Is There Faith In Calvinist System?

[Hammster]

This should be easy to substantiate. Please show us any Calvinist writer that says faith isn’t important, necessary, etc.

Still waiting for the OP to respond. @Bobber

 

[Aaron112]

So how do we praise his glory by one willing to save 3 people out of 10 let's say if they need rescued from drowning when he can just as easily save all?

And alcoholic may not have the power to help himself. Doesn't mean he can't call out to another who can help him. Even among AA that's what they put forth. Point. We all believe man's nature is depraved. One doesn't need to take an understanding of that in a measure that's not justified.

It is a miracle anyone is ever saved.

 

[Bobber]

It is a miracle anyone is ever saved.

Nobody denies being born again isn't a miracle.

 

[Bobber]

Still waiting for the OP to respond. @Bobber

But does the Calvinist message impart FAITH into the hearts of the sinner? My OP will explain.

 

[Hammster]

But does the Calvinist message impart FAITH into the hearts of the sinner? My OP will explain.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/goodwin/Of%20Justifying%20Faith%20-%20Thomas%20Goodwin.pdf

 

[Mark Quayle]

But is that really an answer? I've seen many Calvinists even acknowledge they can't tell exactly why God chooses one and not another. I just don't think one can utter out to the praise of his glory. What does that mean? If you're going to use the word PRAISE what is it about saying some can be saved and not others when according to Calvinism all need what they call irresistible grace to even serve him. So how do we praise his glory by one willing to save 3 people out of 10 let's say if they need rescued from drowning when he can just as easily save all?

But why would it glorify his name? It just seems some of these statements are uttered forth and one says OK there you go. But what has any of that told us?

Your tone here is similar to that of the atheists, who seem to think they know how God should do this or that, or that there is no sense in God choosing to do things he doesn't explain to us. The fact that someone doesn't know why, or how it glorifies God, only shows their ignorance, not the foolishness of the notion that God does what he says he does.

But once again, to answer your questions: God chooses whom he does, for their use and to their end, to display his mercy, power, justice, purity and wisdom.

 

[Mark Quayle]

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/goodwin/Of%20Justifying%20Faith%20-%20Thomas%20Goodwin.pdf

Besides the content, I love the tone of such works, that the author not only presents truth, but does so as a servant of the reader, yet without even a hint of uncertainty.

 

[Hammster]

Your tone here is similar to that of the atheists, who seem to think they know how God should do this or that, or that there is no sense in God choosing to do things he doesn't explain to us. The fact that someone doesn't know why, or how it glorifies God, only shows their ignorance, not the foolishness of the notion that God does what he says he does.

But once again, to answer your questions: God chooses whom he does, for their use and to their end, to display his mercy, power, justice, purity and wisdom.

It’s like some fight for that 1% good thing that they did to make them worthy of salvation.

 

[Aaron112]

Nobody denies being born again isn't a miracle.

Yet you posted
Bobber said:
So how do we praise his glory by one willing to save 3 people out of 10 let's say if they need rescued from drowning when he can just as easily save all?
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By all measurements of Scripture, no matter how many multitudes , as written , are saved,

there are many multitudes who are not ever , no, who are never saved, just like in the flood when only eight were spared.

Would it have been just as easy to save more than three percent, or .0001 percent ? No. The Wisdom of the Creator is Perfect. Not "easy". It would have been UNjust, UNrighteous, UNwise ,

just as today it is UNjust, UNrighteous, UNwise to oppose The Creator or to continue to reject Jesus.

 

[Bobber]

However, saving faith is not about believing God will do what he says he will do.

Oh come on .It most certainly is.

Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he acknowledged the decrepitness of his body (since he was about a hundred years old) and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb. Yet he did not waver through disbelief in the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” Rom 4:18

 

[Clare73]

Oh come on .It most certainly is.

Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he acknowledged the decrepitness of his body (since he was about a hundred years old) and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb. Yet he did not waver through disbelief in the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” Rom 4:18

And that promise was of Seed (Ge 15:5, Jesus Christ).
It was faith in the promise (Jesus Christ) that justified him and was credited to him as (forensic) righteousness (dikaiosis). (Ro 4:3).

And in the NT, saving faith is in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin.
Orthodox Jews believe God will do what he says he going to do, but they are not saved because they deny Christ.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Oh come on .It most certainly is.

Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he acknowledged the decrepitness of his body (since he was about a hundred years old) and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb. Yet he did not waver through disbelief in the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” Rom 4:18

Notice how you took what @Clare73 said out of its obviously relevant context to make a point.

 

[Bobber]

And that promise was of Seed (Ge 15:5, Jesus Christ).
It was faith in the promise (Jesus Christ) that justified him and was credited to him as (forensic) righteousness (dikaiosis). (Ro 4:3).

And in the NT, saving faith is in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin.
Orthodox Jews believe God will do what he says he going to do, but they are not saved because they deny Christ.

From some strange reason you think I exclude what Jesus did on the cross that one doesn't have to have FAITH in that.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10: 10

One is not going to believe unto righteousness without knowing why and how one can be brought up to that state.

One still has to come into agreement with God and signal in the affirmative that they're willing to let God take them to salvation.

Back to my OP. Does the Calvinist message give the sinner the confidence God will receive them. I'll give you it gives them maybe hope that maybe they'll be one of the lucky ones or especially blessed but it can't really impart within them FAITH.

As I said if one said to 100 people he's going to give 70 of the 100 a large sum of money no one can really have FAITH . All they could have would be hope.

 

[Hammster]

As I said if one said to 100 people he's going to give 70 if the 100 a large sum of money no one can really have FAITH . All they could have would be hope.

what?

 

[Bobber]

Notice how you took what @Clare73 said out of its obviously relevant context to make a point.

So why do you even say this. I quoted about Abraham and his walk of FAITH and it reveals what he did to be justified.

 

[Bobber]

what?

Instead of reading if the 100 it should have been put down of the 100.

 

[Hammster]

As I said if one said to 100 people he's going to give 70 of the 100 a large sum of money no one can really have FAITH . All they could have would be hope.

Give us a similar example that demonstrates faith.

 

[Bobber]

Give us a similar example that demonstrates faith.

OK. A worker for a company doesn't know that they're rights are and what belongs to them or what the company wants them to have. The union man brings out the contract and shows the individual the collective agreement that work boots are provided in the contract. He doesn't wander away just having hope the company will give him a work boot slip but he was something more substantial. He has FAITH.

 

[Hammster]

OK. A worker for a company doesn't know that they're rights are and what belongs to them or what the company wants them to have. The union man brings out the contract and shows the individual the collective agreement that work boots are provided in the contract. He doesn't wander away just having hope the company will give him a work boot slip but he was something more substantial. He has FAITH.

Okay. How is that an analogy for salvation?

 

[Clare73]

So why do you even say this. I quoted about Abraham and his walk of FAITH and it reveals what he did to be justified.

According to Moses, with whom God spoke on a regular basis, Abraham believed (which is not performance) and it was credited/imputed to him as (forensic) righteousness of justification (dikaiosis). (Ge 15:6, Ro 4:3).