisition until the last century, the pope being forced to abolish it only in 1816.
It was Napoleon, who entered Madrid in 1808, who was to abolish the Inguisition. When the Spanish Parliament in 1813 declared it incompatible with the Constitution, the Vatican protested. Super-Catholic Ferdinand VIll restored it in 1814, with the full approval of the Church. The Holy Inquisition was finally suppressed by the Liberals in July, 1834.
Yes, SUPPRESSED. Was not this same spirit still alive in Croatia in 1942 when the Catholic Ustachi mutilated hundreds of thousands of Serbian "heretics?" Or in South Vietnam in 1960 when Catholic President Diem set out to rid that country of Buddhist "heretics?" Or in 1983 when Christmas shoppers in Protestant ("heretic") London were blasted into eternity by a Catholic IRA terrorist bomb in a crowded department store?
0So the Office of the Holy Inquisition was abolished only as recently as last cerntury. Let us never forget that the Catholic Church was forced to abolish it by a lay government. Yet it is still alive, a roaring lion gnashing at his cage bars still seeking whom he may devour.

 
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That video is from a Catholic site apparently Belarmine didn't get anything correct.
David, Bellarmine got one thing right - that is the Jews will think the Antichrist is their messiah.

And yes, he did put a Catholic slant on much of what he wrote.

Also, I think because he lived during the 1500's, he did not have the advatnages we have today of the internet which allows for unlimited amounts of information and exchanges of views. For example, in that video it does not appear that Bellarmine considered the five stages of the little horn's path to his destruction. Neither did the Reformers for that matter - or else they would know that the Pope cannot be the Antichrist since the Pope is not Jewish, nor his religion Judaism - in order to become the Antichrist.




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Praise be to our Father who had given us His Son to save us from the wrath to come
Note well that 1 Corinthians 3:15 says we must pass through fire.
The Lord Promises to protect His own, as they stand firm in their faith, as He did for the three men in the furnace.
 
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David, Bellarmine got one thing right - that is the Jews will think the Antichrist is their messiah.

And yes, he did put a Catholic slant on much of what he wrote.

Also, I think because he lived during the 1500's, he did not have the advatnages we have today of the internet which allows for unlimited amounts of information and exchanges of views. For example, in that video it does not appear that Bellarmine considered the five stages of the little horn's path to his destruction. Neither did the Reformers for that matter - or else they would know that the Pope cannot be the Antichrist since the Pope is not Jewish, nor his religion Judaism - in order to become the Antichrist.




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Where does it say the Jews would think of him as their Messiah?

He his anti Christ, not anti Messiah. It is Christians that would not recognise him.

As Joseph Mede, d 1633, said. Just as the Jews knew when the Messiah would come, they didn't recognise him because they were looking for a Messiah of their own imagination, one who was a world ruler.
So the Christians knew when the Antichrist would come, but didn't recognise him as they were looking for and Antichrist of their own imagination.
 
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Where does it say the Jews would think of him as their Messiah?

He his anti Christ, not anti Messiah. It is Christians that would not recognise him.

As Joseph Mede, d 1633, said. Just as the Jews knew when the Messiah would come, they didn't recognise him because they were looking for a Messiah of their own imagination, one who was a world ruler.
So the Christians knew when the Antichrist would come, but didn't recognise him as they were looking for and Antichrist of their own imagination.
In John 5:43 Jesus said that the Jews would accept another (as their King of Israel messiah implied) who comes in his own name.

The term Antichrist implies Anti - Jesus, the true Christ, the rightful King of Israel messiah, who came in the name of the Lord.
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The Jews are not going to be calling the person the Antichrist of course. They will just call him the messiah.

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The Jews at the time of the disciples were looking for a messiah that would free them from Roman rule, and that the Kingdom of God would begin physically in its place. Please consider if you lived in their day, all they has was the Tanach. And from Daniel 7, they knew the fourth kingdom would be in power when they would receive the Kingdom of God, and the fourth kingdom destroyed. So they were looking for the messiah - who would fulfill bible prophetcy, according to the information they had at the time.

Even after the resurrection, the disciples in Acts 1, asked Jesus if He was going to bring the Kingdom of God physically at that time, because of their exceptions - I think because of Daniel 7.

Back then, every household did not have a copy of the Tanach, as copies of their scripture were all handwritten. So what they learned was from being taught in the temple, where the scrolls were kept.

Today of course, we have unlimited information available to us, and international communication like between you and I. The big change to civilization, imo, came in the 1870's with two technological advancements of the electric light bulb and the internal combustion engine.

As time goes by, the unfolding of the details of bible prophecy will become clearer and clearer. The big one to me will be we will know for certain who the little horn person is - specifically the exact individual.
 
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Note well that 1 Corinthians 3:15 says we must pass through fire.
The Lord Promises to protect His own, as they stand firm in their faith, as He did for the three men in the furnace.
keras, that is not what that verse means. In verse 14, Christians will receive rewards for what we have done for the cause of Christ.

If a person's works are not built on a solid foundation - which is Jesus Christ - then those works not be counted for reward.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1Chorinthians3:15 is about our works being worthy or not for reward. Some Christians works will not be worthy, and those Christians will suffer loss in not receiving rewards, they could have otherwise had.

"passing through the fire" is a term used by the pagan worship of Moloch, when they burned their children in worshiping that pagan false god Moloch. The evil was unspeakable, and the judgment on those pagan priests at the Great White Throne Judgment will be what is coming to them.

So don't be saying we must pass through fire.
 
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In John 5:43 Jesus said that the Jews would accept another (as their King of Israel messiah implied) who comes in his own name.

The term Antichrist implies Anti - Jesus, the true Christ, the rightful King of Israel messiah, who came in the name of the Lord.
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The Jews are not going to be calling the person the Antichrist of course. They will just call him the messiah.

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The Jews at the time of the disciples were looking for a messiah that would free them from Roman rule, and that the Kingdom of God would begin physically in its place. Please consider if you lived in their day, all they has was the Tanach. And from Daniel 7, they knew the fourth kingdom would be in power when they would receive the Kingdom of God, and the fourth kingdom destroyed. So they were looking for the messiah - who would fulfill bible prophetcy, according to the information they had at the time.

Even after the resurrection, the disciples in Acts 1, asked Jesus if He was going to bring the Kingdom of God physically at that time, because of their exceptions - I think because of Daniel 7.

Back then, every household did not have a copy of the Tanach, as copies of their scripture were all handwritten. So what they learned was from being taught in the temple, where the scrolls were kept.

Today of course, we have unlimited information available to us, and international communication like between you and I. The big change to civilization, imo, came in the 1870's with two technological advancements of the electric light bulb and the internal combustion engine.

As time goes by, the unfolding of the details of bible prophecy will become clearer and clearer. The big one to me will be we will know for certain who the little horn person is - specifically the exact individual.
The early church lived nearer to the apostles than us so they knew a number of prophesies handed down to them when they spoke of the prophecies they were most united ang correct. When they spoke of other things they were anything but united, it being their own opinion.

They taught that the let a hindrance in 2 Thessalonians 2 were the Emperor and the Empire. When they were to removed the empire would be split between 10 kings ( again future to them, but history to us) out of those would arise the little horn, the Antichrist, (again future to them, but history to us)

The little horn would pluck up 3 of the other horns Daniel 7.8

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

All fulfilled.

All the other 10 horns were dynasties, so why should not the 8th horn also be a dynasty? The Antichrist will last from the beginning of the 10 horns till the return of Christ. He will be in the place of Christ.

You said "As time goes by, the unfolding of the details of bible prophecy will become clearer and clearer. The big one to me will be we will know for certain who the little horn person is - specifically the exact individual."

The JWs call that New Light when they change their mind. I say that the prophecy has been muddied by Satan so his church can grow.

An old JW document said the New Light should not supplant old light.


You should read History Unveiling Prophecy. You can buy a reprint on Amazon or you can find a PDF download from Lutheran Library or Historicism.com
 
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All fulfilled.
Not yet, because the little horn prophecy in Daniel 8 is time of the end.


All the other 10 horns were dynasties, so why should not the 8th horn also be a dynasty? The Antichrist will last from the beginning of the 10 horns till the return of Christ. He will be in the place of Christ.
The ten horns are not dynasty's but kings who received their kingdom for one hour, to rule with the little horn person 42 months once the little horn person has become the beast-king.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
You said "As time goes by, the unfolding of the details of bible prophecy will become clearer and clearer. The big one to me will be we will know for certain who the little horn person is - specifically the exact individual."

The JWs call that New Light when they change their mind. I say that the prophecy has been muddied by Satan so his church can grow.

I don't think it is JW's who say that, but the Church of Scientology, David Miscavige.

Anyway, I am not talking about "new light". But certainty of who the time of the end little horn person is specifically.
 
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1) I didn't say he wouldnt. I said he would rule till the end and be the first into the pit.

2) The little horns were dynasties as later the Pope uprooted three of them, not the actual kings but the successors in their kingdom.

3) The kings did get power at the same time as the papacy. They recognised the popes from the start.

4) I can't see your point on Revelation 13:1

5) I was quoting "new light from memory. Here is the actual quote from Zion's Watchtower Feb 1881 p3
"A new view of truth can never contradict a former truth "New light" never extinguished older "light" but adds to it
My point being you seemed to be claiming "new light" for prophecy disregarding all former Christian interpretations and taking "new light" from Jesuits whose general is known as the Black Pope.

Jer 6:16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
 
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So don't be saying we must pass through fire.
But 1 Peter 4:12 does say we will face a test by fire. So who are you to contradict the over 70 Prophesies that say there is coming a terrible judgment/punishment by fire? Matthew 13:39-42
 
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But 1 Peter 4:12 does say we will face a test by fire. So who are you to contradict the over 70 Prophesies that say there is coming a terrible judgment/punishment by fire? Matthew 13:39-42
Peter was speaking to his fellow Christians of his day who were undergoing extreme persecution, threats of death, and martyrdom. Not every Christian experiences that.

The saying that you have coined we must pass through fire is what the priests of Molech preached, in convincing people to offer up their children as sacrifices to Molech. There is no passing through fire in Christianity. It is an abomination.

Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
 
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