New 10 commandments, rebranded as 10 spiritual principles for climate repentance. NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, SO DONT MOVE THIS THREAD.

[Lulav]

James 1:22 comes to mind.

How so? Are you saying I'm deceived about something? If you can read the word in it's original language you will see what I mean.

It's 'WORD(s)' just as Jesus is called the "WORD'.

 

[Always in His Presence]

What day did God rest? The scriptures tell us ever so plainly Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Hebrews 4:4

I am with you 100% the seventh day is the days of rest. There is Zero - nothing telling us what day of the modern week the seventh day is. The Roman Calendar didn't exist for millennia after the commandment. Here is another thought - we really do not know for a certainty what year this is. The Jewish Calendar gives us a date close to the year 6,000 - the current calendar separated B.C from A.D., but depending on what historian and Theologian you read after, there is a gap somewhere between 3 and 40 years between the last year B.C. and the first year A.D..

If we cannot even pin the year down, how can we pin down the day?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am with you 100% the seventh day is the days of rest. There is Zero - nothing telling us what day of the modern week the seventh day is. The Roman Calendar didn't exist for millennia after the commandment. Here is another thought - we really do not know for a certainty what year this is. The Jewish Calendar gives us a date close to the year 6,000 - the current calendar separated B.C from A.D., but depending on what historian and Theologian you read after, there is a gap somewhere between 3 and 40 years between the last year B.C. and the first year A.D..

If we cannot even pin the year down, how can we pin down the day?

God did not give us the year at Creation, but He gave us the days and the weekly cycle has never changed regardless which calendar system one uses. The first day will always be the first day and the seventh day is the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10 Most old languages Saturday literally translates into Sabbath.

Here's a link that goes into detail, if you scroll down, you will see all the languages as well.

https://www.sabbathtruth.com/portals/20/documents/chart-of-the-week.pdf

There are other landmarks in scripture where we can track down the appox year we are in but God never commanded us to keep holy a certain year, only the only time and law God commanded us to keep in His Ten Commandments was the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-10

 

[Always in His Presence]

How so? Are you saying I'm deceived about something? If you can read the word in it's original language you will see what I mean.

It's 'WORD(s)' just as Jesus is called the "WORD'.

Thanks to modern tech we can read it in the originals language!

James 1:22 - Word (logos) -

1. a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea

If you go to Exodus 34 - the original for ten commandments breaks down as

Ten - עֶשֶׂר the number ten (eser)
Commandments - דָּבָר - speech, word, speaking, thing - dabar

Sure it is plural - there are ten - beyond that, I am not seeing more - can you please explain more in depth.

 

[Always in His Presence]

God did not give us the year at Creation, but He gave us the days and the weekly cycle has never changed regardless which calendar system one uses. The first day will always be the first day and the seventh day is the Sabbath.

Agreed - but what day of the modern week is it?

Understanding that our current roman calendar assigned the days of the week.

Question - if we do not know what year it is - how do we know what day today is? What if today - Tuesday is actually Friday?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Agreed - but what day of the modern week is it?

Understanding that our current roman calendar assigned the days of the week.

Question - if we do not know what year it is - how do we know what day today is? What if today - Tuesday is actually Friday?

By chance, did you click on the link I provided?

God created the week at Creation- do you agree?

Genesis 1 was the creation week. On the seventh day God stopped from His creative work and blessed and sanctified the seventh day- meaning He put it aside for holy use. Genesis 2:1-3 He commanded man to keep the seventh day holy because we are made in His image to follow Him.

Regardless which calendar system one uses Sunday will always be the first day and Saturday will always be the seventh day. No calendar system changes the weekly cycle. Some modern calendars change the arrangement of days, but it doesn't change the week.

God rose on the first day and went on with His Fathers work. The seventh day is God's holy day Isaiah 58:13 and one of God's commandment Exodus 20:8-11 God preserved His seventh day because we have a God of love and would not give us a commandment that we don't know how or couldn't keep.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I am with you 100% the seventh day is the days of rest. There is Zero - nothing telling us what day of the modern week the seventh day is.

Agreed - but what day of the modern week is it?

By chance, did you click on the link I provided?

You are trying to convince me on what we already agree on -

What your avoiding is the question I raised twice.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Regardless which calendar system one uses Sunday will always be the first day and Saturday will always be the seventh day.

That isn't accurate at all.

Ask most Americans and we see Monday as the first day of the week and Sunday as the seventh.

It is subjective at best. Remember that the words for the days of the week did not exist until the Romans.

I understand what you are saying - I just do not agree. IMHO it is flawed reasoning. Best to you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That isn't accurate at all.

Ask most Americans and we see Monday as the first day of the week and Sunday as the seventh.

It is subjective at best. Remember that the words for the days of the week did not exist until the Romans.

I understand what you are saying - I just do not agree. IMHO it is flawed reasoning. Best to you!

I am referring to the old calendars, not modern calendars- look in a dictionary what day of the week is Saturday.

I find it fascinating that most people know which day Jesus rose, but when it comes to the Sabbath suddenly have no idea which day that is or it can't be located,

Did you click on the link?
https://www.sabbathtruth.com/portals/20/documents/chart-of-the-week.pdf


Saturday in Hebrews:

Meaning: Saturday
Translit: (yom) Sha•bat

Saturday in Greek

σάββατο
Saturday, sat, Sabbath

Saturday in Aramaic
Arabic Assabt The Sabbath

Saturday in a dictionary

Saturday​

noun​

Sat·ur·day ˈsa-tər-(ˌ)dā
-dē
the seventh day of the week

The Sabbath in scripture:
Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.


It's not that hard to find.

 

[Always in His Presence]

What day of the week is it today?

How do you know?

It amazes me also that we do not even know what years we are in, but are thoroughly convinced what day of the week it is.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What day of the week is it today?

How do you know?

It amazes me also that we do not even know what years we are in, but are thoroughly convinced what day of the week it is.

Where did God command us to keep a year in the Ten Commandments? I already showed you how we trace back the week, but if you prefer the seventh day to be lost, I guess that's your free will.

For the record today is Thursday, tomorrow is Friday or the Preparation Day for the Sabbath.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Where did God command us to keep a year in the Ten Commandments? I already showed you how we trace back the week, but if you prefer it to be lost, I guess that's your free will.

For the record today is Thursday, tomorrow is Friday or the Preparation Day for the Sabbath.

I'm not lost since accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior.

Thanks for your input. We agree on more than we disagree on.

Perhaps this is what Paul was expressing to the Church at Collosi.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not lost since accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior.

Thanks for your input. We agree on more than we disagree on.

Perhaps this is what Paul was expressing to the Church at Collosi.

My apologies if that came out wrong, I didn't mean you were lost, just the seventh day of the week is lost from what you said previously.

I don't think the seventh day Sabbath is lost, it comes right after Friday and right before the first day of the week, just like in the scriptures.

 

[Always in His Presence]

My apologies if that came out wrong, I didn't mean you were lost, just the seventh day of the week is lost from what you said previously.

I don't think the seventh day Sabbath is lost, it comes right after Friday and right before the first day of the week, just like in the scriptures.

Okie dokie!

 

[rturner76]

Adam was given dominion over the Earth. Do we think that was in order to destroy it or nurture it. We are allowed to use everything the Earth produces but I think for the long term, we have to always be looking at new and improved technologies for sustainability. Not just because we might need it 500 years from now.

When I used to go camping with the Y they emphasized that we leave each campsite better than we found it. I think that should apply in general life. Try to leave the world in better than you found it. Don' tjust trash it and use it all up.

 

[Lulav]

Thanks to modern tech we can read it in the originals language!

James 1:22 - Word (logos) -

1. a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea

If you go to Exodus 34 - the original for ten commandments breaks down as

Ten - עֶשֶׂר the number ten (eser)
Commandments - דָּבָר - speech, word, speaking, thing - dabar

Sure it is plural - there are ten - beyond that, I am not seeing more - can you please explain more in depth.

According to Jewish tradition, G-d gave the Jewish people 613 Commandments (Mitzvot).
In the original Hebrew, the first ten of those Commandments are called the Ten Words. According to rabbinic teaching, these Ten Words are categories or classifications into which each of the 613 Commandments fall. G-d told Moses that these Ten Words formed a covenant between the people and G-d.

 

[Always in His Presence]

According to Jewish tradition, G-d gave the Jewish people 613 Commandments (Mitzvot).
In the original Hebrew, the first ten of those Commandments are called the Ten Words. According to rabbinic teaching, these Ten Words are categories or classifications into which each of the 613 Commandments fall. G-d told Moses that these Ten Words formed a covenant between the people and G-d.

Thank you -

My first staff position was in a messianic congregation - I am somewhat familiar -

My position is from a Christian perspective, the extra biblical Hebrew, Hellenistic and Roman traditions add flavor to the Word and that is about it (in my world). They carry little weight.

see post #44

 

[Lulav]

Thank you -

You're welcome.

My first staff position was in a messianic congregation - I am somewhat familiar -

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My position is from a Christian perspective, the extra biblical Hebrew, Hellenistic and Roman traditions add flavor to the Word and that is about it (in my world). They carry little weight.

I would say that about the Pagan Greeks and Romans but to disregard the ones entrusted to the words of God and given them directly I believe would be in error.

The fact is 'dabar' means 'word'
When Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
He was speaking of all his words, including the TEN.

see post #44

That's what I quoted.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Why couldn't it be the case that folks are simply concerned that we live in ways that adversely affect the environment in which we live?

Because then you wouldn't be able to blame everything on the Pope and treat Catholicism like it is a satanic plague. Which the followers of Ellen White require for their particular sectarian dogma to work.

-CryptoLutheran