The Last Saints

[Mark Quayle]

Because, as the Bible PROMISES, it's revealed to the Last Saints...
since you cannot REFUTE my words from Scripture
your tone is not appropriate

Anyone that REJECTS Daniel 12:4 and 8-10 is REJECTING the Word of God.
It is really as simple as that - why are you confused?

You have not even bothered to TRY to refute my words with an alternative understanding
of the verses... because you cannot.

Instead of REFUTING my Gospel with Scripture...
you DENY what I said (without Biblical support)
DENIAL does not establish anything except that
you are unable to prove me wrong with Scripture.

I am one of the Last Saints... that is WHY I can "understand" what only the Last Saints "shall understand"
Tell me sir... are you surprised there are Last Saints? Is this a NEW CONCEPT to you"
Or, are you just upset that I "understand" Daniel's prophecies and you do not?

So, let's see if I'm understanding you: If @clare rejects YOUR USE of Daniel 12:4 and 8-10, she is actually rejecting Daniel 12:4 and 8-10 because your use of them is absolutely true, since you are one of the Last Saints, to whom God will reveal himself in ways he had not before. So, if in fact you have your eschatology a little screwed up, and are not actually one of the Last Saints, you're wrong. And if in fact you are one of the Last Saints, which I assume we all are that are still alive on this earth that are of Christ's beloved, Clare included: How is it that you are disagreeing with Clare? What gives you authority as a Last Saint that does not give her authority as a Last Saint? And if she's not, then what makes you think you are?

 

[Lost Witness]

I am one of the Last Saints...

So you bare witness of yourself?

 

[5thKingdom]

Last saints obviously mean more than one saint, as in numerous saints, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe even millions. Except you are only one saint not numerous saints. So, where are all these other last saints that are understanding these things the exact same way you are understanding them?

I already said I am not the only Last Saint...
so WHY are you pretending otherwise?
That is not honest at all.

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[5thKingdom]

So you bare witness of yourself?

No, my Gospel bares witness of who I am.
I will not deny the Truth... why would I?

Just provide ONE VERSE of Scripture that REFUTES anything I have said...
you cannot do that.

Instead you want to DENY what you do not understand.
Read Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10 again sir...
What does it say?

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[5thKingdom]

So, let's see if I'm understanding you: If @clare rejects YOUR USE of Daniel 12:4 and 8-10, she is actually rejecting Daniel 12:4 and 8-10

Clare can DENY what Dan 12 says... and that is what she has done.
She has not REFUTED anything I have said and she has not offered
an alternative "interpretation" of the passages. Denial means nothing.

You want to pretend that Clare DENYING what Dan 12 says,
is some kind of "proof"... it is not.

Either you ACCEPT what Dan 12 says or you REJECT it...
but, in either case, you are not talking about my words,
you are talking about the Word of God.

So, if in fact you have your eschatology a little screwed up, and are not actually one of the Last Saints, you're wrong.

Sir... if you can offer ONE VERSE of Scripture that contradicts my Gospel - please do so.
However, if you can only DENY my words (based on your "feelings") then you have done LESS than nothing.
This should NOT be so hard for you to understand... unless you want to be "willfully ignorant" of the Truth.

The Truth is clear in Dan 12... please deal with the Scriptures.
You have no argument unless/until you do that.

And if in fact you are one of the Last Saints, which I assume we all are that are still alive on this earth that are of Christ's beloved, Clare included: How is it that you are disagreeing with Clare? What gives you authority as a Last Saint that does not give her authority as a Last Saint? And if she's not, then what makes you think you are?

Sir, your logic is ridiculous.
If Clare was one of the Last Saints then she "shall understand" the Biblical mysteries
that remained "closed-up" and "sealed".. However, she does NOT understand.
So she show no "sign" of being part of the Last Saints.

Therefore your ASSUMPTION that she is a Last Saints is WITHOUT ANY BIBLICAL VALIDATION whatsoever.
Once again you demonstrate that you think your "feelings" determine Biblical Truth... believe me, they do not.
Please try to offer SCRIPTURE to refute my words instead of simply expressing your "feelings" over and over.

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[Lost Witness]

No, my Gospel bares witness of who I am.

Matthew 7:15-20




Shalom

 

[JulieB67]

LOL, you guys crack me up.
You want to talk about the "Image" when you cannot DEFINE what it represents.
That is hilarious.


FIRST you must be able to discern WHAT the "Beast" represents and WHAT the "Image" represents
and WHAT the "Mark" represents.


THEN (and only then) can you discuss WHEN the "Beast/Image/Mark" occurred.


I have already told you that, during the Jewish "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark".
I have already told you that, during the Christian "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark"
I have already told you that, during the Great Tribulation "Beast" there is an "Image" and a "Mark"


BTW... ONLY during the Great Tribulation "Beast" was there an Anti-Christ
(Little Horn, False Prophet, Man of Sin)... that is what makes the Fourth Beast different...
Satan and his Anti-Christ RULE during the Fourth Beast - they did NOT rule the Great Commission
of the Church Age (the Third Beast)


But YOU cannot even "see" what these "Beasts" represent...
WHY in the world would you expect to understand the "Image" and "Mark"...
when you cannot even understand these three "Beasts"???


I can say these things because (1) they are Biblically valid and (2) I already know WHAT each term represents.
You can never REFUTE my Gospel because is Biblically valid... you can only DENY
and that really means LESS than nothing... those are your "feelings"
and nothing more.


If you want to discuss WHEN Rev 20:4 represents... WHEN the 1000 years represents...
then FIRST you must understand WHICH "Beast" is in view (the Jewish or Christian or Great Tribulation)
and SECONDLY you must understand what the "Image" and "Mark" represent.


BTW... the church has always (correctly) understood the 1000 years represents
the Church Age... so this is NOT some NEW information. The A-Millennial Gospel
has ALWAYS been the "traditional" understanding of the Church (until recently).

All of this and still not one scripture that David asked for.

Bottom Line:

If you want me to TEACH you WHAT the "Image" and "Mark" represent...
I would consider doing that... but not until AFTER you have agreed WHAT the "Beasts" represent.
There is no reason for me to TEACH you what the "Image" and "Mark" represent while you DENY what the "Beasts" represent.

Bottom line is you don't have one scripture to back up your beliefs about there being more than one specific beast that is worshipped/image worshipped/ as well as people receiving the mark of this beast. Not one.

 

[DavidPT]

I already said I am not the only Last Saint...
so WHY are you pretending otherwise?
That is not honest at all.

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You are missing my point. My point has to do with last saints and not one last saint only. You indicated that the last saints will understand once the time of the end arrives, since Daniel's words will no longer be shut up. I don't disagree with that. I'm not disputing that. What I am questioning, the fact you are submitting things in these threads that none of us have ever heard taught before, such as how you interpret the kingdom of heaven parables and how you apply those to different ages, where then are there any other last saints who are also understanding these very same things the same way you are?

Otherwise, it appears it is you alone understanding some of these things the way you are, rather than numerous last saints also understanding some of these same things the way you are. Do you think all other last saints are in need of you teaching them these things first, so that they too will understand what you claim to understand? Why would they need you in order to understand any of these things that you allegedly understand? Why can't they understand the same things you do, on their own? You keep bringing up, that the reason you understand these things the way you do is because you are one of the last saints. What about all other last saints? Wouldn't they be one of the last saints as well? There you go then. so, once again, where then are there any other last saints that have come to understand some of these things the exact same way you are understanding some of these things?

 

[5thKingdom]

Bottom line is you don't have one scripture to back up your beliefs about there being more than one specific beast that is worshipped/image worshipped/ as well as people receiving the mark of this beast. Not one.

I have been posting SCRIPTURES to support everything I say.
Do you now pretend I must RE-POST all the Scriptures that you INTENTIONALLY IGNORED?
That's ridiculous.

On the other hand, you have not offered ONE VERSE that contradicts anything I said.
So THAT is the problem. You think that DENIAL is the same as REFUTING from Scripture.
Your denial mean LESS than nothing. If you want to be taken seriously then offer Scripture
that contradicts my Gospel.. otherwise you have nothing but your personal "feelings".

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[5thKingdom]

You are missing my point. My point has to do with last saints and not one last saint only.

Tell me sir...
HOW could I be "missing your point" when I responded DIRECTLY to it saying
I am not the ONLY Last Saint...

Are you intentionally constructing a STRAWMAN?
It seems so.

You indicated that the last saints will understand once the time of the end arrives,

No...
It is the BIBLE that PROMISES the Last Saints "shall understand" Biblical mysteries that were "closed-up" and "sealed"
to all previous Saints and this would happen at the "Time-of-the-End"...
that is NOT (as you pretend) when the "end arrives"
Try not to put words in my mouth.


WHY on earth are you misquoting me... when it's the BIBLE that you REJECT.
You are not REJECTING my words... you are REJECTING Scripture.


Tell me sir...
WHAT does Daniel 12:4 teach
and WHAT does Daniel 12:8-10 teach


That is the Word of God (not my words)

What I am questioning, the fact you are submitting things in these threads that none of us have ever heard taught before,

Yes, that is the NATURE of what Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10 PROMISES.

such as how you interpret the kingdom of heaven parables and how you apply those to different ages, where then are there any other last saints who are also understanding these very same things the same way you are?

The Biblical FACT is there are FOUR "Beasts" on earth...
I have DEFINED them for you. You have not REFUTED my words,
you have only DENIED them (without Biblical support)


Tell me sir...
if Daniel's Four Beasts do NOT represent the Kingdoms as I explained...
then WHAT do they represent? For you to say "I don't know" only shows
you are neither qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion"
on this matter.


You are actually disputing my Gospel without having ONE VERSE to contradict me
and without having any ALTERNATIVE explanation that is ridiculous.
How can I take that seriously?

Otherwise, it appears it is you alone understanding some of these things the way you are, rather than numerous last saints also understanding some of these same things the way you are.

Tell me good sir....
HOW MANY TIMES must I repeat to you that I am NOT the only Last Saint?
HOW MANY TIMES must I repeat there are OTHERS that "understand" what I have revealed to you?


It really SEEMS as if you are trying to construct a STRAWMAN...
why would you do that?

Do you think all other last saints are in need of you teaching them these things first, so that they too will understand

Yes, other Saints could "understand" PART of the mysteries...
and then "understand" MORE as it's revealed to them.

However... what the Last Saints WILL NOT DO is reject what they "shall see" [Nat 24:33]
and what the "shall understand" [Dan 12:8-10]

Why would they need you in order to understand any of these things that you allegedly understand?

Just as some Saints (in the Third Kingdom) produced "thirty-fold" and others "sixty-fold" and others "one hundred fold"
so also it is in the Fourth Kingdom... some Saints have "ten talents" while others have "five talents"...
but you probably do not even understand the CONTEXT of that is the Fourth Kingdom.

Why can't they understand the same things you do, on their own?

They can

What about all other last saints? Wouldn't they be one of the last saints as well?

Absolutely

So, once again, where then are there any other last saints that have come to understand some of these things the exact same way you are understanding some of these things?

You want their addresses...
Is THAT going to show you Biblical Truth?
Is THAT going to convince you of the Fourth Beasts?

Your question is ridiculous.

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[5thKingdom]

Matthew 7:15-20

First, you embarrass yourself by citing a passage that applied to the THIRD "Kingdom"...
the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" during the Great Commission and
BEFORE all the Saints are "sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]


We are talking about the FOURTH "Kingdom" on earth...
the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
AFTER all the Saints have been "sealed"... also shown as
(1) Daniel's Fourth Beast and
(2) the Revelation Beast and
(3) the RULE of the Anti-Christ during
(4) Satan's "Little Season"


How can you expect to offer an "informed opinion" and Biblical events
when you cannot even DISCERN the difference between the Third Kingdom and Fourth Kingdom?


Of course the answer is you cannot.
You cannot be taken seriously when you cannot
discern the CONTEXT of the passages you cite.


I say that with all due respect.
It is self-evident.


I am certain that you (and many others) are much more comfortable dismissing my Gospel
(without any Biblical support whatsoever) because the alternative would be that you do not "understand"
what the Bible PROMISES the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) ... I think that about sums up the situation.

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[Lost Witness]

First, you embarrass yourself by citing a passage that applied to the THIRD "Kingdom"...
the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" during the Great Commission and
BEFORE all the Saints are "sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]


We are talking about the FOURTH "Kingdom" on earth...
the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
AFTER all the Saints have been "sealed"... also shown as
(1) Daniel's Fourth Beast and
(2) the Revelation Beast and
(3) the RULE of the Anti-Christ during
(4) Satan's "Little Season"


How can you expect to offer an "informed opinion" and Biblical events
when you cannot even DISCERN the difference between the Third Kingdom and Fourth Kingdom?


Of course the answer is you cannot.
You cannot be taken seriously when you cannot
discern the CONTEXT of the passages you cite.


I say that with all due respect.
It is self-evident.


I am certain that you (and many others) are much more comfortable dismissing my Gospel
(without any Biblical support whatsoever) because the alternative would be that you do not "understand"
what the Bible PROMISES the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) ... I think that about sums up the situation.

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Let me try that again,
Just one verse this time,
Matthew 7:15

 

[Lost Witness]

here's one that's pretty accurate as it's focused on the Present time line,
Matthew 24:24

 

[5thKingdom]

Let me try that again,
Just one verse this time,
Matthew 7:15

Sir... please re-read my previous comment to you.


Now let me ask you:
Do you think Matthew 7:15 is talking about people in the THIRD BEAST (before the Last Saint is "sealed")
or people in the FOURTH BEAST (after the Last Saint is "sealed")


You might as well be talking about animal sacrifices in the SECOND BEAST.


You cannot offer an "informed opinion" when you cannot discern
WHICH "Beast" the passage represents.


So this is the second time you did this...
Let's try it another way.


See if you can find me one verse talking about the FOURTH "Beast"...
Then you will have found something relevant to the current thread.


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[Lost Witness]

"my Gospel"
You aren't Christ, You aren't the GOOD NEWS, You are a false Christ, an Anti Christ

 

[5thKingdom]

here's one that's pretty accurate as it's focused on the Present time line,
Matthew 24:24

Matthew 24:24 is talking about the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

Do you REALLY think the Great Tribulation Kingdom... AFTER all the Saints are "sealed"... is happening NOW?

Where is the Anti-Christ (Little Horn, False Prophet, Man of Sin)?

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[5thKingdom]

"my Gospel"
You aren't Christ, You aren't the GOOD NEWS, You are a false Christ, an Anti Christ

LOL...

The Jews had their Gospel...
It was a different Gospel than the Christian Gospel.
Is this "news" to you?

Catholics have their Gospel
The Baptist have their Gospel
Lutherans have their Gospel
Each denomination has their Gospel

Is this really "news" to you?


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[5thKingdom]

"my Gospel"
You aren't Christ, You aren't the GOOD NEWS, You are a false Christ, an Anti Christ

Sir, please tell me what I said to make you think I am a false Christ?
Can you provide ONE VERSE of Scripture that contradicts anything that I have said?

Or are you just expressing some personal "feelings" and pretending
that matters?

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[Mark Quayle]

Clare can DENY what Dan 12 says... and that is what she has done.
She has not REFUTED anything I have said and she has not offered
an alternative "interpretation" of the passages. Denial means nothing.

You want to pretend that Clare DENYING what Dan 12 says,
is some kind of "proof"... it is not.

I'm beginning to think you not only suffer from Grandiosity, but from Paranoia. I never claimed to you that Clare proved anything. You keep raising your fists to beat the air.

Either you ACCEPT what Dan 12 says or you REJECT it...
but, in either case, you are not talking about my words,
you are talking about the Word of God.

True: If we are talking about Daniel 12 we are talking about the word of God. Other than your usual circular argument, that you have the correct interpretation/use of Daniel 12 and she does not; therefore she denies the word of God, do you have anything to counter her claims with?


Mark Quayle said:
And if in fact you are one of the Last Saints, which I assume we all are that are still alive on this earth that are of Christ's beloved, Clare included: How is it that you are disagreeing with Clare? What gives you authority as a Last Saint that does not give her authority as a Last Saint? And if she's not, then what makes you think you are?

Sir, your logic is ridiculous.
If Clare was one of the Last Saints then she "shall understand" the Biblical mysteries
that remained "closed-up" and "sealed".. However, she does NOT understand.
So she show no "sign" of being part of the Last Saints.

Therefore your ASSUMPTION that she is a Last Saints is WITHOUT ANY BIBLICAL VALIDATION whatsoever.
Once again you demonstrate that you think your "feelings" determine Biblical Truth... believe me, they do not.
Please try to offer SCRIPTURE to refute my words instead of simply expressing your "feelings" over and over.

Sir, your logic is ridiculous. Do you know what a circular argument is? Let me demonstrate.

"According to Daniel 12, the Last Saints have new revelation hidden and sealed until now"
"I know I am one of the Last Saints because I have new revelation hidden and sealed until now"
"I am one of the Last Saints; therefore, my understanding is true"
"Therefore, anyone who disagrees with me cannot be one of the Last Saints"
— "Clare disagrees with me; therefore she cannot be one of the Last Saints"
— "Clare disagrees with me; therefore she is wrong about Daniel 12, not having my new revelation"
— "Clare disagrees with me (i.e. Clare is wrong) about Daniel 12; therefore she is denying Daniel 12."

 

[ViaCrucis]

I am one of the Last Saints... that is WHY I can "understand" what only the Last Saints "shall understand"

And I'm the Emperor of Canada.

-CryptoLutheran