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Are we subject to the Old Covenant today?

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But you don't build an ark nor sacrifice animals for your sins, so you clearly understand what my point is. =)
Actually I do not. I can't even figure out what you mean by that.
 
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So, whatever the reason, you are saying you don't follow Genesis 6:14, which is precisely my point. You are a dispensationalist as well.

Same regarding sacrificing animals for your sins, as Christ is the final sacrifice etc.
No the flood of fire is coming because God's Spirit will not always strive with man. (Gen 6:3) So gather all, 2 by 2, 7 by 7 and get in the Ark, Christ Jesus. The Temple of God. For it is being built and gets bigger and bigger with each believer. There is room for all but the path to it is straight and narrow and most won't chose it.
 
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No the flood of fire is coming because God's Spirit will not always strive with man. (Gen 6:3) So gather all, 2 by 2, 7 by 7 and get in the Ark, Christ Jesus. The Temple of God. For it is being built and gets bigger and bigger with each believer. There is room for all but the path to it is straight and narrow and most won't chose it.

You don't follow the command given in Genesis 6:14, to build an ark.

That is my point.

No idea what your "no" represents.
 
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You don't follow the command given in Genesis 6:14, to build an ark.

That is my point.

No idea what your "no" represents.
Christ’s body, the temple of God, His building, the ark is built through the ministry of His Spirit through each of those that are His. Constantly growing, a holy habitation of God through His Spirit. So no to you and the box that you are trying to fit others in. Dispensationalist? Silly labels,
 
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You mean to say, when your illness remains after prayer, God respond to you and tells you the reason why he left you sick?
Yes, if you believe, He will respond, but you don't seem to believe even when I give you real-life examples. "And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief." (Matthew 13:58)

Another relevant one: My grandmother had diabetes and had her leg amputated many years ago. She suffered greatly as a result of this. All of her children and grandchildren came to see her before she died. I was saddened to see her pain. So I prayed to God "I know you're powerful, and if you're willing, you can heal her to the point where SHE GETS HER LEG BACK. I wish you could return her LOST LEG ". That night, I had a dream about my grandmother, and she had regained her leg. I was stunned and asked how she regained her leg. She said, "It is from God," but I was terrified, thinking she was a demon. I quickly cited God's name three times to cast out this demon! "What are you shouting for?" she asked, and I awoke. Then I realized that even if God did exactly what I asked, the world, including myself, would not accept this miracle. She died a week later.

Do you recall that Sadducees are also among the people's leaders, but they do not believe in the existence of angels, even though they are clearly recorded in the scriptures they read? (Acts 23:8) Many people appear to be like them.
After Acts 28, after the diaspora of Israel rejected Christ,

2 Timothy 4:20

Philippians 2:25-26

2 Tim 4:20 - We don't know why Trophimus was left sick, but I recall Jesus purposefully letting Lazarus die before resurrecting him. We won't know Lazarus was resurrected if the disciples end the gospel book before Jesus resurrected him.

Phi 2:25-30 - Epaphroditus was on the verge of death, as mentioned in v27, and it was recorded that God had mercy on him, sparing Paul from grief. v28 says to send him so the people can see and rejoice. So Paul let the people rejoice over his nearly dead body, or a healed body that escaped death because of the mentioned God's mercy that 'spared Paul from sorrow'?
 
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Yes, if you believe, He will respond, but you don't seem to believe even when I give you real-life examples. "And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief." (Matthew 13:58)

Another relevant one: My grandmother had diabetes and had her leg amputated many years ago. She suffered greatly as a result of this. All of her children and grandchildren came to see her before she died. I was saddened to see her pain. So I prayed to God "I know you're powerful, and if you're willing, you can heal her to the point where SHE GETS HER LEG BACK. I wish you could return her LOST LEG ". That night, I had a dream about my grandmother, and she had regained her leg. I was stunned and asked how she regained her leg. She said, "It is from God," but I was terrified, thinking she was a demon. I quickly cited God's name three times to cast out this demon! "What are you shouting for?" she asked, and I awoke. Then I realized that even if God did exactly what I asked, the world, including myself, would not accept this miracle. She died a week later.

Do you recall that Sadducees are also among the people's leaders, but they do not believe in the existence of angels, even though they are clearly recorded in the scriptures they read? (Acts 23:8) Many people appear to be like them.

2 Tim 4:20 - We don't know why Trophimus was left sick, but I recall Jesus purposefully letting Lazarus die before resurrecting him. We won't know Lazarus was resurrected if the disciples end the gospel book before Jesus resurrected him.

Phi 2:25-30 - Epaphroditus was on the verge of death, as mentioned in v27, and it was recorded that God had mercy on him, sparing Paul from grief. v28 says to send him so the people can see and rejoice. So Paul let the people rejoice over his nearly dead body, or a healed body that escaped death because of the mentioned God's mercy that 'spared Paul from sorrow'?
You have really made me curious. Why, even in a dream would you consider your grandmother's reply that she was healed by a miracle to have been made by a demon? They would be far more likely to have done just the opposite just to cause pain, suffering and confusion.
 
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I'm not sure whether you got what I was saying. Purim was created by men, but the question is whether God rejects or accepts it. Your point of view is that God rejected it, but this record is listed in the Jewish scriptures, which form the OT. Granted, but did God ever say in the New Testament that keeping the Sabbath means going to church, praying, and singing hymns, or are these man-made commandments? Otherwise, how can you keep the Sabbath today that is not based on man-made commandments? Please answer.

I cannot help it if men refuse to care enough about God-breathed Scriptures to try and understand them. I never hear you guys mocking or questioning Jesus for saying that unless a person eats His Flesh, they have no life in them. I never hear you guys ask believers, "You say you obey the Christ, do you also eat His Flesh"? But I always hear you guys ask believers, "You say you obey God, but do you slaughter animals?"

I never hear you guys even mention Paul's teaching to both Jew and Gentile in 1 Cor. 9, when he explained that God's LAW, even the least of His Commandments, "For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?" Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope., was written specifically for the Body of Christ after Christ's Ascension.

Even for people who don't own a field of corn, or an OX to tend it.

It is this hubris and hypocrisy which caused me to question the religion you guys promote, and study to find out how this can be. Then I found the warnings of the Christ of the Bible, about the many coming in Christ's Name to deceive. That explains why there are so many differing religious sects and philosophies in the world God placed me in.

That explains the hypocrisy and partiality in the Law promoted by "many" who call Jesus, Lord, Lord.

Regarding Solomons Temple, because of this same "selective use" of scriptures for self-justification, men miss the entire point of this story.

1 Kings 9: 1 And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do, 2 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon. 3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 "Then" I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: 7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; "and this house", which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house? 9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

But Stephen understood perfectly.

Acts 7: 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Hypocrisy is when you say in Deu 4:2 that the scripture cannot be added or subtracted from in Mosaic law, but then you change the interpretation of Ex 29:1-4 while selectively keeping the tradition of clean and unclean animals in Mosaic law. Hypocrisy is also like you pushing the new idea of 'the law of pharisees,' even though we know the title 'pharisees' is much like the 'pastors/preachers' in our time, teaching about the law in the scripture, which Jesus also acknowledges seating at Moses' seat. (Matt 23:2)

Hypocrisy is also rejecting the reality that God accepted David's physical temple, which was originally initiated out of his men's will, but deviating from the questions and saying something we all already knew.
You do to my words what you do to Gods. You twist them to promote some foolishness that isn't there.

I simply pointed out the Biblical Fact that the Christ, who became a man, existed as the Rock of Israel, before becoming a man.
You can't answer the question, so you accuse others of twisting God's words. You just pointed a scriptural contraction that you couldn't explain.
Please read a verse before the list of sacrifices when quoting Lev 14:11. Jesus told him to bring the offerings. If Jesus mentions them as priests, they are priests whom Jesus recognized. Otherwise, you're testifying that Jesus is lying, which you clearly did to defend your "Pharisee's tradition" notions.
Answer me this: what do you need to do on the NT Sabbath (if) the scripture instructs you to do so? My next immediate question will be, are all those listed as commandments by scripture or man-made traditions taught as doctrines?
 
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You have really made me curious. Why, even in a dream would you consider your grandmother's reply that she was healed by a miracle to have been made by a demon? They would be far more likely to have done just the opposite just to cause pain, suffering and confusion.
I have no idea why either. But even if she is truly restored, I don't think I have the faith to believe it because I've never heard of anyone regaining a lost limb. Actually, that was one of the first few instances in which I received a response, so I was confused as well. Thanks for asking.
 
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I have no idea why either. But even if she is truly restored, I don't think I have the faith to believe it because I've never heard of anyone regaining a lost limb. Actually, that was one of the first few instances in which I received a response, so I was confused as well. Thanks for asking.
You're welcome for the question. :D

Then your prayer could never have been answered because Jesus told the two blind beggars before He healed them that their healing would be according to their faith.
 
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Christ’s body, the temple of God, His building, the ark is built through the ministry of His Spirit through each of those that are His. Constantly growing, a holy habitation of God through His Spirit. So no to you and the box that you are trying to fit others in. Dispensationalist? Silly labels,

You don't take Genesis 6:14 as instructions written TO you, for whatever reason.

You would agree with that statement?
 
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Yes, if you believe, He will respond

But he has already responded thru the Apostle Paul writing to you as YOUR apostle (Romans 11:13) in those 2 passages I have given you.

Romans 8

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

2 Corinthians 4

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I would say this "If you want to hear God speak to you today, read Romans to Philemon. If you want to hear God speak audibly, read Romans to Philemon out loud.”

You get my point?
 
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You're welcome for the question. :D

Then your prayer could never have been answered because Jesus told the two blind beggars before He healed them that their healing would be according to their faith.
True in the sense that, like Paul with his thorn, God never agreed to my request, but thank God, I did receive a response.
 
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I would say this "If you want to hear God speak to you today, read Romans to Philemon. If you want to hear God speak audibly, read Romans to Philemon out loud.”

You get my point?
When was the Bible made a canon? Is it not a few hundred years after the apostles died? So how did God talk to believers before the Bible was made a canon?

The letters say that Elijah is a human like us (Jam 5:17), and Paul said he hoped that everyone would be able to prophesy (1 Cor 14:5). The whole Bible is about life, and life is made up of actions, interactions, and reactions.

1 John 5: 14 And this is the confidence that we have before Him: If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we already possess what we have asked of Him.
 
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No the flood of fire is coming because God's Spirit will not always strive with man. (Gen 6:3) So gather all, 2 by 2, 7 by 7 and get in the Ark, Christ Jesus. The Temple of God. For it is being built and gets bigger and bigger with each believer. There is room for all but the path to it is straight and narrow and most won't chose it.
Good point.

Only those in the ark were saved, there is room for everyone. What else is in the ark that God wrote and spoke?
 
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True in the sense that, like Paul with his thorn, God never agreed to my request, but thank God, I did receive a response.
The response you received is typical coming from a dispensationalist. It's too bad too, but it is what their theology leads them to do.
 
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When was the Bible made a canon? Is it not a few hundred years after the apostles died? So how did God talk to believers before the Bible was made a canon?

The letters say that Elijah is a human like us (Jam 5:17), and Paul said he hoped that everyone would be able to prophesy (1 Cor 14:5). The whole Bible is about life, and life is made up of actions, interactions, and reactions.

1 John 5: 14 And this is the confidence that we have before Him: If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we already possess what we have asked of Him.

God spoke directly.to them, in a clear voice.
 
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