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the Last supper may have been associated with the Passover meal, but not the Passover meal itself.
It was a Seudah HaMafsekhet...literally a "last supper" before the fast of the firstborn on Nisan 14th. The fast would begin at sunrise and end with the Pesakh meal...
 
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I don't recognize wikipedia as an authoratative source. But in any case. You just proved my point that "passover" (pascha) is the same as "easter". In name only. Because I truly do not know what you have been trying to prove in all these slippery answers to my comments.
I is rude of you to call the answers given "slippery" when they are in fact very simple and direct.

Easter is not Passover because it is a Christian celebration of the resurrection of the Lord, Jesus Christ, on Sunday (the first day of the week). Passover is an Israelite feast. It involved the sacrifice of lambs. Each family was to sacrifice a lamb, eat it all in one night. It was to remember the exodus from Egypt and the tenth plague which passed over the Israelites because they sacrificed the lamb and used the blood of it to mark their lintel and doorposts. One is Christians and sheds no blood the other is Israelite and sheds blood.

Easter takes its name from Passover - except in English & German where its name went through some linguistic alterations - but its substance has no direct link to the feast of Passover - Passover is linked more to Good Friday, which is the topic of this thread, than it is to Easter Sunday which is Resurrection Sunday and is wholly Christian. Easter does, however, have an antitypical relationship to Passover; it fulfils it in the series of events from Holy Thursday night, where the Lord's supper is commemorated, Good Friday where the passion and crucifixion of the Lord is remembered, and Easter Sunday where the resurrection of the Lord is proclaimed and celebrated.

And what Wikipedia says is also said in Britannica, and many well documented sources.

All that I have said was said by me in the original post that created this topic. Take a look at post #1 in this thread. None of what I have written is slippery in any way whatever.
 
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I is rude of you to call the answers given "slippery" when they are in fact very simple and direct.

Easter is not Passover because it is a Christian celebration of the resurrection of the Lord, Jesus Christ, on Sunday (the first day of the week). Passover is an Israelite feast. It involved the sacrifice of a lambs. Each family was to sacrifice a lamb, eat it all in one night. It was to remember the exodus from Egypt and the tenth plague which passed over the Israelites because they sacrificed the lamb and used the blood of it to mark their lintel and doorposts. One is Christians and sheds no blood the other is Israelite and sheds blood.

Easter takes its name from Passover - except in English & German where its name went through some linguistic alterations - but its substance has no direct link to the feast of Passover - Passover is linked more to Good Friday, which is the topic of this thread, than it is to Easter Sunday which is Resurrection Sunday and is wholly Christian. Easter does, however, have an antitypical relationship to Passover; it fulfils it in the series of events from Holy Thursday night, where the Lord's supper is commemorated, Good Friday where the passion and crucifixion of the Lord is remembered, and Easter Sunday where the resurrection of the Lord is proclaimed and celebrated.

And what Wikipedia says is also said in Britannica, and many well documented sources.

All that I have said was said by me in the original post that created this topic. Take a look at post #1 in this thread. None of what I have written is slippery in any way whatever.
Exactly. And this is EXACTLY what I wrote which you disagreed with. So, yes, very slippery.
 
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Exactly. And this is EXACTLY what I wrote which you disagreed with. So, yes, very slippery.
Why do you not listen!

Easter is resurrection Sunday. Good Friday commemorates the crucifixion of Christ. It is Good Friday that has links to the Passover. Easter Sunday does not have that link. Easter Sunday is not about the crucifixion of the Lord, it is about his resurrection. This thread is about Good Friday not Easter Sunday. So, while @Yeshua HaDerekh in post #12 correctly identified Good Friday with the 14th day of Nisan and Easter Sunday with the 16th Day of Nisan, your posts did not do so. You keep insisting that Easter is Passover when it simply is not.
 
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Why do you not listen!

Easter is resurrection Sunday. Good Friday commemorates the crucifixion of Christ. It is Good Friday that has links to the Passover. Easter Sunday does not have that link. Easter Sunday is not about the crucifixion of the Lord, it is about his resurrection. This thread is about Good Friday not Easter Sunday. So, while @Yeshua HaDerekh in post #12 correctly identified Good Friday with the 14th day of Nisan and Easter Sunday with the 16th Day of Nisan, your posts did not do so. You keep insisting that Easter is Passover when it simply is not.
Yes. It. Is. As I showed, many nations still call it Passover in their language. What about that, can you not accept?
 
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1 Corinthians 5: 7
Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


Same principle but different context and meaning.
 
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Meaning Jesus refused to drink it because scripture forbids the use of intoxicating drink
He drank wine at the last supper, and so did the disciples. There is nothing against the bible use of alcohol in moderation.
 
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I is rude of you to call the answers given "slippery" when they are in fact very simple and direct.

Easter is not Passover
WIKI TIME!

"Pascha (Greek: Πάσχα), also called Easter, is the feast of the Resurrection of the Lord. Pascha is a transliteration of the Greek word, which is itself a transliteration of the Aramaic pascha, from the Hebrew pesach meaning Passover. A minority of English-speaking Orthodox prefer the English word "Pasch.""


Spanish: Pascua (de Resurrection)
Frenchy: Pâques
Danish (for fun): påske
Greek: Páscha
Norway: påske
Haitian: Pak
Dutch: Pasen

In German it is "Ostern" and Ost means East.
In English it is "Eastern" and East means East.
 
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Good Friday is a Christian holiday commemorating the crucifixion of Jesus and his death at Calvary. It is observed during Holy Week as part of the Paschal Triduum on the Friday preceding Easter Sunday.

Good Friday is a day of fasting within the Catholic Church. Traditionally, there is no Mass and no celebration of the Eucharist on Good Friday. A liturgy may still be performed and communion, if taken, comes from hosts consecrated on Holy Thursday. Baptism, penance, and anointing of the sick may be performed, but only in unusual circumstances.

The liturgy of Good Friday consists of the reading of the Gospel Passion narrative, the adoration of the cross, and Communion. In the 17th century, following an earthquake in Peru, the Three Hour Service, a prayerful meditation on Jesus’ “Seven Last Words on the Cross,” was introduced to the Catholic liturgy by the Jesuits.

Learn more:
1. britannica.com 2. catholic.org 3. catholicicing.com 4. uscatholic.org 5. catholicnewsagency.com 6. aboutcatholics.com

That's what Bing search has to say about Good Friday, it is a rather good summary of Catholic liturgical practise and the links flesh out some details. But what does this all mean? Why do we commemorate Good Friday?

Here's the story. Each part has theological significance. See if you can think of the significance of each part of the story. If you can then you'll know why Catholics commemorate Good Friday.

Good Friday is the day on which Catholics commemorate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Catholics are joined by almost all other Christians in solemn commemoration on this day. It is also a legal holiday around much of the world.

According to the gospels, Jesus was betrayed by Judas on the night of the Last Supper, commemorated on Holy Thursday. The morning following Christ's arrest, he was brought before Annas, a powerful Jewish cleric. Annas condemned Jesus for blasphemy for refusing to repudiate Annas' words that He was the Son of God. From there, Jesus was sent to Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of the province.

Pontius Pilate questioned Jesus but found no reason to condemn Him. Instead, he suggested Jewish leaders deal with Jesus according to their own law. But under Roman law, they could not execute Jesus, so they appealed to Pilate to issue the order to kill Jesus.

Pilate appealed to King Herod, who found no guilt in Jesus and sent Him back to Pilate once again. Pilate declared Jesus to be innocent, and washed his hands to show that he wanted nothing to do with Jesus, but the crowds were enraged. To prevent a riot and to protect his station, Pilate reluctantly agreed to execute Jesus and sentenced him to crucifixion. Jesus was convicted of proclaiming himself to be the King of the Jews.

Before his execution, Jesus was flogged, which was a customary practice intended to weaken a victim before crucifixion. Crucifixion was an especially painful method of execution and was perfected by the Romans as such. It was reserved for the worst criminals, and generally Roman citizens, women, and soldiers were exempt in most cases.

During his flogging, the soldiers tormented Jesus, crowning Him with thorns and ridicule.

Following his flogging, Jesus was compelled to carry his cross to the place of His execution, at Calvary. During his walk to the site of His execution, Jesus fell three times and the Roman guards randomly selected Simon, a Cyrene, to help Jesus.

After arrival at Calvary, Jesus was nailed to the cross and crucified between two thieves. One of the thieves repented of his sins and accepted Christ while on the cross beside Him. A titulus, or sign, was posted above Christ to indicate His supposed crime. The titulus read, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." It is commonly abbreviated in Latin as "INRI" (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum).

During Christ's last few hours on the cross, darkness fell over the whole land. Jesus was given a sponge with sour wine mixed with gall, a weak, bitter painkiller often given to crucified victims.
Are you a "convert" as some say?
 
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Meaning Jesus refused to drink it because scripture forbids the use of intoxicating drink
No it doesn't. Wine was served at Passover. Have you heard of spring grapes? That's because there ain't any. Which means grapes have to be preserved in the fall at harvest and the only way to do that is to squeeze them into juice, which becomes exposed to the yeast on the grapes and in the air. If you keep the container covered, it will be oxygen-free and create wine. If it is exposed to oxygen, it becomes vinegar, or some mixture thereof.

I know about the games people have played with it, like flat earth. Well, technically, if you put the grapes on the top of a mountain and covered it with straw and there happened to be snow at the time of harvest. I believe pastors are well intentioned in promoting abstaining from alcohol. I went to the liquor store today and got a nice pack of alcohol-free IPA - can't wait to try it. Alcohol can be bad. I used to smoke cigarettes, but I wouldn't bat an eye about having a cigar (and I have no idea how long that has been).

God gave us these things for a reason. One thing Christians have forgotten is virtue. Meth/Amphetamines are helpful to people, as is THC, and cocaine derivatives in certain medically approved situations. Wine and beer WAS essential to ancient people. Do we need it anymore? No. Do I need to eat meat everyday? No.

The real issues with alcohol came from the 1800s when people were shoved into factories and used as machines. People stopped living off the land and found themselves in a chair in some factory. People were deprived of their humanity. Christ worked with wood, he didn't report to Herod's Supermax PLUS+ Furniture Depot.
 
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Easter" is just another name for what is called "passover".
No. Passover is a Jewish feast, Easter/Pascha is the celebration of our Lord's resurrection.The Jews do not celebrate our Lord' resurrection. nd never have.
 
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The Roman Catholic leadership specifically enshrined the celebration of Easter (and the entire Passion Week) to NOT happen when the Jews celebrated it.
The Jews didn't celebrate it. The Romansnever heard of the name "Easter".
 
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WIKI TIME!

"Pascha (Greek: Πάσχα), also called Easter, is the feast of the Resurrection of the Lord. Pascha is a transliteration of the Greek word, which is itself a transliteration of the Aramaic pascha, from the Hebrew pesach meaning Passover. A minority of English-speaking Orthodox prefer the English word "Pasch.""


Spanish: Pascua (de Resurrection)
Frenchy: Pâques
Danish (for fun): påske
Greek: Páscha
Norway: påske
Haitian: Pak
Dutch: Pasen

In German it is "Ostern" and Ost means East.
In English it is "Eastern" and East means East.
I will not presume that you have not read the original post - which I wrote - but if you read it again all the material in your post is cobered in it.

This thread is about Good Friday. It is not about Easter Sunday.
Good Friday is linked to Passover. Easter Sunday is not.
 
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This thread is about Good Friday. It is not about Easter Sunday.
Good Friday is linked to Passover. Easter Sunday is not.
The 14th was Pesakh, the 15th was Shabbat and Sunday was Yom HaBikkurim (firstfruits of the barley harvest, the wave sheaf offering). It was the beginning of the harvest. Yeshua was the firstfruits of them that sleep (1 Corinthians 15:20-22). The 15th was the 1st of Hag HaMatzot (days of unleavened bread).
 
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The 14th was Pesakh, the 15th was Shabbat and Sunday was Yom HaBikkurim (firstfruits of the barley harvest, the wave sheaf offering). It was the beginning of the harvest. Yeshua was the firstfruits of them that sleep (1 Corinthians 15:20-22). The 15th was the 1st of Hag HaMatzot (days of unleavened bread).
It is interesting that the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, and Luke mention the unleavened bread before the Last supper while John's gospel makes it clear that the crucifixion was on the day when the Passover lamb was killed. It is one of a number of calendar mysteries that the four gospels pose.
 
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It is interesting that the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, and Luke mention the unleavened bread before the Last supper while John's gospel makes it clear that the crucifixion was on the day when the Passover lamb was killed. It is one of a number of calendar mysteries that the four gospels pose.
Fulfillment only occurs in the scenario I explained above. Mark says "on the first day of unleavened bread when the Passover lamb was killed." I think both were mixed together. The lamb was killed on the 14th on Pesakh. The first of unleavened was the 15th. The Pesakh meal occurred after sunset on the 14th (which is really the beginning of the 15th).
 
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It was a Seudah HaMafsekhet...literally a "last supper" before the fast of the firstborn on Nisan 14th. The fast would begin at sunrise and end with the Pesakh meal...
Was the fast of the firstborn practiced in the first century? I know of no source documenting this.
 
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