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Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

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not to get off topic, but bringing up about how they just smashed out the windows in those doors invites the actions of several other officers to be questioned. They were on the inside of those doors just before the doors got smashed out and had just walked away, allowing it to happen.

The video from yesterday explains why they walked away.
 
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not to get off topic, but bringing up about how they just smashed out the windows in those doors invites the actions of several other officers to be questioned. They were on the inside of those doors just before the doors got smashed out and had just walked away, allowing it to happen.
They had back up coming.
 
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Applying slanderous labels doesn't jive with reality. Those on the J6 Show may have thought it made for good primetime TV, but it's been causing their narrative to fall apart ever since.
The correct word is 'jibe'. The rest of the words in the above post are incorrect as well.
 
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not to get off topic, but bringing up about how they just smashed out the windows in those doors invites the actions of several other officers to be questioned. They were on the inside of those doors just before the doors got smashed out and had just walked away, allowing it to happen.
Gee, if only there was some sort of special select committee too look into what happened on Jan 6th 2021!
Huh?
 
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So she deserved the death penalty for trespassing and failure to comply?
After seeing a tendency of messages starting with "So..." to be followed by a straw man , I proposed So's Law (inspired by our own Poe's Law. A few years ago I made this helpful visual aid to explain further.

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As has been explained repeatedly, Lt. Byrd had his gun drawn and was aiming at the window. She chose to jump through. The blame for her death that doesn't belong with Donald for inspiring her to be there and to do that, lies entirely with her.
 
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They were on the inside of those doors just before the doors got smashed out and had just walked away, allowing it to happen.
I'm going to think you are merely stating in an inelegant way that they were between the mob of insurrectionists and the door, rather than suggesting that they were inside the Speakers Lobby and exited as those doors were barricaded.
 
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Applying slanderous labels doesn't jive with reality. Those on the J6 Show may have thought it made for good primetime TV, but it's been causing their narrative to fall apart ever since.
Not slander - Babbitt was killed actively trying to prevent the American transfer of power. That traitors refer to themselves as patriots is pure irony.
 
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I don't have to assume anything; the intent of the mob of which she was a part were shouting how they wanted to kill Pence.
And, these capitol police were so certain that Pence was in such grave danger that they let these "want to be murderers" walk around the capitol and take selfies? After shooting an unarmed female?

You could go to any large event with large amounts of people.. there will be, at anytime, a very small percentage of the crowd that has any number of radical thoughts.... That does not warrant labeling the entire crowd with those same views.

Not to mention that, with the amount of exposed corruption in regards to this event... it's pretty obvious that you could have far left radical people who are wearing Trump supporter clothing... who were purposefully and cognitively presenting themselves as violent DT supporters.

It is also quite obvious, when one looks at the events of the last three years... that the right leaning people are not near as violent and brazen vandals as the left.
 
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And, these capitol police were so certain that Pence was in such grave danger that they let these "want to be murderers" walk around the capitol and take selfies?
Only the ones who were in on it, or fearing for their lives.

After shooting an unarmed female?
Maybe she shouldn't have been leading an armed mob trying to murder elected officials.
You could go to any large event with large amounts of people.. there will be, at anytime, a very small percentage of the crowd that has any number of radical thoughts.... That does not warrant labeling the entire crowd with those same views.
When it's an armed mob trying murder elected officials, shouting to that effect, you can draw some obvious conclusions.
Not to mention that, with the amount of exposed corruption in regards to this event...
I agree, it's criminal how Trump incited the insurrection.
it's pretty obvious that you could have far left radical people who are wearing Trump supporter clothing... who were purposefully and cognitively presenting themselves as violent DT supporters.
All you need is some actual evidence of that.
It is also quite obvious, when one looks at the events of the last three years... that the right leaning people are not near as violent and brazen vandals as the left.
All you need is some actual evidence of that.
 
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House GOP gave Jan. 6 footage to Carlson without telling Capitol Police, lawyer says

Police then wanted to review footage for security concerns, but say they only saw one clip out of 40


U.S. Capitol Police only learned from the media that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) had provided access to security footage of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot to television personality Tucker Carlson, and the police then were shown just one of about 40 clips before Carlson aired them earlier this month, the police department’s lawyer said in an affidavit Friday.

The police had asked House Republicans to let them review every clip that would be made public for security reasons, Capitol Police general counsel Thomas DiBiase said in the six-page declaration. But DiBiase said he only viewed a single clip.

On Feb. 28, McCarthy told reporters that he had been consulting with U.S. Capitol Police about the release of the footage. Carlson said on air that “before airing any of this video, we checked first with the Capitol Police. We’re happy to say their reservations were minor and for the most part, they were reasonable.”

That never happened, according to DiBiase’s declaration.
 
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And, these capitol police were so certain that Pence was in such grave danger that they let these "want to be murderers" walk around the capitol and take selfies? After shooting an unarmed female?
You're blending a bunching of things that took place that afternoon, but with no obvious causality between them.

I reviewed some materials, but I could not put a time on the threats to Pence from the crowd. As such there is no reason to think that

1. The cops inside the Capitol knew about the chants at any time during the invasion.
2. The crowd at the Speaker's Lobby were part of the chanting crowd.

Ashli Babbitt was shot at 2:44. Pence had already been evacuated from the Capitol building by then.

The "Chansley wandering around" video is all from 2:50-3:00 and from other video (body cam) it is clear that the rioters in the Senate wing (2nd & 3rd floors) were relatively few in number and not causing any current damage. (And all officials had been removed.) They were also gearing up to clear the Senate chamber itself where a few dozen invaders were located. (They did so at about 3:09.)
You could go to any large event with large amounts of people.. there will be, at anytime, a very small percentage of the crowd that has any number of radical thoughts.... That does not warrant labeling the entire crowd with those same views.
There were several selections that already took place:
Not all Trump voters or supporters thought the election was "stolen".
Only a fairly small fraction of those showed up in DC on Jan 5/6.
Many of the attendees at the Ellipse rally did not even go toward the Capitol.
The fraction of those who went to the Capitol complex and knowingly entered restricted grounds is small.
Those that breached barriers and entered the Capitol are but a fraction of those.

Most of the most severe actions in and about the Capitol involve the same group of a few hundred individuals that were at the Capitol grounds before the breach and while Trump was still speaking. They have been tracked, identified, and in many cases arrested and convicted.

No one, let me repeat -- NO ONE, is claiming that the whole crowd at the Trump rally were violent radicals, BUT, those who got to the Capitol early were quite concentrated in that sort of radicalism and violence.

Not to mention that, with the amount of exposed corruption in regards to this event... it's pretty obvious that you could have far left radical people who are wearing Trump supporter clothing... who were purposefully and cognitively presenting themselves as violent DT supporters.
That is not true.
It is also quite obvious, when one looks at the events of the last three years... that the right leaning people are not near as violent and brazen vandals as the left.
This not a competition. (And the thread is specifically about a presentation on a particularly TV show about the Jan 6 Capitol invasion.)
 
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14,000 arrests! Glad to hear that crimes are being dealt with appropriately. And not endorsed, applauded or apologized for.
Is Marge checking in on those BLM protestors arrested and probably in the same jail as the J6 insurrectionists?
 
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Cap Police Attorney: House GOP Ignored Requests To Review Jan. 6 Footage Before Carlson Aired It
HERE

BTW, what happened to that promise Kevin McCarthy made about providing the footage to other outlets?
 
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Happy to provide statistics on BLM riots.
Death(s)19 confirmed (May 26 – June 8, 2020)[4]
Injuries2,000+ law enforcement officials and an unknown number of civilians (as of July 31, 2020)[5]
ArrestedOver 14,000 (as of June 27, 2020)[6]
Property damage$1–2 billion (May 26 – June 8, 2020)[7]
How many events were involved? Comparing the number killed and injured at a single event to thousands of events is not reasonable.
 
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How many events were involved? Comparing the number killed and injured at a single event to thousands of events is not reasonable.
Which is proof there was one event involving Trump supporters on one day while the left wing riots went on for over a year. Thank you for pointing that out. There was so much more damage, police officers assaulted and people killed by BLM and Antifa rioters
 
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They had back up coming.
So they just walked away and let everything get out of control just before their backup arrived? Look what end up happening! Not very good police work there.
 
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Gee, if only there was some sort of special select committee too look into what happened on Jan 6th 2021!
Huh?
Instead of a made for TV event? Then I agee.
 
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It's never been a "racist dog whistle" when it's "white cop shoots unarmed black man", so it's not when the roles are reversed--assuming we're being equitable here.
Horse feathers. Nearly every time I see an insurrectionists apologist talk about their martyr, they mention "a black cop" and a "small white unarmed woman". It's a racist dog whistle. Sorry if you don't like that we're seeing through it.
 
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