Are we subject to the Old Covenant today?

[Gary K]

You can of course think about it, but my point is, it does not rule out the possibility that, in this period of grace, God is simply silent.

That is perhaps why 1 Corinthians 13:13 states, "And now abideth faith hope and charity"

I know you addressed this to someone else, but why would you think this way? Do you not think these are the end times?

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

God sent John the Baptist to prepare the way for Jesus. Malachi said the following:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Joel said this:

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

 

[Cornelius8L]

So your answer to my question is No?

My quick answer is no. To begin, unlike cancer, this covid is self-curable. To take it a step further, if God can heal the blind or the lame, we should examine ourselves rather than comfort ourselves when God does not answer our prayers. Jesus, too, pleaded with God to spare him death, and God responded by sending an angel to strengthen Him (Luke 22:43).

My entire family caught covid at one point, and I was in constant contact with them all, sharing meals with them all. The following evening, I developed a severe sore throat and began coughing. After a while, I had the thought that I should pray to God to heal me. During the prayer, the phrase "mind and heart" came to mind, which I immediately understood to mean that I can force my mind to believe that I have faith in God, but my heart may betray me (Jer 17:9–10). Then I realized that I could not control my heart to believe unless I had the gift of the Holy Spirit, faith (1 Cor 12:9). In response, I prayed to God for faith so that my heart would truly believe in His power. In that split second, I was completely healed. One might wonder why God did not just let me be asymptomatic from the start. Who knows? Is this something for a story about God being real and alive?

And don't you think it is risky for me, who is still alive today, to say God answers? Won't I be concerned that God will no longer respond to me after I say this in public? Under normal circumstances, any human, including myself, would. But, since God has responded so many times in my life, I can not pretend He has not done what He did. If the first step is into the sea, as Peter did with Jesus in front of him, we should have faith that God will take care of the rest. Even if we fall into the sea after our first step of faith, we have hope that Jesus will raise us with His hand, as He did Peter, because all things work together for those who love God. (Rom 8:28, Matt 10:32)

And we have no need to be concerned about offending someone by saying God did not respond to them, but rather to encourage one another to have faith because we know God is real. If we are afraid that others will hate us, Jesus says we are not His disciples.

 

[Cornelius8L]

How does that answer my question?

15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.




Again, who is the "WE" here? Are they all the Preachers from Every religious sect of this world who calls Jesus Lord, Lord? Or the "Servants of God's Righteousness" that the New Man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. becomes?




So how do I know if I know God or not? I posted the Test given by the Spirit of Christ Himself, and you didn't even acknowledge it. Why?

So lets examine ourselves then.

Did the Jesus of the Bible create an image of His God in the Likeness of some long-haired handsome man? NO! That would be a Sin against God who said;

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

Does this world's religions create and promote an image of their God in the Likeness of man? There is no question that they do.

Did the Jesus of the Bible create HIS Own Sabbath? NO! Because that would be a SIN against God who said;

Duet 4: 1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Does this worlds religions create their own Sabbath, or diminish God's sabbath? There is no question that they do.

Did the Jesus of the Bible walk in manmade religious high days of the world God placed HIM in? NO! Because that would be a Sin against God.

Duet. 12: 30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. 32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Do the religions of this world, who come in Christ's Name, promote manmade high days? There is no question that they do. They reject God's Feasts, so that they can preserve and promote their own religious high days.

So then, shall I SIN because it is popular with this world's religions? Paul answers;

Rom. 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I once adopted the Traditions, Sabbaths and high days and religious philosophies created by this world's religions as did my fathers, and theirs before them. But I "examined myself" and found that I myself, "Full well ye rejected the commandment of God, that I may keep my own adopted tradition." And believing in the Words of the Christ of the Bible, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." I left this world's religions and followed "Way of the Lord" as taught and walked in by Paul and the Christ of the Bible.

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (God's Righteousness, not my own, or this worlds.)



5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

It is because I examine myself, that I don't walk in the traditions and doctrines of the religions of this world God placed me in. If the Christ is in me, why would I cause Him to serve Sin by this world's religious traditions?

This same Christ, the Holy One of Israel, explains this to me, "where HE was before" becoming a man, about others who called Him their God, but walked in the ways of the world.

Is. 43: 24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. 25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. 26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. 27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

It is this Christ that I believe in.

2 Pet. 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.



Your preaching notwithstanding, Jesus was most concerned with the influence of the religions of this world. And disobedience to God is not Faith in God.

If a man "yields themselves" servants to obey the religious doctrines and traditions of this world's "many" religious sects and businesses then they will "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.". The man that does this is not "Walking, even as Jesus walked".

Do you think Jesus rejected Purim? Esther 9:20-22. Was Purim instituted by God or by Mordecai or Esther? Is John the Baptist's baptism man-made or God's instruction before Jesus came to adopt it? If it was from God, why did the Apostles say it was not the right baptism and that they needed to be rebaptized? Did God ever demand a physical temple from David? Or is it David's own will to build the physical temple that God later accepted?

Your example of using Jesus' portrait is similar to the saying that those who do not use the correct pronunciation "Yeshua" are blaspheming God because Jesus is a Jew, which leads to what I meant by irrelevant talks that Paul told us to disregard but you put a lot of emphasis on.

Regarding the Sabbath, Jesus stated that the Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath, but does the Mosaic law state this? And Jesus's existence removed sacrificial/offerings, but did the mosaic law ever say these can be removed? Jesus moved things forward, but you preach backward, with flaws for endless debates.

What I meant was that the Bible cautioned us not to be too quick to judge. Just as I may not have felt your pain or losses fully, you may not have felt them fully in their days. God's servant of righteousness has God answering their prayers to prove their righteousness. The test is God's reaction, or do you think the believers in the Apostolic era, who still needed scribes to read the scriptures for the people, were all literate? How could they test the way you suggested if they were illiterate? We will discover all of these facts by exercising empathy.

Now, my stand. I thank God that they turned those high-days into "holy"-days. When invited, I celebrate with them, just as I eat pork, because I am not subject to the law mentioned in Rom 6:15. And how I wish they would create 365 "holy" days so we wouldn't have to work at all.

According to the Bible, "it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. (2 Cor 10:18)" So, how does the Lord commend us if not by doing what He promised He would do, as a living God, not a mute god, in response to our faithfulness to Him?

 

[Guojing]

My quick answer is no. To begin, unlike cancer, this covid is self-curable. To take it a step further, if God can heal the blind or the lame, we should examine ourselves rather than comfort ourselves when God does not answer our prayers. Jesus, too, pleaded with God to spare him death, and God responded by sending an angel to strengthen Him (Luke 22:43).

Interesting, haven't you realized that the Apostle Paul never promised any of us in the Body of Christ that God will heal us when we pray to him?

Instead, he tells us Romans 8:18-25 and 2 Corinthians 4:16-18, that complete healing is only guaranteed when we received our perfect body.

 

[Guojing]

I know you addressed this to someone else, but why would you think this way? Do you not think these are the end times?

I happened to believe in the pre-trib rapture of the Body of Christ, so that is why I think that way. =)

 

[Studyman]

Do you think Jesus rejected Purim? Esther 9:20-22. Was Purim instituted by God or by Mordecai or Esther?

Of course HE did. It was one of the Commandments of men He said they taught for doctrines.

Is John the Baptist's baptism man-made or God's instruction before Jesus came to adopt it? If it was from God, why did the Apostles say it was not the right baptism and that they needed to be rebaptized?

John, a true Levite Priest of God, was exposing the children of the devil and did not partake of their temple or their traditions. John knew the Priesthood was Prophesied to change and passed the Priesthood to the Prophesied Christ.

Ex. 29: 4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

John was preparing men for the New Priest of God, under a different Order, AKA, "the New Covenant".

Matt. 3: 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Did God ever demand a physical temple from David? Or is it David's own will to build the physical temple that God later accepted?

Acts 7: 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

God does not instruct men to build shrines of worship with wood and stone.

Your example of using Jesus' portrait is similar to the saying that those who do not use the correct pronunciation "Yeshua" are blaspheming God because Jesus is a Jew, which leads to what I meant by irrelevant talks that Paul told us to disregard but you put a lot of emphasis on.

It's an image of God, not a portrait of God.

Regarding the Sabbath, Jesus stated that the Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath, but does the Mosaic law state this?

In my understanding, Jesus created all things that were created, before becoming a man. In your religion, is HE not the Holy One of Israel, the Rock that watered and fed them?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; (Even Abraham's Time) from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Ex. 31: 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Is this not the Christ who God Sent? Truly HE is Lord, Even of the Sabbath Days.

And Jesus's existence removed sacrificial/offerings, but did the mosaic law ever say these can be removed? Jesus moved things forward, but you preach backward, with flaws for endless debates.

Sir, the Prophesies of the Christ and the New Priesthood are all over the Law and Prophets.

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Ps. 40: 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Gen. 22: 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Is. 53: 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

And even in the Promise of the New Covenant, the Levitical Priesthood with its sacrificial "works of the LAW" are changed.

Jer. 31: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Where are the Son's of Levi who were tasked with giving the Law, and providing for the forgiveness of sins?

Zacharias understood this, and so did Simeon and Anna. (Luke 1,2) Just because I also understand this is no reason for anger towards me.

What I meant was that the Bible cautioned us not to be too quick to judge. Just as I may not have felt your pain or losses fully, you may not have felt them fully in their days. God's servant of righteousness has God answering their prayers to prove their righteousness. The test is God's reaction, or do you think the believers in the Apostolic era, who still needed scribes to read the scriptures for the people, were all literate? How could they test the way you suggested if they were illiterate? We will discover all of these facts by exercising empathy.

The Bible cautions us about "many" who come in HIS name as well. It is Paul who teaches the importance of Scriptures to the Body of Christ for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I have just come to believe all that is written.

Now, my stand. I thank God that they turned those high-days into "holy"-days. When invited, I celebrate with them, just as I eat pork, because I am not subject to the law mentioned in Rom 6:15. And how I wish they would create 365 "holy" days so we wouldn't have to work at all.

Well, it seems you already have. My stand is that man can't create a high day from a Pagan observance, place Jesus Name on it, and make it Holy. And man can't make clean, what wasn't created clean.

My whole point is that the Law and Prophets is where the Righteousness of God and the wrath of God against all unrighteousness of men is revealed. Not this world's manmade shrines of worship, or some popular religious sect or franchise.

We disagree based on what is written, as Jesus Himself instructs. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

According to the Bible, "it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. (2 Cor 10:18)" So, how does the Lord commend us if not by doing what He promised He would do, as a living God, not a mute god, in response to our faithfulness to Him?

Jesus said we would know a man, and who he serves, based on his works. In fact, HE Inspired it to be written how I CAN KNOW if I'm deceived or if I truly "Know Him".

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

But men don't really believe much of what is written it seems, choosing instead to establish their own righteousness, apart from God's. Does it matter? I guess that depends on who we listen to.

 

[Leaf473]

John, a true Levite Priest of God, was exposing the children of the devil and did not partake of their temple or their traditions.

Do you believe John kept this instruction?

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34:23 - New International Reader's Version

Three times a year all your men must come to worship me. I am your LORD and King, the God of Israel.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Cornelius8L]

Interesting, haven't you realized that the Apostle Paul never promised any of us in the Body of Christ that God will heal us when we pray to him?

Instead, he tells us Romans 8:18-25 and 2 Corinthians 4:16-18, that complete healing is only guaranteed when we received our perfect body.

I believe it was Jesus, not Paul, who promised, and He promised things beyond healing. Did not the Apostle Paul say that healing is also a gift of HS? (1 Cor 12:9) Jam 5:14 also mentions this. Anyway, what I was attempting to convey was that God is not completely silent. When Paul prayed to God to remove the thorn, He refused, as I mentioned in my previous post (based on 2 Corinthians 12:8), but He did not completely ignore him by not responding. I was implying that God will respond even if He does not agree with our request. And because He responded, Rom 8:18-25 and 2 Cor 4:16-18 have meaning for Paul during their time of persecution, not in a peaceful times like ours.

 

[Guojing]

I was implying that God will respond even if He does not agree with our request.

If you are truly implying that, why would you then say No to this clarifying question of mine?

Even if that illness continues, say the case of covid-19, if I feel peace in my heart, following vs 7, can I count that as a response from God?

Not agreeing with our request is not equivalent to that illness continues?

 

[Guojing]

Did not the Apostle Paul say that healing is also a gift of HS? (1 Cor 12:9)

In the letters he wrote after Acts 28, he left people sick, sick until death, asked Timothy to drink wine for his illness.

In those letters, he no longer had miracle healing handkerchiefs, consistent with what he said in 1 Cor 13.

 

[Cornelius8L]

Of course HE did. It was one of the Commandments of men He said they taught for doctrines.


John, a true Levite Priest of God, was exposing the children of the devil and did not partake of their temple or their traditions. John knew the Priesthood was Prophesied to change and passed the Priesthood to the Prophesied Christ.

Ex. 29: 4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

John was preparing men for the New Priest of God, under a different Order, AKA, "the New Covenant".

Matt. 3: 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


Acts 7: 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

God does not instruct men to build shrines of worship with wood and stone.

So, the book of Esther is not a God-breathed scripture? When quoting Ex 29:4, remember to include the sacrifices of a young bull and two rams mentioned in Ex 29:1-2, as well as the unleavened cakes mixed with oil. It is not appropriate to export only one step of the entire procedure. And did God reject David and Solomon's good will in 2 Chr 7:1-3 regarding the temple?

In my understanding, Jesus created all things that were created, before becoming a man. In your religion, is HE not the Holy One of Israel, the Rock that watered and fed them?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; (Even Abraham's Time) from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Ex. 31: 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Is this not the Christ who God Sent? Truly HE is Lord, Even of the Sabbath Days.

So you are claiming that the Lord was born of mankind because Jesus was born through Mary and referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" rather than the statement "I AM."

Sir, the Prophesies of the Christ and the New Priesthood are all over the Law and Prophets.

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Ps. 40: 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Gen. 22: 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Is. 53: 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

And even in the Promise of the New Covenant, the Levitical Priesthood with its sacrificial "works of the LAW" are changed.

Jer. 31: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Where are the Son's of Levi who were tasked with giving the Law, and providing for the forgiveness of sins?

Zacharias understood this, and so did Simeon and Anna. (Luke 1,2) Just because I also understand this is no reason for anger towards me.

And did you know that Jesus follows Moses' sacrifice/offering law as well? ““Do not tell anyone,” Jesus instructed him. “But go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering Moses prescribed for your cleansing, as a testimony to them.”” (Luke 5:14)

The Bible cautions us about "many" who come in HIS name as well. It is Paul who teaches the importance of Scriptures to the Body of Christ for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I have just come to believe all that is written.



Well, it seems you already have. My stand is that man can't create a high day from a Pagan observance, place Jesus Name on it, and make it Holy. And man can't make clean, what wasn't created clean.

My whole point is that the Law and Prophets is where the Righteousness of God and the wrath of God against all unrighteousness of men is revealed. Not this world's manmade shrines of worship, or some popular religious sect or franchise.

We disagree based on what is written, as Jesus Himself instructs. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."


Jesus said we would know a man, and who he serves, based on his works. In fact, HE Inspired it to be written how I CAN KNOW if I'm deceived or if I truly "Know Him".

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

But men don't really believe much of what is written it seems, choosing instead to establish their own righteousness, apart from God's. Does it matter? I guess that depends on who we listen to.

I agree with you on the point about examining the scriptures. I'm saying that 'the word proceeded from the mouth of God' affirmed that God will confirm our way by His response to us. And my understanding of His commandment is the whole truth, not just a little here and a little there.

 

[Cornelius8L]

If you are truly implying that, why would you then say No to this clarifying question of mine?



Not agreeing with our request is not equivalent to that illness continues?

I mean he will respond rather than ignore. Yes, if He responded with a reason for allowing the illness to continue. No, if he simply ignores it without responding.

In the letters he wrote after Acts 28, he left people sick, sick until death, asked Timothy to drink wine for his illness.

In those letters, he no longer had miracle healing handkerchiefs, consistent with what he said in 1 Cor 13.

I thought he healed Publius' father and the others in Acts 28:8-9? Was it mentioned that He left people sick and dying?

 

[Guojing]

I mean he will respond rather than ignore. Yes, if He responded with a reason for allowing the illness to continue. No, if he simply ignores it without responding.

You mean to say, when your illness remains after prayer, God respond to you and tells you the reason why he left you sick?

Was it mentioned that He left people sick and dying?

After Acts 28, after the diaspora of Israel rejected Christ,

2 Timothy 4:20

Philippians 2:25-26​

 

[Gary K]

I happened to believe in the pre-trib rapture of the Body of Christ, so that is why I think that way. =)

You do know that dispensationalism and futurism was invented by a Spanish Jesuit priest don't you?

https://www.goodshepherds.net/home/180005716/180005716/Images/Futurism%20-and-%20Dispensationalism-%20Rapid%20Rise%20(Bivens).pdf

 

[Studyman]

Do you believe John kept this instruction?

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34:23 - New International Reader's Version

Three times a year all your men must come to worship me. I am your LORD and King, the God of Israel.

www.biblegateway.com

John was a Levite Priest, administering before God in the Priesthood Covenant God gave to Levi. In the Old Priesthood, to come before God in HIS Holy Feasts, was to present yourself to the Levite Priest who offered the sacrifices of the people to God. He was Prophesied to "prepare the Way of the Lord" knowing the Priesthood was prophesied to change, and HE facilitated the change in accordance to the Law.

Ex. 40: 12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. 13 And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

John knew who the Christ was.

Matt. 3: 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. ( according to the Law of the Priesthood)14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matt. 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 

[Leaf473]

John was a Levite Priest, administering before God in the Priesthood Covenant God gave to Levi. In the Old Priesthood, to come before God in HIS Holy Feasts, was to present yourself to the Levite Priest who offered the sacrifices of the people to God. He was Prophesied to "prepare the Way of the Lord" knowing the Priesthood was prophesied to change, and HE facilitated the change in accordance to the Law.

Ex. 40: 12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. 13 And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

John knew who the Christ was.

Matt. 3: 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. ( according to the Law of the Priesthood)14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matt. 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

The priesthood hadn't changed yet, had it?

 

[Guojing]

You do know that dispensationalism and futurism was invented by a Spanish Jesuit priest don't you?

https://www.goodshepherds.net/home/180005716/180005716/Images/Futurism%20-and-%20Dispensationalism-%20Rapid%20Rise%20(Bivens).pdf

How is the ark building going on for you now?

If you are not building an ark now, despite Genesis 6:14, you are a dispensationalist even if you don't admit it.

 

[HIM]

How is the ark building going on for you now?

If you are not building an ark now, despite Genesis 6:14, you are a dispensationalist even if you don't admit it.

Christ is the Ark. We who are His have entered into Him and He in us.

 

[Studyman]

So, the book of Esther is not a God-breathed scripture?

No, your interpretation is not a God-breathed scripture. But Esther made it clear who created the feast of Purim.

Est. 9: 18 But the Jews that were at Shushan assembled together on the thirteenth day thereof, and on the fourteenth thereof; and on the fifteenth day of the same they rested, and made it a day of feasting and gladness.

19 Therefore the Jews of the villages, that dwelt in the unwalled towns, made the fourteenth day of the month Adar a day of gladness and feasting, and a good day, and of sending portions one to another.

Whereas the God-breathed scriptures say about HIS Feasts. "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Thus confirming what Jesus said and I posted, but you don't believe. Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

When quoting Ex 29:4, remember to include the sacrifices of a young bull and two rams mentioned in Ex 29:1-2, as well as the unleavened cakes mixed with oil. It is not appropriate to export only one step of the entire procedure. And did God reject David and Solomon's good will in 2 Chr 7:1-3 regarding the temple?

I cannot help it if men refuse to care enough about God-breathed Scriptures to try and understand them. I never hear you guys mocking or questioning Jesus for saying that unless a person eats His Flesh, they have no life in them. I never hear you guys ask believers, "You say you obey the Christ, do you also eat His Flesh"? But I always hear you guys ask believers, "You say you obey God, but do you slaughter animals?"

I never hear you guys even mention Paul's teaching to both Jew and Gentile in 1 Cor. 9, when he explained that God's LAW, even the least of His Commandments, "For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?" Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope., was written specifically for the Body of Christ after Christ's Ascension.

Even for people who don't own a field of corn, or an OX to tend it.

It is this hubris and hypocrisy which caused me to question the religion you guys promote, and study to find out how this can be. Then I found the warnings of the Christ of the Bible, about the many coming in Christ's Name to deceive. That explains why there are so many differing religious sects and philosophies in the world God placed me in.

That explains the hypocrisy and partiality in the Law promoted by "many" who call Jesus, Lord, Lord.

Regarding Solomons Temple, because of this same "selective use" of scriptures for self-justification, men miss the entire point of this story.

1 Kings 9: 1 And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do, 2 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon. 3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 "Then" I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: 7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; "and this house", which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house? 9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

But Stephen understood perfectly.

Acts 7: 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

So you are claiming that the Lord was born of mankind because Jesus was born through Mary and referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" rather than the statement "I AM."

You do to my words what you do to Gods. You twist them to promote some foolishness that isn't there.

I simply pointed out the Biblical Fact that the Christ, who became a man, existed as the Rock of Israel, before becoming a man.

And did you know that Jesus follows Moses' sacrifice/offering law as well? ““Do not tell anyone,” Jesus instructed him. “But go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering Moses prescribed for your cleansing, as a testimony to them.”” (Luke 5:14)

Luke 5: 12 And it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold a man full of leprosy: who seeing Jesus fell on his face, and besought him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. 13 And he put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will: be thou clean. And immediately the leprosy departed from him. 14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Do you know what the Cleansed Leper was to offer, according to the Law of the Leper?

Lev. 14: 11 And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:

In your zeal to discredit those who would question your religious philosophy, you have missed why Jesus sent this man to the Mainstream Preachers of His Time. Like Jesus said, "As a Testimony unto them". Would they go find the Priest that "maketh this man clean"?

I agree with you on the point about examining the scriptures. I'm saying that 'the word proceeded from the mouth of God' affirmed that God will confirm our way by His response to us. And my understanding of His commandment is the whole truth, not just a little here and a little there.

That's what you preach. But the God-breathed Scriptures teach something else.

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[Studyman]

Christ is the Ark. We who are His have entered into Him and He in us.

But the Jesus of the Bible does say;

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These men most certainly believed they were "In Christ". And yet, because they worked iniquity (Transgression of God's Commandments) Jesus says they were not in Him at all. This same Christ goes on to say;

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock ( is this not in a sense, an Ark?) 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,

I don't think Jesus used these terms by coincidence.

and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Both of these men hear the Christ and are doing works. It seems prudent to consider the difference between these two types of men, in my view.


For me, this parable reminds me of the teaching of the Christ that "men love darkness". He goes on to describe two kinds of men, those who hide themselves from parts of the Light, which I understand as the Word of God, for the express purpose of preserving their darkness. And another type of man, who comes to the Light for the express purpose of exposing the darkness he knows is there. (I believe, help me in my unbelief)

Good stuff to be sure.