Is the Earth Flat?

[Lost4words]

Why stop at creation, why not apply that to a person spending three days in the belly of a fish, floating axe heads, parting of the waters of Red Sea, people walking on water, people being raised from the dead, people being taken away and appearing miles away from their original location all which go against science.

May be you do, you might need a Jefferson Bible.

Jesus spoke in parables....that ring a bell with you my friend?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Why stop at creation, why not apply that to a person spending three days in the belly of a fish, floating axe heads, parting of the waters of Red Sea, people walking on water, people being raised from the dead, people being taken away and appearing miles away from their original location all which go against science.

May be you do, you might need a Jefferson Bible.

That all or nothing view does not do justice to the complex and many layered nature of scripture. It takes discernment to differentiate literal from figurative. And we all know there is plenty of disagreement on interpretations. And yet no one is plucking their eyes out or cutting off their hands.

Matthew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to [b]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [c]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

 

[d taylor]

Jesus spoke in parables....that ring a bell with you my friend?

"Jesus spoke in parables" really what does that have to do with creation accounts in the Bible being literally true.

Do you even understand the purpose of Jesus speaking in parables and when Jesus began to speak in parables.

 

[trophy33]

Why stop at creation, why not apply that to a person spending three days in the belly of a fish, floating axe heads, parting of the waters of Red Sea, people walking on water, people being raised from the dead, people being taken away and appearing miles away from their original location all which go against science.

May be you do, you might need a Jefferson Bible.

This is obviously a logical fallacy.

Its like claiming "we cannot say that the public library has also books for children and fiction, because it would mean everything it has is a fiction!".

 

[Lost4words]

"Jesus spoke in parables" really what does that have to do with creation accounts in the Bible being literally true.

Do you even understand the purpose of Jesus speaking in parables and when Jesus began to speak in parables.

I think there is a lot about scriptures that you dont understand my friend. That, is plainly obvious!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

This is obviously a logical fallacy.

Its like claiming "we cannot say that the public library has also books for children and fiction, because it would mean everything it has is a fiction!".

Somehow even worse. We are not just claiming literal 6 day creation a few thousand years ago. We are taking it to extremes of flat Earth and solid dome. Like every book for children and fiction must be literally historically true.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well stars are not light years away, so call that what you want. Deceived men of science stating their beliefs, that they actually believe to be true, but actually is not.

They very much are and it can be measure geometrically. Denying it doesn't make it false.

 

[d taylor]

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Like i have said before, this is not like giving your opinion on whether Rembrandt is better than Rubens or what is the best sports team. Truth will be revealed one day in future about God's creation and i am 100% confident that the creation account is a literal account.

So if you are confident in your science belief, just hang on to that belief we will find out.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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Like i have said before, this is not like giving your opinion on whether Rembrandt is better than Rubens or what is the best sports team. Truth will be revealed one day in future about God's creation and i am 100% confident that the creation account is a literal account.

Your confidence is poorly placed. Almost everyone understands the shape of the Earth, and everyone with the means to make the measurements find that the Earth is round and space is very very big.

So if you are confident in your science belief, just hang on to that belief we will find out.

I do every time I fly to the other side of the planet or depend on satellite navigation or schedule a meeting with someone many time zones away.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Truth will be revealed one day in future about God's creation and i am 100% confident that the creation account is a literal account.

I can appreciate your need to be confident in a literal interpretation. I just don't share it.

 

[Lost4words]

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Like i have said before, this is not like giving your opinion on whether Rembrandt is better than Rubens or what is the best sports team. Truth will be revealed one day in future about God's creation and i am 100% confident that the creation account is a literal account.

So if you are confident in your science belief, just hang on to that belief we will find out.

Problem is, you interpret scripture in your very own unique way.

I believe in God 100% yet, i dont see a flat earth in scripture! I dont interpret God's word to say the earth is flat.

 

[JSRG]

Why exactly do you think its important to believe in a literal reading of the creation story, when it contradicts the scientific evidence, when it requires believing in a massive conspiracy for centuries (even from Christian astronomers) and in all countries, when its not needed for the theological message of the story and when it changes nothing about Christianity?

I don't think the question is even whether one should accept a literal interpretation of the creation story. Answers In Genesis is an organization specifically devoted to arguing that the creation story in the Bible is absolutely literal and not figurative. They still say the Flat Earth idea is nonsense:

Is the Earth Flat?

The earth could be both round and flat, if it were disk-shaped. Have we all been fed a whopping lie about the true shape of the earth?

answersingenesis.org

Does the Bible Teach that the Earth is Flat?

In this article, I will examine many of the biblical passages that supposedly teach that the earth is flat, and I will show that in fact they do not.

answersingenesis.org

 

[prodromos]

I am in complete awe of our creator when I understand the immense vastness of the universe and the incredible manner in which all matter interacts, especially for the dizzying number of coincidences necessary for our planet to be habitable.

Flat earth cosmologists in comparison, believe in a much lesser god, one who basically just built a container and sealed everything inside.

My God is awesome, and is absolutely worthy of all worship and honour. Their god is rather pathetic in comparison.

 

[HantsUK]

I am in complete awe of our creator when I understand the immense vastness of the universe and the incredible manner in which all matter interacts, especially for the dizzying number of coincidences necessary for our planet to be habitable.

Flat earth cosmologists in comparison, believe in a much lesser god, one who basically just built a container and sealed everything inside.

My God is awesome, and is absolutely worthy of all worship and honour. Their god is rather pathetic in comparison.

Agreed.

Science is the study of God's creation. If God created "the heavens and the earth" - what we now call "the universe", then what is revealed in Scripture and what is revealed in creation will agree.

God thought his creation was good, was very good:

"And God saw that it was good" - Gen 1v10, 12, 18, 25.
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good" Gen 1v31

Psalm 19 "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

As Christians, we have a reason and basis for science. However science cannot answer why we exist or give any purpose for our existence.

A flat earth interpretation of Genesis does not just lead to a lesser creation, it means that the universe around us is deceptive. What we observe is incompatible with the earth being flat. Worse - this implies that God is deceptive.

 

[sjastro]

Those idiots at LIGO factored in the curvature of the earth when constructing the interferometer arms of their gravitational wave detectors.

"LIGO's arms are long enough that the curvature of the Earth itself was a complicating factor when installing the vacuum tubes. It wasn’t enough for LIGO’s civil engineers to smooth a level path and assemble each arm’s tubes in a straight line. To ensure a perfectly level beam path, the Earth’s curvature (more than a vertical meter over the 4 km length of each arm) was countered by GPS-assisted earth-moving and high-precision concrete work."

Surprisingly how flat earth experts here failed to take into consideration the strongest evidence for why the earth is flat.

 

[PIckleRelations]

Those idiots at LIGO factored in the curvature of the earth when constructing the interferometer arms of their gravitational wave detectors.

"LIGO's arms are long enough that the curvature of the Earth itself was a complicating factor when installing the vacuum tubes. It wasn’t enough for LIGO’s civil engineers to smooth a level path and assemble each arm’s tubes in a straight line. To ensure a perfectly level beam path, the Earth’s curvature (more than a vertical meter over the 4 km length of each arm) was countered by GPS-assisted earth-moving and high-precision concrete work."

Surprisingly how flat earth experts here failed to take into consideration the strongest evidence for why the earth is flat.

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The flat earth concept doesn't mean the earth doesn't have various elevations. Seems like what they ran across are what we flat-earthers like to call a 'small hill'.

 

[PIckleRelations]

A flat earth interpretation of Genesis does not just lead to a lesser creation, it means that the universe around us is deceptive. What we observe is incompatible with the earth being flat. Worse - this implies that God is deceptive.

How would you consider flat earth to be a 'lesser creation'?

 

[Hans Blaster]

The flat earth concept doesn't mean the earth doesn't have various elevations. Seems like what they ran across are what we flat-earthers like to call a 'small hill'.

No, this is about detecting the actual curvature of the Earth. If the construction had used some ancient leveling techiniques (like water finding a level value) it would *not* have been a straight line. Pour water into the vacuum vessel for an arm of LIGO and it will rush to one end, the other, or both. (Which depends on how they have positioned the ends relative to each other in the gravitational well. Is one end, the other, or the center of the tube closest to center of the Earth.)

To put this slightly differently, it is *IMPOSSIBLE* to build a 4-km long tube on the surface of the Earth that is both perfectly straight and fills with a fluid to an even level throughout.

 

[prodromos]

How would you consider flat earth to be a 'lesser creation'?

It is basically a finite terrarium reflecting a finite God, as opposed to an essentially unbound universe reflecting an infinite God

 

[sjastro]

The flat earth concept doesn't mean the earth doesn't have various elevations. Seems like what they ran across are what we flat-earthers like to call a 'small hill'.

LIGO has observatories at both Hanford and Livingston.
Each observatory has two interferometer arms perpendicular to each other.
It's an amazing coincidence that each arm should deviate by the same degree as a result of a "small hill".

Then there is the case construction was GPS (Global Positioning System) assisted using satellites.
If you accept satellites have this capability and showed the topography of a "small hill" instead of the Earth's curvature, then satellites are able to image the spherical Earth which is not a fake or the use of fisheye lenses.