Noah's Flood & the Strait of Hormuz

[dlamberth]

Wrong. God did produce a flood

A Global Genesis type of flood flood?!? Where is the evidance of said flood? There isn't any!

 

[AV1611VET]

Man interpretation of creation is very much flawed.

Hey -- we got the Corgi right, didn't we?

 

[AV1611VET]

Science has opened up a different Creation story, one that the Earth itself is showing us. On the other hand, it's the Creation story of an ancient pre-Jewish middle-east tribe of desert dwellers that is to be questioned.

Serpent: Yea, hath God said?

Panentheist: No, Gaea and Science hath said.

 

[AV1611VET]

A Global Genesis type of flood flood?!? Where is the evidance of said flood? There isn't any!

Problem is, you're looking for watermarks.

Assuming, of course, you're looking at all.

 

[dlamberth]

Problem is, you're looking for watermarks.

Assuming, of course, you're looking at all.

I'm a member of the "Ice Age Flood Institute". Floods and the study of floods are their thing. I've done a number of field trips and attended monthly lectors through that organization. Here's their web link:

Ice Age Floods Institute

 

[AV1611VET]

Problem is, you're looking for watermarks.

Assuming, of course, you're looking at all.

I'm a member of the "Ice Age Flood Institute". Floods and the study of floods are their thing. I've done a number of field trips and attended monthly lectors through that organization. Here's their web link:

Ice Age Floods Institute

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Lost4words]

I'm a member of the "Ice Age Flood Institute". Floods and the study of floods are their thing. I've done a number of field trips and attended monthly lectors through that organization. Here's their web link:

Ice Age Floods Institute

Just like being a member of the flat earth society then?

 

[dlamberth]

Just like being a member of the flat earth society then?

If your talking about the Genesis flood, perhaps your right.

The Ice Age floods made a pretty huge impact on the geology of much of the North West. They are perhaps the largest known floods during the past 2 million years that generated 10 times the total flow of all of the Earth's rivers.

The point is, flood mechanics are well known and understood. There is NO sign of a Genesis world wide flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is NO sign of a Genesis world wide flood.

Would you recognize one, after God cleaned it up?

 

[Lost4words]

If your talking about the Genesis flood, perhaps your right.

The Ice Age floods made a pretty huge impact on the geology of much of the North West. They are perhaps the largest known floods during the past 2 million years that generated 10 times the total flow of all of the Earth's rivers.

The point is, flood mechanics are well known and understood. There is NO sign of a Genesis world wide flood.

The ice age lasted a LOT longer than the world wide flood that God brought to the earth!

 

[doubtingmerle]

Would you recognize one, after God cleaned it up?

...in such a way that was deceptive, putting all non-avian dinosaurs below the iridium-rich K-Pg boundary and all hominids above it, for instance, knowing that this deception would universally deceive those who would later study the rocks.

And if said God deliberately does things so deceptively, how could anybody trust him for anything?

You seem to have left that part out.

 

[Diamond72]

A Global Genesis type of flood flood?!? Where is the evidance of said flood? There isn't any!

There have been many global floods, only we call them ice ages and the earth is usually covered with frozen water in the form of snow or ice. The last one ended around 12 or 14,000 years ago. There was a major extinction at the time when wooly mammoths and saber tooth tigers went extinct.

 

[dlamberth]

There have been many global floods, only we call them ice ages and the earth is usually covered with frozen water in the form of snow or ice. The last one ended around 12 or 14,000 years ago. There was a major extinction at the time when wooly mammoths and saber tooth tigers went extinct.

Your the only one who I've come across who calls the Ice Ages as global flood events. I think your pushing the boundires beyond rational meaning. The geological mechanics and events are very different in nature.

 

[Diamond72]

Your the only one who I've come across who calls the Ice Ages as global flood events.

The point is that Noah's flood from our perspective was a local flood. As an allegory it is symbolic of every flood that has ever been or ever well happen. Some use the word archetype or paradigm.

"Kabbalistic teachings view the story of the flood as a metaphorical representation of spiritual and moral principles, and the events in the story are seen as symbolic rather than literal. The flood is understood as a universal purification process that is intended to remove impurity and negativity from the world, and it is seen as a process that occurs in cycles throughout history."

I spend a lifetime to read, study and learn. Then people come along and expect to spend two or three minutes and figure it all out. Truth is not all that easy, it is not for the lazy or faint of heart. If people want to know the truth they are going to have to put some work and effort into what they are doing.

Kabbalah is a complex and esoteric tradition that requires a serious and dedicated approach to study and practice. The teachings and practices of Kabbalah are not meant to be taken lightly or used for personal gain, and there are many different schools and interpretations of Kabbalah that exist.

 

[Diamond72]

And if said God deliberately does things so deceptively, how could anybody trust him for anything?

AV does understand the difference between literal and symbolic. Even if you are having problems with that.

In Kabbalah, the distinction between literal and allegorical or symbolic interpretation is an important one. Kabbalistic teachings generally view the stories and teachings of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) as containing both a literal meaning and a deeper, allegorical or symbolic meaning.

According to Kabbalistic thought, the literal meaning of the text is the surface level of meaning, which describes events and people in a historical or factual sense. However, the allegorical or symbolic meaning is the deeper, spiritual level of meaning, which reveals the underlying spiritual truths and principles that are relevant to our lives today.

The symbolic interpretation of the text is based on the idea that the Bible is a coded language that speaks to the inner spiritual dimension of reality. The symbols and stories in the Bible are believed to contain spiritual truths and principles that are timeless and universal.

For example, in the story of Noah's Ark, the literal meaning is that a great flood occurred and that Noah and his family built an ark to survive it. However, the symbolic or allegorical meaning of the story may be seen as representing the idea of spiritual purification and transformation. The flood represents the purification of the world and the ark represents a vessel or container for the preservation and continuation of life.

Overall, Kabbalistic teachings view the literal and allegorical or symbolic meanings of the text as complementary, and the goal of Kabbalah is to understand the deeper, spiritual truths and principles that are contained within the text.

 

[doubtingmerle]

"Kabbalistic teachings view the story of the flood as a metaphorical representation of spiritual and moral principles, and the events in the story are seen as symbolic rather than literal. The flood is understood as a universal purification process that is intended to remove impurity and negativity from the world, and it is seen as a process that occurs in cycles throughout history."

I spend a lifetime to read, study and learn.

In fewer words, the idea that a global flood happened is bullspit.

 

[Diamond72]

In fewer words, the idea that a global flood happened is bullspit.

I have seen MANY words used. Allegory, paradigm, archetype, symbol, metaphor for example.

 

[Diamond72]

Would you recognize one, after God cleaned it up?

Science actually does a good job of showing us that Eden was real. They call this a biodiverse ecosystem. Eden had to do cultivated plants and domesticated animals.

 

[Larniavc]

Kangaroos can swim.

Why would they or the overwhelming number of other organisms even need to get on the Ark?

 

[Diamond72]

Why would they or the overwhelming number of other organisms even need to get on the Ark?

In my opinion, the ONLY plants and animals on Noah's ark came from the Tigris Euphrates river valley. What the Bible calls Eden. What history calls ancient Mesopotamia. The Biology book calls this a biodiverse ecosystem. ONLY this was very unique in that this is where civilization began with animal husbandry and the cultivation of plants known as Botany.

"The Middle East, including the Tigris-Euphrates river valley, has a long history of agriculture and plant cultivation. Many of the crops that are now staples of the modern diet, such as wheat, barley, and lentils, were first domesticated in this region around 10,000 years ago.

In addition to these important food crops, the Middle East is also home to many medicinal plants and herbs that have been used for thousands of years in traditional medicine. Examples include chamomile, sage, thyme, and mint, which are still widely used today for their various health benefits.

Other plants that are native to the Middle East include the date palm, olive tree, fig tree, and pomegranate, which have important cultural and symbolic significance in the region.

Overall, the Middle East has a rich botanical heritage that has played an important role in the development of human civilization and continues to contribute to our understanding of the natural world."