THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT

[Douggg]

Whatever your interpretation, know that both references, Revelation and Ezekiel, are about Jerusalem. Match after match:

Revelation 11:7-8​

7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them, 8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city[a] which is allegorically[b] called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. RSVCE

Jesus died in Jerusalem.

Valletta, you are speaking without regards to context. The Ezekiel 16 chapter is about Jerusalem at the time the Jews were about to go into Babylonian captivity.

In Revelation 11, the reference to Jerusalem as a place likened to Sodom is that the two witnesses - messengers of God will be killed there by the beast. In Sodom, the two angel messengers of God were also approached by evil desires of the beasts, i.e the perverted residences of Sodom.

The likening of Jerusalem at the time of the beast's rule, is that Jerusalem will become a place a place of enslavement for the Jews.

Jerusalem at the time of Christ was not a friendly place for Christians, having crucified our Lord. The same will be true, under the reign of the beast, which at that future time Jews will be Christians.


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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The woman become harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican, associated with Rome. The Vatican became obsessed with power and killed many Christians during the inquisition, in her drunken state.

 

[Douggg]

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium, this being false in deception

The mount of Olives has not been split in half. Fact. Will be split in half when Jesus returns to reign and rule for 1000 years.

 

[Valletta]

The woman become harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican, associated with Rome. The Vatican became obsessed with power and killed many Christians during the inquisition, in her drunken state.

I can see you are not well informed about the inquisitions. Please take your slurs elsewhere, there are people of many religious persuasions who have sinned, gravely sinned, to assume you and your denomination on the average is holier than Catholics, during the inquisitions or otherwise, is spoken of in the Bible:

Judging Others​

Matthew 7 1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition​

 

[Douggg]

I can see you are not well informed about the inquisitions. Please take your slurs elsewhere, there are people of many religious persuasions who have sinned, gravely sinned, to assume you and your denomination on the average is holier than Catholics, during the inquisitions or otherwise, is spoken of in the Bible:

I am not a member of any denomination. And yes, the Reformers persecuted persons who did not agree with them as well. But they were not associated with Rome.

 

[Truth7t7]

The mount of Olives has not been split in half. Fact. Will be split in half when Jesus returns to reign and rule for 1000 years.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Douggg]

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

The word fire does not appear in Zechariah 14:1-12. The earth is not burnt up, nor destroyed in Zechariah 14:1-12.

 

[Truth7t7]

I can see you are not well informed about the inquisitions. Please take your slurs elsewhere, there are people of many religious persuasions who have sinned, gravely sinned, to assume you and your denomination on the average is holier than Catholics, during the inquisitions or otherwise, is spoken of in the Bible:

Judging Others​

Matthew 7 1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition​

Roman Emperor Constatine is the foundation of Roman Catholicism, he donated the land and built the original St Peter's Basilica on Vatican hill

Roman Emperor Constatine in 321 AD called the first council of Nicaea, 1800 bishops were invited with all expenses paid for travel, food, and lodging, only 318 showed up

The persecuted Church outside of Emperor Constatines newly formed state Church wanted nothing to do with it, and it remains the same today

 

[Truth7t7]

The word fire does not appear in Zechariah 14:1-12. The earth is not burnt up, nor destroyed in Zechariah 14:1-12.

Zechariah 14:1 & 2 Peter 3:10 same day of the Lord (The End) by fire

Zechariah 14:12 gives a graphic description of the day of the Lord, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Marilyn C]

Zechariah 14:1 & 2 Peter 3:10 same day of the Lord (The End) by fire

Zechariah 14:12 gives a graphic description of the day of the Lord, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

The word `Day,` in Hebrew & Greek refers to a period of time and a specific day. 2 Peter 3: 10 refers to a period of time, while Zech. 14: 1 is a specific day.

 

[Valletta]

Roman Emperor is the foundation of Roman Catholicism, he donated the land and built the original St Peter's Basilica

Roman Emperor in 321 AD called the first council of Nicaea, 1800 bishops were invited with all expenses paid for travel, food, and lodging, only 318 showed up

The persecuted Church outside of Emperor Constatines newly formed state Church wanted nothing to do with it, and it remains the same today

Jesus is the founder of Catholicism, Peter was the first pope, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, centuries before Constantine. Emperor Constantine was not a Catholic, he is known for stopping religious persecution. Constantine did push for a Catholic council for his own reasons, but again he was never a Catholic.

 

[Valletta]

Jesus is the founder of Catholicism, Peter was the first pope, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, centuries before Constantine. Emperor Constantine was not a Catholic, he is known for stopping religious persecution. Constantine did push for a Catholic council for his own reasons, but again he was never a Catholic.

Do you know the history of your own religion?

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus is the founder of Catholicism, Peter was the first pope, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, centuries before Constantine. Emperor Constantine was not a Catholic, he is known for stopping religious persecution. Constantine did push for a Catholic council for his own reasons, but again he was never a Catholic.

Did Constatine build St Peter's Basillica on Vatican hill In 319AD "Yes"

Did Constatine call the Council of Nicaea in 321AD, inviting 1800 bishops from his empire, where only 318 showed up "Yes"

Did Constatine use his civil authority to punish Christian's at the call of Roman Bishops "Yes" with Athanasius of Alexandria being banished at the call of Eusebius of Rome, Constantine carried out the punishment

Did the government of Italy establish Vatican City as the smallest sovereign Nation in the world in 1929 with the lateran treaty "Yes"

Conclusion: Emperor Constantine is the father of Roman Catholicism today, he built the first basilica, he called the council of Nicaea, he enforced through civil law the Roman Bishops wishes concerning punishment of Christian believers, Constantine created what is know today as the (Roman Catholic State Church)

Roman Catholicism has been a historical evil in the world, inquisition, Cardinal Bernard Law fleeing to Vatican City for refuge from extradition from the US, protected by John Paul regarding 400+ counts of child molestation in Boston, the list goes on and in

Roman Catholicism is another gospel and another Jesus, likened to the cults of Mormonism and the Jehovahs Witnesses

I will not continue with regards to arguing Roman Catholicism, believers were first called Christians in Antioch not Rome, Jerusalem is the center of Christianity and the Church where it began with the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

The word `Day,` in Hebrew & Greek refers to a period of time and a specific day. 2 Peter 3: 10 refers to a period of time, while Zech. 14: 1 is a specific day.

I Disagree

The day of the Lord seen in 2 Peter 3:10 is the very same that is seen in Zechariah 14:1

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you know the history of your own religion?

I find my lineage in the Church that has always existed outside of Rome

You act as if no believers existed outside of Roman Catholicism

The 7 Churches were established in various places in the world as recorded in the Bible, and they didn't answer to your proclaimed first Pope Peter or the succession of your proclaimed popes

I look to Paul and his missionary journeys from Antioch Syria as being the foundations of Christianity not Rome

My lineage was never part of Rome and isn't found in Luther or the Protestant's

You can claim Roman Catholicism and the Pope is God's voice on this earth all you want, Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses do the same, no different

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Valletta]

I find my lineage in the Church that has always existed outside of Rome

You act as if no believers existed outside of Roman Catholicism

The 7 Churches were established in various places in the world as recorded in the Bible, and they didn't answer to your proclaimed first Pope Peter or the succession of your proclaimed popes

I look to Paul and his missionary journeys from Antioch Syria as being the foundations of Christianity not Rome

My lineage was never part of Rome and isn't found in Luther or the Protestant's

You can claim Roman Catholicism and the Pope is God's voice on this earth all you want, Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses do the same, no different

Jesus Is The Lord

Ours is a universal Church. We believe Jesus founded our Catholic Church, not Paul.

 

[Valletta]

Did Constatine build St Peter's Basillica on Vatican hill In 319AD "Yes"

Did Constatine call the Council of Nicaea in 321AD, inviting 1800 bishops from his empire, where only 318 showed up "Yes"

Did Constatine use his civil authority to punish Christian's at the call of Roman Bishops "Yes" with Athanasius of Alexandria being banished at the call of Eusebius of Rome, Constantine carried out the punishment

Did the government of Italy establish Vatican City as the smallest sovereign Nation in the world in 1929 with the lateran treaty "Yes"

Conclusion: Emperor Constantine is the father of Roman Catholicism today, he built the first basilica, he called the council of Nicaea, he enforced through civil law the Roman Bishops wishes concerning punishment of Christian believers, Constantine created what is know today as the (Roman Catholic State Church)

Roman Catholicism has been a historical evil in the world, inquisition, Cardinal Bernard Law fleeing to Vatican City for refuge from extradition from the US, protected by John Paul regarding 400+ counts of child molestation in Boston, the list goes on and in

Roman Catholicism is another gospel and another Jesus, likened to the cults of Mormonism and the Jehovahs Witnesses

I will not continue with regards to arguing Roman Catholicism, believers were first called Christians in Antioch not Rome, Jerusalem is the center of Christianity and the Church where it began with the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem

Jesus Is The Lord

Enough with the Constantine baloney, as I said, Constantine was never even a Catholic.

 

[Douggg]

Enough with the Constantine baloney, as I said, Constantine was never even a Catholic.

If Constantine built the St Peter's Basillica, would that not fit with Revelation 17:2 ?

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

 

[Valletta]

If Constantine built the St Peter's Basillica, would that not fit with Revelation 17:2 ?

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Only for an anti-Catholic with an imagination. Follow Jesus, heed His words to love one another and not to judge others.

 

[Marilyn C]

I Disagree

The day of the Lord seen in 2 Peter 3:10 is the very same that is seen in Zechariah 14:1

The Day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3: 10 - period of time.

`But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.`

Day of the Lord - as a thief in the night, `the Day of the Lord is coming.....a people come, great and strong.....in battle array....therefore turn to me.....I will remove far from you the northern army....` (Joel 2: 1 - 3, 12, 20) This is the beginning of the period of time, the Day of the Lord.

`in which the heavens pass away....` this will be after the trib, and the millennium, at the end of the period of time, the Day of the Lord.


Zech. 14: 1 - 4 reveals the specific day of the Lord when the Lord comes at the end of the trib, and the Lord stands on the mount of Olives and deals with the world`s armies.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3: 10 - period of time.

`But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.`

Day of the Lord - as a thief in the night, `the Day of the Lord is coming.....a people come, great and strong.....in battle array....therefore turn to me.....I will remove far from you the northern army....` (Joel 2: 1 - 3, 12, 20) This is the beginning of the period of time, the Day of the Lord.

`in which the heavens pass away....` this will be after the trib, and the millennium, at the end of the period of time, the Day of the Lord.


Zech. 14: 1 - 4 reveals the specific day of the Lord when the Lord comes at the end of the trib, and the Lord stands on the mount of Olives and deals with the world`s armies.

Thanks for the response Marilyn

The Day Of The Lord comes as a thief in sudden destruction, like a woman giving birth, this takes place immediately after the tribulation at the second coming if Jesys in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3KJV
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.