The Wheels of Justice Grind Slowly

[DaisyDay]

Just for your edification here is one example.
Ex-FBI lawyer admits to false statement in Trump-Russia investigation review

The surveillance on Page came after he stopped working for Donald’s campaign.

 

[disciple Clint]

"Lock her up! Lock her up!"


Trump isn't being prosecuted by NY State for "mishandling funds" but - probably, we don't yet know the exact charges - for filing false documents to cover up tax fraud and campaign mismanagement. This is the sort of thing that is commonly prosecuted in New York. Should Trump get special treatment?

By the way, no one from the Obama campaign or administration was ever even indicted.

Mishandling classified documents probably isn't the actual issue - obstruction of justice, lying about it and possibly theft (all the gifts given to the president that Donald felt entitled to keep) is more likely.


How did the Democratic politicians enable the Patriot Prayer thugs to beat up the BLM protesters? If they did call out for Antifa to come to particular protests ("it's going to be wild") then, sure, prosecute them.

Seditious insurrection is more serious than mere rioting.

probably, we don't yet know the exact charges - for filing false documents to cover up tax fraud and campaign mismanagement.

Mishandling classified documents probably isn't the actual issue - obstruction of justice, lying about it and possibly theft (all the gifts given to the president that Donald felt entitled to keep) is more likely

why jump to conclusions about things that have not been charged, What "tax fraud", What "obstruction" What "theft" lets deal with facts not what if's, not imagined charges or violations, FACTS ONLY please.

 

[disciple Clint]

The surveillance on Page came after he stopped working for Donald’s campaign.

BUT during the Russia investigation

 

[USincognito]

Ever since that "Former Guy" got into politics as a Republican, you Democrats have been 100% CONVINCED time and time and time and time again that he was guilty of this, that, and another thing.

That's some very interesting fan fiction, but Donald's shady way of doing things was well known before he ever stepped foot on the escalator. His reputation was particularly sullied among New Yorkers - aka those that knew him best. Dems had been unhappy with him since the Obama birth certificate nonsense.

The evidence was there. Shady politicians promised to have the smoking gun. Trump was going to jail. Now all the Dems are on the edge of their seats believing the same song and dance, expecting him to go to jail. You keep letting your masters rile you up. It's a political game, nothing more.

What I find fascinating about this is the disconnect between what Donald's ardent fans think others are thinking and what they really are thinking. No one is expecting Donald to wind up in Rikers Island over this indictment. If it happens, it merely means the wheels of justice have started to turn. The grand jury in Georgia is still considering the evidence provided to them by the special grand jury. Jack Smith's investigation continues into the document theft and January 6th. There are more indictments coming.

Trump isn't going to jail. And for those of you who said he's guilty...there has been NO trial. None. Every person is innocent until proven guilty.

This seems to be a recurring theme among Donald's most ardent supporters. The opinions expressed by CF members are not legally binding. When I say he stole the documents he was hoarding at his hotel, am I making a legal judgement? No. I'm averring my conclusion based upon what I know at this time. Same with the "perfect" phone call in Georgia.

Of course it goes without saying that Donald's most ardent supporters had no problem chanting "lock her up" for 5 years, but... yeah.

If Trump is going to jail for mishandling funds, so is Obama.

President Obama wasn't personally in charge of Obama for America, the campaign paid the fine and the case involved donations to the campaign, not money being taken from it.

If Trump is going to jail for mishandling classified documents, so is Joe Biden.

This has been covered ad nauseum. Donald isn't in legal trouble for merely "mishandling classified documents". None of the three sections of the USC cited in the search warrant involved classification. Donald's crime was willfully and unlawfully retaining documents that were the property of the U.S. government. His lawyers even perjured themselves when they attested to him returning every document when he hadn't. On the contrary, President Biden and Vice President Pence have been proactive and cooperative.

If Donald Trump is going to jail for the riots on January 6th, so is every single Democrat that enabled deadly riots over the last 6-7 years!

That's just embarrassing.

 

[USincognito]

Just for your edification here is one example.
Ex-FBI lawyer admits to false statement in Trump-Russia investigation review

Clinesmith? He's literally the only example and the judge concluded he sincerely thought that Page wasn't working with the CIA and was trying to save himself some paperwork. That's the proof that "they" broke the law to in order to charge Donald with a crime?

A position that just is not supported by the evidence

We'll likely find out today, won't we?

Enjoy your free speech since Trump is a public personality you will not be held legally responsible for misstatements or defamation.

I know that Donald and many of his ardent supporters want an authoritarian regime where dissenting voices can be crushed by the weight of government, but we're not living in such a country... yet.

 

[Larniavc]

The "righteous wrath and justice from the people" for what?

For being a rascal.

 

[Fantine]

If Donald Trump is a "serial criminal" what crimes precisely does he serially commit? Murder? Extortion? What? So far he's only suspected of hyper-interpretive counts of faulty recordkeeping.

I read the Mueller Report and listened to some of the impeachment trials and 9/11 hearings. I saw his party put politics over truth and justice each time.
I read the NY Times lengthy analysis of his tax returns.
Most of us have seen enough evidence to know that he is almost definitely a career criminal.
The Manhattan DA needs 24 hour a day protection for the first time since John Gotti was indicted.
I guess the mob Trump has summoned is as dangerous as the organized crime variety.

 

[DaisyDay]

BUT during the Russia investigation

The investigation that resulted in 32 people indicted and 9 convictions. Donald was exempt from prosecution at that time because he was still a sitting president.

 

[HTacianas]

I read the Mueller Report and listened to some of the impeachment trials and 9/11 hearings. I saw his party put politics over truth and justice each time.
I read the NY Times lengthy analysis of his tax returns.
Most of us have seen enough evidence to know that he is almost definitely a career criminal.
The Manhattan DA needs 24 hour a day protection for the first time since John Gotti was indicted.
I guess the mob Trump has summoned is as dangerous as the organized crime variety.

Yet for all that he isn't charged with a crime.

 

[HTacianas]

For being a rascal.

Honestly that sounds about right.

 

[Larniavc]

he isn't charged with a crime.

He isn't charged with a crime, yet.

 

[Postvieww]

I hope he will be found guilty. That would make my day.

Do you feel that way about Biden who has done far worse with far more evidence in the public domain?

 

[Postvieww]

Seditious insurrection is more serious than mere rioting.

You are right, thank the Lord we haven't had a seditious insurrection yet.

 

[Yttrium]

Do you feel that way about Biden who has done far worse with far more evidence in the public domain?

Whoa, hey, if Biden has done far worse, then he definitely needs to go to jail. It'll have to wait until he leaves office, but then we can nail him and put him away. Now, I don't know what he did that could have been far worse, or even just as bad... or even illegal at all... but I'm sure the House Republicans will be investigating hard, so maybe they'll come up with something.

 

[HTacianas]

He isn't charged with a crime, yet.

This isn't another one of those "nothing has happened but it's going to happen" things is it? We keep waiting for the thing to happen but for some reason it never does.

 

[essentialsaltes]

This isn't another one of those "nothing has happened but it's going to happen" things is it? We keep waiting for the thing to happen but for some reason it never does.

That's one of the options in the poll. Have you voted?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Daily Fail (citing 'a source familiar with the proceedings') says indictment likely tomorrow [i.e. today, Wednesday], arraignment next week.

CNN (citing 'a source familiar with the case') says the Manhattan grand jury won't meet today.

 

[Larniavc]

Do you feel that way about Biden who has done far worse with far more evidence in the public domain?

Yeah, lock up all villains, I say.

 

[Larniavc]

This isn't another one of those "nothing has happened but it's going to happen" things is it? We keep waiting for the thing to happen but for some reason it never does.

We must never let hope die.

 

[HTacianas]

We must never let hope die.

Hope for what?