The Last Saints

[5thKingdom]

I'm beginning to think you not only suffer from Grandiosity, but from Paranoia.

Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

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[5thKingdom]

And I'm the Emperor of Canada.

-CryptoLutheran

Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

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[JulieB67]

Do you now pretend I must RE-POST all the Scriptures that you INTENTIONALLY IGNORED?

No, just repost the specific scriptures about all of the other beasts other than the 2 beast system of Rev 13 all being worshipped, their image and people receiving marks from them. And not your assumptions, scriptures pointing these facts out.

 

[JulieB67]

I have already told you that, during the Jewish "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark".
I have already told you that, during the Christian "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark"

These are the scriptures I'm talking about. Please post them or repost them since you claim you already have where it specifically states there is an image to be worshipped and people getting a mark with each of these.

I can say these things because (1) they are Biblically valid

Meaning you have the specific scriptures and not assumptions. Then provide so I can see them.

I have been posting SCRIPTURES to support everything I say.

I've yet to see scriptures to support the claims above.

On the other hand, you have not offered ONE VERSE that contradicts anything I said.

I posted straight up scripture showing that the beast from Rev 20 is the very same beast that is thrown into the LOF when Christ returns. You then denied that scripture.

If you want to be taken seriously then offer Scripture

I give that claim right back to you. Post the scriptures.

 

[5thKingdom]

No, just repost the specific scriptures about all of the other beasts other than the 2 beast system of Rev 13 all being worshipped, their image and people receiving marks from them. And not your assumptions, scriptures pointing these facts out.

There are two "Beasts" in Rev 13 because the Fourth Beast, the Great Tribulation Beast, consists of
TWO "woes" and TWO Trumpet Judgments and TWO Beasts - shown as the 7th "head/king" and the 8th "head/king".


Both the "wise and foolish virgins" worshipped the First Beast (7th "head/king") but ONLY the "foolish virgins" worshipped
the Second Revelation Beast (8th "head/king")

Rev_17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" are separated HERE:


Mat 25:8-10
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell,
and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready [the wise virgins]
went in with him to the marriage: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT.


They are also separated Here and Here and Here and Here:


(2) In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".


(3) In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!


(4) In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.


(5) In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever, even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4


As to posting Scriptures showing the (2nd) Jewish "Beast" and the (3rd) Christian "Beast"
having an "Image" and having a "mark", we see in Rev 20:4 those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
who did NOT worship the "Image" or take the "mark".


The people in Rev 20:4 lived WHILE Satan was "bound" for 1000 yearss.
The people in Rev 13 lived AFTER Satan is "loosened" for his "Little Season" (Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation)
Just knowing WHEN Satan is "bound" (at the Cross) and WHEN Satan is "loosened" (the END of the Great Commission)
establishes the people in Rev 20:4 are people from the (3rd) Christian Beast and NOT from the (4th) Great Tribulation Beast.


Can you discern the DIFFENCE between living WHILE Satan is "bound" and living AFTER he is released?
Does your "gospel" explain this DIFFERENCE? If not... then why not?
You need to amend your "gospel" to explain the DIFFERENCE.


However... you must be able to DEFINE the meaning of those terms BEFORE you can pretend
to be qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion" on this matter...


Do you know WHAT the term "Beast" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Image" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Mark" represents?


I will TEACH you what "Image" and "Mark" represent AFTER we agree on what the "Beasts" represents.
That is fair enough - why TEACH you more when you have not even agreed to the meaning of each "Beast"?


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[JulieB67]

As to posting Scriptures showing the (2nd) Jewish "Beast" and the (3rd) Christian "Beast"
having an "Image" and having a "mark", we see in Rev 20:4 those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
who did NOT worship the "Image" or take the "mark".

Just as I thought- not one scripture. Meaning you can't be taken seriously.

Rev 20:4 is clearly talking about the two beast system of Rev 13 as well as being the same beast that is thrown into the LOF in 19 when Christ returns. Some of us have posted those scriptures which indicated this but you continue to deny them. Context matters. And you have shown nothing that proves there is more than one image being worshipped, more than one mark, etc.

Again without scripture specifically stating these facts, not your assumptions you can't be taken seriously.

I will TEACH you what "Image" and "Mark" represent AFTER we agree on what the "Beasts" represents.
That is fair enough - why TEACH you more when you have not even agreed to the meaning of each "Beast"?

Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.

 

[5thKingdom]

Rev 20:4 is clearly talking about the two beast system of Rev 13 as well as being the same beast that is thrown into the LOF in 19 when Christ returns. Some of us have posted those scriptures which indicated this but you continue to deny them. Context matters. And you have shown nothing that proves there is more than one image being worshipped, more than one mark, etc.

LOL
Rev 20:4 is talking about the Beast WHILE Satan is in the Pit.
Do you REALLY think the Revelation Beast [Rev 13] exists WHILE Satan is in the Pit?

That is hilarious.
Do you NOT see how ridiculous that is?

You are pretending the Beast WHILE Satan is bound
is the SAME Beast on earth AFTER Satan is released.

Your contradiction here demonstrates everything..
You know NOTHING about these Beasts

Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.

Oh... did Christ teach the Beast WHILE Satan is Bound
is the SAME BEAST as AFTER Satan is bound..
is THAT what you think Christ taught?

That is hilarious.
Christ NEVER taught such nonsense.
You embarrass yourself.



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[5thKingdom]

Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.

If you are sticking with Christ's teachings....

Please DEFINE the meaning of "Beast" and "Image" and "Mark"
But you cannot do that... does that mean Christ did not teach those definitions?
Or did Christ teach them... but not to you?

Did Christ teach the First Revelation Beast goes into the LOF...
No, He never taught that... but you do.

Did Christ teach the Beast living WHILE Satan is bound
is the SAME BEAST living AFTER Satan is released?
No, He never taught that... but you do.

Why do you teach things Christ never taught?

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[5thKingdom]

Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.

Christian theology (both Catholic and Protestant) always understood the reality of the first three
"Kingdoms of Heaven", and history (reality) confirms this to be the truth. But Christian eschatology
never understood that, when the Great Commission was finished – and all the Last Saints were "sealed",
the (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven” would END. God would then withdraw His Holy Spirit from the
Christian Kingdom – and the FOURTH “Kingdom of Heaven” would begin, as Satan is "loosened" from the
Bottomless Pit and given “dominion” (rule) over the “wise and foolish virgins” during Satan’s "Little Season".


Mat 25:1-2
THEN shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].


The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom – or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


Only the Last Saints are able understand the context of there being four “Kingdoms/Beasts” upon the earth.
The churches thought “Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (3rd) Christian Kingdom, just as Temples thought
“Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (2nd) Jewish Kingdom. However, the Bible promised the truth about
the “Time-of-the-End” would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the Saints – until the Last Saints “shall understand”.


All “Time-of-the-End” passages are related to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven” on earth, not the Third Beast.


Most New Testament “experts” claim the events in Matthew 25:1-13 are experiences of the New Testament church.
In other words, they think “THEN” is Pentecost when the early Saints “went forth” preaching the Great Commission.
But that’s not possible within the context of the passage. First, Matthew chapters 24 and 25 are revealing events within
the Great Tribulation, so the context of “THEN” would be that (4th) Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 25:1],
instead of Pentecost in 33AD. But there’s much more – the events of the parable/prophecy never happened in history!
And no Christian church is teaching these critically important events happen in the future of the Christian Kingdom.



Mat 25:8-10
And the [unsaved] foolish [virgins] said unto the [saved] wise [virgins], Give us of your oil; for our lamps
are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather
to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that
were ready [the Wise Virgins] went in with Him [with Jesus] to the Marriage: and the Door was Shut.


There is no time in history (since Pentecost) when the Saints REJECTED people looking for salvation, sending them
to some other (unnamed) group for their salvation. That just never happened in history (reality) during the period of the
Great Commission. And no “Christian” Gospel now teaches these events happen in the future. However, these events
happen exactly that way during the Great Tribulation… as the “wheat” and “tares” are separated in the “final harvest”.
Only after we understand the context of Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom” can we know when “THEN” occurs in time.




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[DavidPT]

There are two "Beasts" in Rev 13 because the Fourth Beast, the Great Tribulation Beast, consists of
TWO "woes" and TWO Trumpet Judgments and TWO Beasts - shown as the 7th "head/king" and the 8th "head/king".


Both the "wise and foolish virgins" worshipped the First Beast (7th "head/king") but ONLY the "foolish virgins" worshipped
the Second Revelation Beast (8th "head/king")

Rev_17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" are separated HERE:


Mat 25:8-10
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell,
and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready [the wise virgins]
went in with him to the marriage: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT.


They are also separated Here and Here and Here and Here:


(2) In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".


(3) In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!


(4) In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.


(5) In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever, even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4


As to posting Scriptures showing the (2nd) Jewish "Beast" and the (3rd) Christian "Beast"
having an "Image" and having a "mark", we see in Rev 20:4 those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
who did NOT worship the "Image" or take the "mark".


The people in Rev 20:4 lived WHILE Satan was "bound" for 1000 yearss.
The people in Rev 13 lived AFTER Satan is "loosened" for his "Little Season" (Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation)
Just knowing WHEN Satan is "bound" (at the Cross) and WHEN Satan is "loosened" (the END of the Great Commission)
establishes the people in Rev 20:4 are people from the (3rd) Christian Beast and NOT from the (4th) Great Tribulation Beast.


Can you discern the DIFFENCE between living WHILE Satan is "bound" and living AFTER he is released?
Does your "gospel" explain this DIFFERENCE? If not... then why not?
You need to amend your "gospel" to explain the DIFFERENCE.


However... you must be able to DEFINE the meaning of those terms BEFORE you can pretend
to be qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion" on this matter...


Do you know WHAT the term "Beast" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Image" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Mark" represents?


I will TEACH you what "Image" and "Mark" represent AFTER we agree on what the "Beasts" represents.
That is fair enough - why TEACH you more when you have not even agreed to the meaning of each "Beast"?


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Why are you doing the exact opposite of what was requested of you, and then expect to be taken seriously? Some of us may have been born at night, but we weren't born last night. What was requested of you, keeping in mind you yourself request the same thing of others if that person is to be taken seriously by you, that you were to provide Scripture, not assumptions, proving what you allege. After all, he who alleges must prove. And you are alleging that there is an image to the beast, and a mark involved, before that of the time of the 2 beasts involving Revelation 13. So, where are the Scriptures that undeniably prove that by coming out and plainly saying it, the same way it plainly says those things in Revelation 13 pertaining to an image and a mark, if you are expected to be taken seriously? Right? Why do you think it is ok to require of others, Scripture, if they are to be taken seriously by you, but that it's not ok if others require the same of you if you are expected to be taken seriously by them? Why does that apply to everyone else, just not you?

 

[5thKingdom]

you were to provide Scripture, not assumptions, proving what you allege.

Did I not provide Scriptures?
It seems that I did.


Rev_17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" are separated HERE:


Mat 25:8-10
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell,
and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready [the wise virgins]
went in with him to the marriage: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT.


They are also separated Here and Here and Here and Here:


(2) In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".


(3) In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!


(4) In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.


(5) In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever, even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4

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Rev 9:20-21
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see,
nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


Tell me... how is this passage explained in YOUR eschatology?
How does your "gospel" explain the separation of the Ten "Kings/Horns/Virgins"?
How does your "gospel" explain the difference between the TWO Revelation "Beasts"?
Because ONLY the Second Beast goes into the "Lake of Fire"... the First Beast does not...
Explain that please?


Or... is your "gospel" not able to explain ANY of the things above?
Is your "gospel" speculation and assumptions... it MUST be when you cannot
DEFINE the words you use and you cannot EXPLAIN the difference in the TWO separate "Beasts".


For you to pretend the First Revelation Beast goes into the LOF
is just another example of the nonsense that results
when you cannot DEFINE the words you use.

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Mat 25:1-2
THEN shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].


The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom – or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


Only the Last Saints are able understand the context of there being four “Kingdoms/Beasts” upon the earth.
The churches thought “Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (3rd) Christian Kingdom, just as Temples thought
“Time-of-the-End” passages applied to their (2nd) Jewish Kingdom. However, the Bible promised the truth about
the “Time-of-the-End” would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the Saints – until the Last Saints “shall understand”.


All “Time-of-the-End” passages are related to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven” on earth, not the Third Beast.


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[5thKingdom]

So, where are the Scriptures that undeniably prove that by coming out and plainly saying it, the same way it plainly says those things in Revelation 13 pertaining to an image and a mark,

Eze_9:4-6
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done
in the midst thereof. Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man
upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


I don't know WHY I have to repeat the obvious over and over.
You cannot expect to understand WHAT the Bible teaches about the "Image" and "Mark"
when you cannot even DEFINE those words.


You expect to understand that which you cannot DEFINE
that is a fools game. It does not work that way.


Not only was there an "Image" and "mark" in EACH Kingdom...
Jewish, Christian and Great Tribulation


There is also a "mark" of those belonging to God
and a "mark" of those belonging to Satan


In Revelation 7 this "mark" is called a "seal"


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


The "mark" of the Beast IN the forehead of the unsaved
is the opposite of the "mark" of God (the "seal" of God) IN the foreheads
of the saved...


Rev_9:4
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing,
neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


If you think the "mark" of Satan (or God) only existed during the FOURTH BEAST...
then you clearly do not understand what the Scriptures teach.
Rev 9:4 shows people in the THIRD BEAST
Rev 7 show people in the THIRD BEAST


Do you REALLY expect to understand any of these Biblical mysteries that were "closed-up" and "seald"
until the Last Saints "shall understand" at the "Time-of-the-End"?


Do you REALLY expect to understand when you cannot even DEFINE
the words being used.


That is ridiculous.


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[ViaCrucis]

Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

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When someone has an exagerated view of themselves they are unlikely to be receptive to a meaningful exchange of ideas and to the possibility that they might need correction.

My grandfather was a narcissist. He would do things, blatant things, and then deny he did them. He had a drinking problem, and he would get verbally abusive when he was drunk, but he would refuse to acknowledge that he was even drinking at all let alone that he said abusive things.

It is far worse when someone is drunk on their own self-importance. If one considers themselves a prophet, a messenger, a great teacher, or whatever; if they consider themselves to be the dispenser of knowledge, wisdom, and teaching because they are unique in that regard, and others are not, then they will always regard all disagreements as the words of the unenlightened or unspiritual; and will never regard even the possibility of they themselves needing to be corrected.

Such is not the way of the Christian. For the Lord Christ Himself has said, "The rulers of the Gentiles lord over them, it shall not be so with you." For even the very Apostles of Christ were not above accountability and reproach, for St. Peter at one time, out of cowardice refused to eat with Gentile Christians when a group came up from Jerusalem, for which reason St. Paul rebuked him. This is the same Peter whom the Lord called "Rock" and said "Blessed are you Simon bar-Jonah" and "Feed My lambs". Yet Peter, the "Rock", needed to be called out by "the least of the Apostles" as Paul called himself.

No man is above reproach. In the Holy Church all are accountable, especially those who teach and preach. For this reason the Scriptures say, "Not many of you should be teachers" for there is a harsher judgment for those who are in a position of teaching the flock of Christ.

Those who bear the burden of the vocation of Holy Ministry are to be carefully vetted, as St. Paul writes to Timothy and Titus. And none is to be regarded as a teacher or a preacher who acts entirely out of concert with the Church, as St. John reminds us that many antichrists came from "among us" teaching false teaching. For this is the spirit of antichrist, to go against Christ and to speak against Christ by presuming to teach and preach contrary to what has been received from the beginning--which is why St. John can say, "You need none to teach you", for if the Faithful having heard from the beginning, and abiding in what has been received from the beginning, continue in the faith "once and for all delivered" then when a person coming with teaching contrary to what they know, they can discern and "test the spirits"; for what the word has spoken it has spoken to all. What God has revealed God has revealed to all. What God has declared He has declared to all.

So if any comes claiming secrets or mysteries, why should Christ's lambs take heed? We have already our One Shepherd whose voice is laid forth for us already, and His sheep hear His voice.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

When someone has an exagerated view of themselves they are unlikely to be receptive to a meaningful exchange of ideas and to the possibility that they might need correction.

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


You are INTENTIONALLY IGNORING the SCRIPTURES that contradict your "feelings"...
Why is that?

It is far worse when someone is drunk on their own self-importance. If one considers themselves a prophet, a messenger, a great teacher, or whatever; if they consider themselves to be the dispenser of knowledge, wisdom, and teaching because they are unique in that regard, and others are not, then they will always regard all disagreements as the words of the unenlightened or unspiritual; and will never regard even the possibility of they themselves needing to be corrected.

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


Again you are INTENTIONALLY IGNORING the SCRIPTURES
that contradict your theories... why is that?

Such is not the way of the Christian. For the Lord Christ Himself has said, "The rulers of the Gentiles lord over them, it shall not be so with you."

You err because you do not understand the DIFFERENCE between the Saints during the THIRD BEAST
(who "lived and reigned with Christ" during the Great Commission of the Church Age)
WHILE Satan is bound in the Pit.


And the Saints in the FOURTH BEAST who are RULED by Satan and his Anti-Christ
AFTER Satan is released from the Pit.


You cannot even pretend to be qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion" on the matter
when you cannot discern the DIFFERENCE between the (3rd) Christian Kingdom and the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom


You only embarrass yourself when you CONFLATE the two separate and distinct "Beasts"
So once again I must say:


5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


Again you are INTENTIONALLY IGNORING the SCRIPTURES
that contradict your theories... why is that?

No man is above reproach. In the Holy Church all are accountable, especially those who teach and preach. For this reason the Scriptures say, "Not many of you should be teachers" for there is a harsher judgment for those who are in a position of teaching the flock of Christ.

Are you talking about the time of the THIRD BEAST... or the FOURTH BEAST?
You cannot offer an "informed opinion" when you cannot discern the DIFFERENCE between the two (2) "Kingdoms"
So once again I must say to you:


5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


Again you are INTENTIONALLY IGNORING the SCRIPTURES
that contradict your theories... why is that?

So if any comes claiming secrets or mysteries, why should Christ's lambs take heed? We have already our One Shepherd whose voice is laid forth for us already, and His sheep hear His voice.

-CryptoLutheran

Are you talking about those in the THIRD BEAST or the FOURTH BEAST?
Those "living and reigning with Christ" (WHILE Satan is bound) or those RULED by Satan and his Anti-Christ
AFTER Satan is released from the Pit?


Once again I must say to you...
the Bible PROMISES mysteries are revealed during the FOURTH BEAST


5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


You took the time to write SO MUCH...
and yet you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE the SCRIPTURES that contradict your theories...


Tell me sir...
WHY in the world can you NOT ADDRESS the Scriptures in question?
Is it because they contradict your "feelings"?


5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


You sir can express your "feelings" all you want
and you can cast ad hominem accusations against me...
(that is all you have done - and all you can do)


But that DOES NOT disprove the Bible PROMISE that the Last Saints
"shall understand" Biblical mysteries that were "closed-up" and "sealed"
from all Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand" during a period
called the "Time-of-the-End"


You sir do NOT have a problem with MY WORDS...
Instead, you have a problem (and you contradict)
the WORD OF GOD in Daniel 12


5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand


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[Lost Witness]

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching..

Discernment of scriptures comes from the Holy Spirit,
there's no "my Gospel"
Understanding both worldly and spiritually come from GOD,
there's no room to boast at all.

 

[JulieB67]

Did I not provide Scriptures?

No one can deny you post plenty of scripture. Just not the scriptures that you were asked to provide that proves more than one beast system had an image made and worshipped, a mark imposed on the people, etc. You still have not provided one.

Eze_9:4-6
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done
in the midst thereof. Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man
upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

You're joking right? We are talking about the mark of the beast. And the image that was worshipped. The image that was not worshipped and the mark that was not received by that those beheaded in Rev 20:4

Ez 9:4 is an example of what the opposite of the mark of the beast represents. This mark is from God, like the seal of God in Revelation.

Not only was there an "Image" and "mark" in EACH Kingdom...
Jewish, Christian and Great Tribulation

Still not one scripture that proves this claim. Where are the scriptures that specifically point out the image and mark for the Jewish? The image and mark for the Christian? We already know what Rev 13 lays out which coincides with the rest of scripture. Even mystery babylon refers to the beast system of 13.

There is also a "mark" of those belonging to God
and a "mark" of those belonging to Satan


In Revelation 7 this "mark" is called a "seal"

Most of us already know this. So why would you post the Ez scriptures as proof for another the beast/image that is worshipped and a mark that is placed upon people. A mark that without it people cannot buy or sell. The bible clearly lays out this only happens at one point in time but you have implied more than one beast has that very same system.
We asked for scriptures that specifically states that and you have not provided one.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

Discernment of scriptures comes from the Holy Spirit,
there's no "my Gospel"
Understanding both worldly and spiritually come from GOD,
there's no room to boast at all.

5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

 

[5thKingdom]

Most of us already know this. So why would you post the Ez scriptures as proof for another the beast/image that is worshipped and a mark that is placed upon people. A mark that without it people cannot buy or sell. The bible clearly lays out this only happens at one point in time but you have implied more than one beast has that very same system.
We asked for scriptures that specifically states that and you have not provided one.

Do you really think the "mark" or "seal" shown here happens during the (4th) Revelation Beast...
or does it happen to people living in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom?


Rev 7 shows it happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation (Revelation Beast) BEGINS.
Rev 9 show the same


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing,
neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


How can you expect to understand anything about the "mark" of God and the "mark" of Satan
when you cannot DEFINE those words?


That notion is just ridiculous.


BTW... in which Kingdom/Beast do you suppose THIS event happened?


Eze_9:4-6
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done
in the midst thereof. Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man
upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


The Bottom Line:
The Bible teaches there is a "mark" or "seal" of God... and a "mark" or "seal" of Satan.
FIRST you must be able to DEFINE WHAT those "marks" represent
THEN you must be able to discern WHEN they happen...

During the Jewish Beast?
During the Christian Beast?
During the Great Tribulation Beast?


So far... you have NOT SHOWN an ability to DEFINE the words
or to discern WHICH Beast is involved.
You have shown blindness.
Nothing more.


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[Zao is life]

Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

.

Why do you keep calling it "my Gospel" as though you have a gospel that's yours?

The only Gospel is God's Gospel - and it has nothing to do with any prediction regarding the end of the kingdoms of fallen man. It has only to do with our salvation in Christ and through faith in Him. God's gospel is all about Jesus - and it has nothing to do with your opinions regarding what it is that the wise shall understand written about in Daniel 12.

 

[5thKingdom]

Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand

Why do you keep calling it "my Gospel" as though you have a gospel that's yours?

Because, what you preach is YOUR Gospel.

We all have teachings we preach.
They could be the Gospel of the Bible... or "another gospel" [Gal 1]
Depending on whether they contradict Scripture or not

The only Gospel is God's Gospel -

How foolish and naïve

The Jews preach a Gospel.
Christians preach a DIFFERENT Gospel

Catholics preach a Gospel that is DIFFERENT than the Protestant Gospel

Each Protestant Gospel is DIFFERENT than the others.
The monergist Gospel of Calvinists is DIFFERENT than the synergistic Gospel of Arminians.

Why is this "news" to you?

and it has nothing to do with any prediction regarding the end of the kingdoms of fallen man. It has only to do with our salvation in Christ and through faith in Him. God's gospel is all about Jesus - and it has nothing to do with your opinions regarding what it is that the wise shall understand written about in Daniel 12.

Sir... the "Gospel" of the Bible includes EVERYTHING in the Bible...
including the PROMISE (of Dan 12) that Biblical mysteries would remain "closed-up" and "sealed'
until the Last Saints "shall understand" during the "Time-of-the-End"

Do you really PRETEND that the PROMISE of Dan 12 is NOT PART of the Gospel of the Bible?
Is that what you think?


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