The Temple and the Sacrifices.

[keras]

In Noah time civilization was so far from God that only Noah and his family cared to listen to Gods word.

Just as the worlds peoples are now and they lived very similar to how we are today. Matthew 24:38

Gods judgement coming in our day and age is just not happening until the proper time

It will come at the Appointed Day, but for us now, it will be the event which comes as a thief; unexpectedly and without warning.
But there are many indications and the preparedness of the Islamic peoples is the main one, esp Iran with nukes and rockets to deliver them.

In your wishful thinking, do you believe a rapture removal will precede that Day? If so; where does the Bible say that?

most of the prophecies you quote are from the Old Testament that concerns Israel rebirth restoration salvation and deliverance

Sure they do! Most OT Prophesies apply to Israel; the Israel of God, that is. Who are mainly. actual descendants of Jacob, exiled in 722 BC and were scattered around the world, still today and as many as the sands of the sea.
God intends to deliver them, that is why Jesus came, Matthew 15:25, and to restore them, US back to their; OUR rightful heritage.

the judgement of God falls on those denying the Father and the Son doctrine.

God will punish the wicked and kill the righteous alike, in the holy Land. Ezekiel 21:1-7
All the rest of the world will experience it and those who don't take the action of getting under shelter, as we are told: Isaiah 26:20-21, will be killed too. Isaiah 66:15, Jeremiah 25:33

 

[claninja]

it is from many sources, not soley DNA...for a start, tracing their priestly lineage through family trees, oral traditions, DNA and possessing a common priestly surname such as Cohen, Kahn, Kohane, etc...The Cohen line is patrilineal, it has been passed down from father to son over the last 3,300 years and all should also have a common set of genetic markers.

Well, from the limitations of the study, we know dna markers cannot prove lineage from Aaron. So we can rule that out dna tests.

Additionally, from the book of Ezra, we know oral tradition AND one’s name are not enough to prove lineage.

Ezra 2:62 62These men searched for their family records, but they could not find them and so were excluded from the priesthood as unclean.

According to the OT, genealogical records are required.

Are you aware of anyone that has their family records going back pre 70ad to prove lineage from Aaron?

 

[eleos1954]

Even if it was built it would be meaningless and would certainly not be something worthy of being called "the temple of God". Only something that God Himself would order to be built could be called "the temple of God" and this temple being talked about is definitely not something ordained by God as it is being planned by Christ-rejecting Jews.

Salvation is open to anyone who believes .... Jesus provided the way .... He being the only perfect final sacrifice for all for all time. IF the orthodox jews were to build a temple .... sacrifices would necessarily resume according to their belief (meaningless) .... an abomination rejecting the only perfect and final sacrifice (Jesus).

Romans 6:10​

For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.

Hebrews 9:28​

So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

 

[eleos1954]

I'm just shaking my head. What would be the purpose of such a temple? I guess you believe that animal sacrifices and offerings will be offered again for the atonement of the Israelite people?

Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 All the people of the land will be required to give this special offering to the prince in Israel. 17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings,grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

Why would this be done in the future in light of Christ's "once for all" sacrifice for the atonement of the sins of the world? That would make no sense and would be an insult to Christ's work on the cross.

Please take these words to heart:

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

Exactly .... an insult .... an abomination .... too many dismiss the spiritual and hang on to the material ....

After the death and resurrection of Jesus our relationship with God became spiritual .... we are one in Him, through Him ... not some earthly building.

All covenants are fulfilled in Jesus alone .... not through physical decendents.

Paul explains that all believers through Christ are Abraham's seed, and therefore are God's children and heirs. The old covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

 

[keras]

Exactly .... an insult .... an abomination

There will again be offerings and sacrifices in a new Temple.
Or does your Bible not have verses like Ezekiel 43:18-27, Isaiah 56:7, Jeremiah 33:18, + ?

What does those who like to tell God what He wants; think about Daniel 9:26b-27 ?, which is defiantly a Prophecy for the end times. How can the invading prince, the man of sin; 2 Thess 2:4, the beast or Revelation 13, stop the sacrifices and offerings if they have never started again?

I view the rejection and ignoring of those Bible verses to be arrogant and done only to support a false belief of how the end times will happen.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well, from the limitations of the study, we know dna markers cannot prove lineage from Aaron. So we can rule that out dna tests.

Additionally, from the book of Ezra, we know oral tradition AND one’s name are not enough to prove lineage.

Ezra 2:62 62These men searched for their family records, but they could not find them and so were excluded from the priesthood as unclean.

According to the OT, genealogical records are required.

Are you aware of anyone that has their family records going back pre 70ad to prove lineage from Aaron?

Well no we can't rule that out. It is one part of the whole...also why would you need records before 70 AD? You don't think families kept these in the diaspora? There are already priests in training for Temple service as we speak...

 

[keras]

Well no we can't rule that out. It is one part of the whole...also why would you need records before 70 AD? You don't think families kept these in the diaspora? There are already priests in training for Temple service as we speak...

We are told who the Priests will be in the new Temple: Revelation 5:10... You have made them [Christians] a royal house of Priests for God and they shall reign on earth.
Isaiah 66:21 ,,,some of them, [Christian peoples from every nation and language] I shall take as priests and Levites.

The old Jewish priests are despicable and downgraded for their sins. Malachi 2:7-9

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We are told who the Priests will be in the new Temple: Revelation 5:10... You have made them [Christians] a royal house of Priests for God and they shall reign on earth.
Isaiah 66:21 ,,,some of them, [Christian peoples from every nation and language] I shall take as priests and Levites.

The old Jewish priests are despicable and downgraded for their sins. Malachi 2:7-9

Off topic and out of context...we were discussing the 3rd JEWISH Temple with JEWISH Priests. I understand what you are trying to say but it is not what we are discussing.

 

[dfw69]

Just as the worlds peoples are now and they lived very similar to how we are today. Matthew 24:38

Keras please …there are so many souls that love Jesus and follow Him and worship Him ..we are no where near the darkness to come where Christianity will be severely under persecution by mystery Babylon

It will come at the Appointed Day, but for us now, it will be the event which comes as a thief; unexpectedly and without warning.

No where in scripture does it say Jesus comes like a thief for those who put their faith and trust in Him for salvation…

But there are many indications and the preparedness of the Islamic peoples is the main one, esp Iran with nukes and rockets to deliver them.

Iran? Mystery Babylon wants Muslim land to create greater Israel and the (false) messianic age

In your wishful thinking, do you believe a rapture removal will precede that Day? If so; where does the Bible say that?

It’s not wishful thinking any more than Joseph dreams were wishful thinking … the brethren just can’t fathom such a promise we have in the gospel .

Sure they do! Most OT Prophesies apply to Israel; the Israel of God, that is. Who are mainly. actual descendants of Jacob, exiled in 722 BC and were scattered around the world, still today and as many as the sands of the sea.
God intends to deliver them, that is why Jesus came, Matthew 15:25, and to restore them, US back to their; OUR rightful heritage.

not our heritage …we seek not earthly things but heavenly things

God will punish the wicked and kill the righteous alike, in the holy Land. Ezekiel 21:1-7
All the rest of the world will experience it and those who don't take the action of getting under shelter, as we are told: Isaiah 26:20-21, will be killed too. Isaiah 66:15, Jeremiah 25:33

that doesn’t sound like my Father to me

 

[Oseas]

I agree. But it was not Jesus speaking in the text of Revelation 12. John wrote what he saw and heard.

Regardings the woman-Revelation 12:1-5- , actually JESUS was highlighting and showing through His angel two great signs or wonders in the heavenly environment, John saw those great signs and described them / wrote the scenary that he saw simply , as follow:
Rev.12:1 - And there APPEARED a great wonder in heaven; ...
Rev.12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; ...
Rev.12:7- And there was war in heaven: ...

Revelation 22:6-12
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.

7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[Oseas]

Paul explains that all believers through Christ are Abraham's seed, and therefore are God's children and heirs. The old covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

JESUS left very clear, saying: "all the prophets and the law prophesied until John" - Matthew 11:13.

And Hebrews 1:1-3 say:
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's Person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

 

[Oseas]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Truth, that is, what really will be LITERALLY fulfilled: THERE WILL NOT BE BUILD ANY THIRD TEMPLE, BUT NEVER, neither there will be any kind of red calfs sacrifices, but a great Tribulation through the Red Dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he will be cast out into the earth, and his messengers will be cast out with him.

Its it.

Ah, the court which is without the temple it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Get ready

 

[eleos1954]

Even if it was built it would be meaningless and would certainly not be something worthy of being called "the temple of God". Only something that God Himself would order to be built could be called "the temple of God" and this temple being talked about is definitely not something ordained by God as it is being planned by Christ-rejecting Jews.

It is the temple of His body ....EVERYTHING is contained in Christ .. this is why all must go through Him.

The Supremacy of the Son
(Hebrews 1:1–14)

15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

21Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds, engaging in evil deeds. 22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence— 23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

The door of salvation is open for everyone (including non believing jews), but one must choose to enter in. The door of salvation remains open until He returns. (and I hope soon) Amen.

 

[eleos1954]

JESUS left very clear, saying: "all the prophets and the law prophesied until John" - Matthew 11:13.

And Hebrews 1:1-3 say:
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2.000 years) spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD's Person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

"(last two days or last 2.000 years)"

Seems to be this ...

Whereas, the “time of the end” begins Daniels long-range time prophecies (determined by Daniels time prophecies) as that prophecy covers from the fall of the earthly kingdom of babylon and the succession of the other kingdoms falling and up until the return of Jesus - (when the 1st resurrection happens and eternity begins for the saved (ie end of time for Gods people (the saved) because they enter into eternity at the 1st resurrection)

The time related prophecies (Daniel) have already come to pass (excluding the very last day-Jesus' return) … so now we look for signs that His return is near … but are not given a time frame. His return is not related to specific time … rather is related to the spiritual condition of earth’s inhabitants …. ie such as in Genesis when God brought the flood

Genesis 6:5 AMP

The LORD saw that the wickedness (depravity) of man was great on the earth, and that every imagination or intent of the thoughts of his heart were only evil continually.

Revelation 22

10Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near. 11Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.”

The specific time (His return) is not made known to us … but we do see much increase/increasing in wickedness in the world … so we know His time is near.

So this is where we are in the stream of time …. waiting for the return of our Lord and we do not know when that will be … only He does.

Hoping it is soon. Amen.

 

[keras]

that doesn’t sound like my Father to me

But I provided scriptures which say God will judge and punish whoever He wishes to. He is slow to anger, but the eventual outcome of His human experiment will be a people who have freely loved Him and kept His Commandments. They will be made immortal and will live in the spiritual new Jerusalem forever.

Do you not realize that unsupported rebuttals are worthless?

not our heritage …we seek not earthly things but heavenly things

Eventually: yes.
So you just want to ignore all that is Prophesied and must happen before then?

 

[dfw69]

But I provided scriptures which say God will judge and punish whoever He wishes to.

That’s your interpretation of God word not mine I disagree with you

He is slow to anger, but the eventual outcome of His human experiment

God is not a scientist nor does He think like a man does

will be a people who have freely loved Him and kept His Commandments. They will be made immortal and will live in the spiritual new Jerusalem forever.

We keep His commandments when we walk in love for one another and obey Jesus teachings not by observing the law or entering the old covenant by way of
Circumcision

We walk in the new covenant of the Spirit not according to the flesh

Eventually: yes.
So you just want to ignore all that is Prophesied and must happen before then?

Keras your the one putting the cart before the horse

The Rapture comes first then comes the time of darkness which end result is the wrath upon those in darkness who deny the Father and the Son doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Exactly .... an insult .... an abomination .... too many dismiss the spiritual and hang on to the material ....

After the death and resurrection of Jesus our relationship with God became spiritual .... we are one in Him, through Him ... not some earthly building.

All covenants are fulfilled in Jesus alone .... not through physical decendents.

Paul explains that all believers through Christ are Abraham's seed, and therefore are God's children and heirs. The old covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

I agree, but I can't figure out what it is that you actually believe, overall. You had said "But the Bible does tell of a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times". How could an abomination (something abominable to God) take place in a meaningless new physical temple?

 

[keras]

The Rapture comes first

Complete unbiblical and never said to happen anywhere in the Bible.
We all must experience the great test of our faith, as the first event of the Prophesied end times. Luke 21:25-27, Hebrews 10:30-31

 

[dfw69]

Complete unbiblical and never said to happen anywhere in the Bible.
We all must experience the great test of our faith, as the first event of the Prophesied end times. Luke 21:25-27, Hebrews 10:30-31

Test of faith? … Gods not testing us man

… does a father test his son with persecution and suffering to see if his son will love him and remain true to him?

No true father who loves his son ever does that …

Have you not ever heard the gospel how God sent His Son to suffer and die under judgement so that we can become family of God ?

 

[keras]

Test of faith? … Gods not testing us man

Try actually reading the Bible, instead of your wild and unsupported opinions:

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The work that each person does will, at the last be brought to light; the Day of judgement will expose it. For that Day dawns in fire and the fire will test the worth of each persons work. If anyone’s legacy survives, they will be rewarded, if the fire destroys it, they will have to bear the loss – yet they will escape with their life, though only by passing through the fire.

James 1:12 Happy is the person who stands firm in time of trial. If you pass safely through the time of testing, you will receive as your reward the life which God has promised to those who love Him.