THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT

[Marilyn C]

Babylon will be the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Babylon will be the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

Jerusalem will be that great city when (The Beast) takes his future seat, and the world and Kings of the earth worship him

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jerusalem will be that great city when (The Beast) takes his future seat, and the world and Kings of the earth worship him

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God`s word says Babylon.

 

[Truth7t7]

God`s word says Babylon.

God's words state "Mystery Babylon", if it's a "Mystery" it's not the actual "Babylon"

Revelation 17:5KJV
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Jerusalem Is That Great City, Where Jesus Was Crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Valletta]

Actually, the name of our church is the "Catholic Church." We have a catechism online where you can verify that. And as I said, the seven hills of Rome do not include the Vatican. The anti-Catholicism you have been taught makes you go through a lot of twisting and turning to try and fit Revelation into such a malicious theory. Rome, by the way, persecuted the Catholic Church.

As to Jerusalem being the harlot, Jesus was put on the cross on one of the hills of Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 23:14
“But among Jerusalem’s prophets I saw deeds still more shocking: Adultery, living in lies, siding with the wicked, so that no one turns from evil; To me they are all like Sodom, its citizens like Gomorrah.”

Luke 13:31-34
“At that time some Pharisees came to him and said, ‘Go away, leave this area because Herod wants to kill you.’ … Yet I must continue on my way today, tomorrow, and the following day, for it is impossible that a prophet should die outside of Jerusalem.’ ‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how many times I yearned to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were unwilling !’ ”

Ezekiel 16: 1-3, 26
“Thus the word of the LORD came to me: Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations. Thus says the Lord GOD to Jerusalem: By origin and birth you are of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite…
(26) You played the harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, so many times that I was provoked to anger.”

 

[Douggg]

Actually, the name of our church is the "Catholic Church." We have a catechism online where you can verify that. And as I said, the seven hills of Rome do not include the Vatican. The anti-Catholicism you have been taught makes you go through a lot of twisting and turning to try and fit Revelation into such a malicious theory. Rome, by the way, persecuted the Catholic Church

According to Wikipedia, "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church,..."

Does not the Catholic church sit on many waters - i.e. has a presence in all the nations.

The bishop of _______ eventually became known as the Pope, by Pope Gregory VII. Please fill in the blank.

Is not the "Holy See" the central government of the Catholic Church?

I have heard David Arroyo, EWTN, refer to the Vatican as "Rome".

I don't think you are going to able to divorce the notion of the Vatican is associated with the city of seven mountains - Rome. I can understand the sentiment for Catholics not to think that the Vatican will some day burned to the ground by 10 EU leaders, associated with the beast person.

 

[Truth7t7]

I can understand the sentiment for Catholics not to think that the Vatican will some day burned to the ground by 10 EU leaders, associated with the beast person.

Your claim is a fairy tale

Jerusalem is the woman/harlot,. Mystery Babylon the Great, as you have been shown several times

 

[Inkfingers]

Sorry OP, but the USA is not Babylon the Great; well, okay, it is in that it is part of such, but BtG is not just the USA.

Look at Babel, which is the origin of Babylon. It a whole world unified. Look at Babylon the Great, it's a city. Look at Globalism today; which is a world ideology of urban-industrialism that seeks to unify everything into one society and is the first one in history ever to have the power to make the Mark, the Image, and the Fire from Heaven 'miracles'.

Babel is not just the USA. It is Modernity and Globalism as a society.

 

[eleos1954]

The Pope won`t rule for he is a religious leader. The A/C is a Political leader and the False Prophet is a religious economist.

The vatican is a country .... and the pope is over both.

Vatican City State is a landlocked independent country, city-state, microstate and enclave within Rome, Italy.

 

[Douggg]

Your claim is a fairy tale

Jerusalem is the woman/harlot,. Mystery Babylon the Great, as you have been shown several times

The woman/harlot is associated with the location of the seven mountains. As are the seven kings. Which the 6th king was ruling at the time of John.

So all those things, the location, the woman/harlot, and the kings are associated together - Rome, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 at the time.

The "five fallen" kings
head 1. Julius Caesar
head 2. Augustus
head 3. Tiberius
head 4. Caligula
head 5.Claudius

The "one is" king
head 6. Nero

The "one yet to come" king
head 7. the little horn person of the end times

king 8. the beast (the little person, who continues the short space as the beast)

the little horn person will emerge as the leader over a group of 10 EU leaders. Once he becomes the beast, they hand their EU kingdom over to him to be dictator of it.

Recall how hitler became dictator of Germany - by the empowering act ? So things like that can happen.

 

[eleos1954]

But the problem is any Christian futurist can just insert any person or regime or thing they don't like into Revelation 13's 'beast' or the Babylon metaphor. What I want is evidence, and most of the theologians I respect say Babylon was ancient Rome. Instead, John was writing to his generation about his generation suffering under Rome. The Judgement Day imagery is the general reminder and promise that one day God's enemies will be judged, NOT some kind of timetable of the future that generations of "futurists" are to argue over as they compete to insert their most hated enemy or pet theory into the bible! Instead the "Apocalyptic genre" was John saying specific things to his generation so that all future Christians could understand how to deal with the beast-governments in their day.

The Apocalypse

Ep 97: There aren’t many parts of the Bible that excite the imagination more than its thrilling climax in the book of Revelation. Amidst the imagery, violence and controversy, how do we sort truth from fiction?

undeceptions.com

For a more Biblical perspective try these.

World's End

Undeceptions Episode 34: Christianity has plenty to say the world's end. However, our cultural narrative has become increasingly apocalyptic.

undeceptions.com

We can know what is coming not when .... all prophecies related to actual time have been fulfilled .... now we pay attention to events that will happen ..... the main point of the book of Revelation is worship ..... ultimately there will be a great deception and people will worship the beast thinking he is Jesus. Things that will happen ..... economic collapse, a forced religious system mingled with world wide government, persecution will ensue to those who do not comply ... wars, rumors of wars, pestilence and civil unrest will worsen. We see many of these things taking place now (civil unrest, wars, rumors of wars and pestilences) .... world/global government is in the works (ie New World Order) being pushed by the WEF and other organizations with complete support of the pope. This is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.

Like birth pangs everything will progress .... how long this takes is unknown.

True it is about modern day Babylon (being Rome) ..... futurist's interpretations (there are several) vary because they are not correct.

Judgement takes place before Jesus returns .... He returns in FULL glory ..... no one can see God (face to face) and live.

This is why the 1st resurrection happens at His return.... so He can take all the saved out of this
world and take them to where He is .... in heaven .... but this is not the full end ..... 1,000 years later the 2nd resurrection happens (of the lost)

The WAR is between God and satan .... and God Himself will end it .... He don't need assistance from mankind.

 

[Valletta]

According to Wikipedia, "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church,..."

Does not the Catholic church sit on many waters - i.e. has a presence in all the nations.

The bishop of _______ eventually became known as the Pope, by Pope Gregory VII. Please fill in the blank.

Is not the "Holy See" the central government of the Catholic Church?

I have heard David Arroyo, EWTN, refer to the Vatican as "Rome".

I don't think you are going to able to divorce the notion of the Vatican is associated with the city of seven mountains - Rome. I can understand the sentiment for Catholics not to think that the Vatican will some day burned to the ground by 10 EU leaders, associated with the beast person.

As I've said so many times, anyone can post on Wikipedia. The EWTN News Rome Bureau is only minutes away from the Vatican. Here is a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Vatican is often associated with Rome, it's a separate country but borders on Rome. It is just outside the ancient walls of Rome across the Tiber River. Our first pope, Saint Peter, was buried where the basilica in the Vatican now stands, just under the altar area. Catholics were persecuted by Rome for centuries and so there is a long Catholic history. "Sssociated" is not the same as being. As to the harlot, Jerusalem is called the harlot in the Bible, I think a careful study of the Bible, and please read the Bible quotations I posted, should lead one to discover that Jerusalem is the harlot rather than ancient Rome.

 

[Douggg]

As I've said so many times, anyone can post on Wikipedia. The EWTN News Rome Bureau is only minutes away from the Vatican. Here is a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Vatican is often associated with Rome, it's a separate country but borders on Rome. It is just outside the ancient walls of Rome across the Tiber River. Our first pope, Saint Peter, was buried where the basilica in the Vatican now stands, just under the altar area. Catholics were persecuted by Rome for centuries and so there is a long Catholic history. "Sssociated" is not the same as being. As to the harlot, Jerusalem is called the harlot in the Bible, I think a careful study of the Bible, and please read the Bible quotations I posted, should lead one to discover that Jerusalem is the harlot rather than ancient Rome.

Valletta, I want to be clear that my post was not intended to be Catholic bashing.

The destruction of the woman turned prostitute (the Catholic church started Christian but acquired some non-Christian behavior along the way - like the inquisition), - is end times, because the ten horns - kings - do not have their crowns until Revelation 13 with 42 months left in the 7 years - after the little horn person (who is not the Pope, nor papacy) has become the beast.

Alighing themselves with the beast, the ten kings are going to back the beast's claim of God-hood. Which, in spite of all of the Vatican's flaws (imo), it maintains the doctrine of the trinity - fundamental to Christianity - which will be in direct conflict with the beast and the ten kings (of Europe). So the ten EU kings, and leaders, are going to eliminate the Vatican, which is the governing body of the Catholic church, and probably execute a lot of church officials, although it does not specifically say that in the text.

 

[Marilyn C]

The vatican is a country .... and the pope is over both.

Vatican City State is a landlocked independent country, city-state, microstate and enclave within Rome, Italy.

Yes, thank you for reminding me.

 

[Valletta]

Valietta, I want to be clear that my post was not intended to be Catholic bashing.

The destruction of the woman turned prostitute (the Catholic church started Christian but acquired some non-Christian behavior along the way - like the inquisition), - is end times, because the ten horns - kings - do not have their crowns until Revelation 13 with 42 months left in the 7 years - after the little horn person (who is not the Pope, nor papacy) has become the beast.

Alighing themselves with the beast, the ten kings are going to back the beast's claim of God-hood. Which, in spite of all of the Vatican's flaws (imo), it maintains the doctrine of the trinity - fundamental to Christianity - which will be in direct conflict with the beast and the ten kings (of Europe). So the ten EU kings, leaders, are going to eliminate the Vatican, which is the governing body of the Catholic church, and probably execute a lot of church officials, although it does not specifically say that in the text.

It's what you've been taught. Revelation best fits Jerusalem rather than ancient Rome. Not only is Jerusalem the harlot which you should know by the previous passages I provided, but Jerusalem is predicted to burn as in Revelation and Ezekiel 16:41:

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Ezekiel 16: 2, 35-41 Again the word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations,

30 “How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord God, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot; 31 building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned hire. 32 Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! 33 Men give gifts to all harlots; but you gave your gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from every side for your harlotries. 34 So you were different from other women in your harlotries: none solicited you to play the harlot; and you gave hire, while no hire was given to you; therefore you were different.

35 “Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: 36 Thus says the Lord God, Because your shame was laid bare and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotries with your lovers, and because of all your idols, and because of the blood of your children that you gave to them, 37 therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers, with whom you took pleasure, all those you loved and all those you loathed; I will gather them against you from every side, and will uncover your nakedness to them, that they may see all your nakedness. 38 And I will judge you as women who break wedlock and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy. 39 And I will give you into the hand of your lovers, and they shall throw down your vaulted chamber and break down your lofty places; they shall strip you of your clothes and take your fair jewels, and leave you naked and bare. 40 They shall bring up a host against you, and they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords. 41 And they shall burn your houses and execute judgments upon you in the sight of many women; I will make you stop playing the harlot, and you shall also give hire no more. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

 

[Truth7t7]

It's what you've been taught. Revelation best fits Jerusalem rather than ancient Rome.

That's Correct, the poster that opposes the facts below follows the teachings of John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible better known as dispensationalism, it falsely teaches (Israel-Jews) are God's chosen people based upon ethnic heritage, a false teaching just to mention one

(Jerusalem) Is The harlot, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Douggg]

It's what you've been taught. Revelation best fits Jerusalem rather than ancient Rome. Not only is Jerusalem the harlot which you should know by the previous passages I provided, but Jerusalem is predicted to burn as in Revelation and Ezekiel 16:41:

Ezekiel 16 is about the destruction of Jerusalem associated with the Babylonian captivity.

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The 7 kings are related to both ancient Roman Empire and the end times Roman Empire.

kings 1-6 are of the ancient Roman Empire. king 7 (who becomes the beast) will be of the end times Roman Empire - i.e. the EU.

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Jesus will be retuning to the current Jerusalem - so it is not going to be destroyed.

 

[Valletta]

Ezekiel 16 is about the destruction of Jerusalem associated with the Babylonian captivity.

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The 7 kings are related to both ancient Roman Empire and the end times Roman Empire.

kings 1-6 are of the ancient Roman Empire. king 7 (who becomes the beast) will be of the end times Roman Empire - i.e. the EU.

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Jesus will be retuning to the current Jerusalem - so it is not going to be destroyed.

Whatever your interpretation, know that both references, Revelation and Ezekiel, are about Jerusalem. Match after match:

Revelation 11:7-8​

7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them, 8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city[a] which is allegorically[b] called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. RSVCE

Jesus died in Jerusalem.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus will be retuning to the current Jerusalem - so it is not going to be destroyed.

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium, this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Marilyn C]

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium, this being false in deception

Glad you don`t believe that also.