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New 10 commandments, rebranded as 10 spiritual principles for climate repentance. NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, SO DONT MOVE THIS THREAD.

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You're missing the point. What day did God rest? The scriptures tell us ever so plainly Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Hebrews 4:4

Introducing a mandatory law of a day of rest, that is not on God's holy day of rest calling it "the Sabbath" the opposite day in which God said is a day of rest as He called all other days as working days Exodus 20:9 except the seventh day Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Hebrews 4:4. I see a problem with this and is the beginning of the end. We are told to worship God in Truth and Spirit and if we want to be in harmony with His Truth than we need to not change God's Ten Commandments.

If you're familiar with history people were persecuted for not believing the way the Romans believed. God would never require force worship because that stems from control and not love. This law seems like it's for the good of the climate, but the agenda has very little to do with climate. Its setting the stage for something much bigger.

Anyway, like you said we will probably have to agree to disagree. Once the devil makes his final play, if we do not have our eyes wide open, it will be too late. That why Jesus said as the first thing as a sign of His final coming- Luke 21:8 8 And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. We are living in the last days and need to place our trust in the Word of God.

And let us not forget:

Exodus 34: 14-27

1 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

2 Do not make cast idols.

3 Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

4 The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock.

5 Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

6 Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

7 Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast,

8 and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

9 Bring the best of the first fruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.

10 Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
 
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I don’t see it as a re-branding of the 10 commandments. It doesn't even seem to be Christian, it says religious leaders.

It seems a good set of principles to live by, but it's no different than a lot of the new movements of today. It's humans doing what we have always done, trying to control our circumstances and ultimate fate, instead of looking to God.
Than call it something else instead of the “New” Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are something very specific that God alone wrote With His own finger. Exodus 20 Exodus 31:18
 
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It doesn't say 10 commandments, it says spiritual principles. It looks more like a mission statement to me.

You're reading something that isn't there.
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The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” (Revelation 11:8)

Since the judgment includes destroying those destroy the earth, environmental compassion is always a good point to make.

Emphasizing environmental stewardship out of your theology, may result in you being identified as one of those contributing to said destruction.
I’m not advocating to destroy the earth in any way whatsoever, I am advocating we follow God. Of course God is going to punish those who destroys the earth, just like He will those who do not follow His Word. God said not to add or subtract to His commandments and man has been doing that since the 3rd century. I think God means what He says If we are to follow His Word.
 
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Initially i asked "what do you think? Seems like mockery to me"

Here it is. CURRENT EVENT

Citing the name change

Heres the rebranding

Lets see if any sniveling happens....
It's obviously not THE 10 commandments; it's10 principles. Nevertheless, they put God first and refer to his creation, as well as reminding us to care for each other.
In this atheistic/multifaith world, anything which puts God first and reminds us of our relationship with him is not all bad.
 
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The title alone is offensive “New Ten Commandments”. God alone wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger and we are told not to add or subtract to His commandments.
Exodus 20 says "God spoke these words". He did not say "I am giving you 10 commandments".
Humans decided to call them the 10 commandments.
Besides, the phrase "10 commandments" is not copyright, nor something to be used exclusively by certain faith groups.
 
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Deut 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
God said that to the Hebrews whom he had rescued from Egypt when he gave them his word.
The "10 commandments" that you referenced were not from God, nor an attempt to add to his word.
 
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Exodus 20 says "God spoke these words". He did not say "I am giving you 10 commandments".
Humans decided to call them the 10 commandments.
Besides, the phrase "10 commandments" is not copyright, nor something to be used exclusively by certain faith groups.

Not sure if you accidentally overlooked these scriptures.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13
So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4
And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
 
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God said that to the Hebrews whom he had rescued from Egypt when he gave them his word.
The "10 commandments" that you referenced were not from God, nor an attempt to add to his word.
There is no Jew or Greek if in Christ. Galatians 3:26-28 God's saints, who are the saved one keeps the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation14:12. I'm sorry of you do not think God's commandments are for you, but you're mistaken according to the Word of God. We are to follow Jesus who kept His Fathers commandments as our example to follow and is what He taught us to keep. John 15:10, Matthew 15:3-9, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 5:19-30 John 14:15
 
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There is no Jew or Greek if in Christ. Galatians 3:26-28 God's saints, who are the saved one keeps the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation14:12. I'm sorry of you do not think God's commandments are for you,
I never said they weren't for me.
I said that God said to the Hebrews that they were not to add to his commands.

As to whether or not we keep God's commands:
10 commandments - yes.
Food and hygiene laws - no. Unless you argue we should keep them - in which case, not trimming your beard, not touching dead bodies or women at certain times of the month, not wearing clothes of mixed fibres are just as much laws as the 10 commandments.
Do you keep those, or insist people keep those?
 
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Not sure if you accidentally overlooked these scriptures.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13
So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4
And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
Ok, so he gave them 10 commandments.

But there's no reason why other groups cannot, equally, have 10 commandments. It's not a holy phrase, it's not blasphemous to use it, nor is it copyright.

Some countries may have no idea what the 10 commandments are.
 
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I never said they weren't for me.
I said that God said to the Hebrews that they were not to add to his commands.

As to whether or not we keep God's commands:
10 commandments - yes.
Food and hygiene laws - no. Unless you argue we should keep them - in which case, not trimming your beard, not touching dead bodies or women at certain times of the month, not wearing clothes of mixed fibres are just as much laws as the 10 commandments.
Do you keep those, or insist people keep those?
I’m glad you think the Ten Commandments are for you and sorry if I misspoke. Most people who argue against the commandments tend not to agree with them.

There is nothing in the Ten Commandments that has to do with beard trimming. Exodus 20. God does not place thou shalt not worship other gods and beard trimming in the same category because God only personally wrote the Ten Commandments and only the Ten Commandments is placed inside the ark of the covenant in God’s Most Holy Temple where He dwells and is revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19. Many of the ceremonial laws/ordinances ended at the cross, Colossians 2:14, Ephesians 2:15. The Ten Commandments is God’s moral law that is eternal.

Our bodies are a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit according to scripture 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 so we must not defile them and keep them clean. The heath laws never changed, once God deemed something an abomination God never changed His mind. Isaiah 66:17

God bless.
 
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I’m glad you think the Ten Commandments are for you and sorry if I misspoke. Most people who argue against the commandments tend not to agree with them.
That's fine. :)
I have no problem with the 10 commandments. Jesus affirmed them and summed them up into 2 commandments; love God and love your neighbour.

Often, when people on here talk about the commandments of God, they include things like not eating pork/shrimp. There have been threads which ask just that question. These are in the Bible, they say, are commands from God and should be kept.
At that point I, or someone else, usually asks about other commands which are also in the Bible - things like not trimming your beard or stoning someone who commits adultery or doesn't keep the Sabbath.
So I only mentioned those things, because it is not always clear what people mean when the talk about God's laws, or commands.
 
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That's fine. :)
I have no problem with the 10 commandments. Jesus affirmed them and summed them up into 2 commandments; love God and love your neighbour.

Often, when people on here talk about the commandments of God, they include things like not eating pork/shrimp. There have been threads which ask just that question. These are in the Bible, they say, are commands from God and should be kept.
At that point I, or someone else, usually asks about other commands which are also in the Bible - things like not trimming your beard or stoning someone who commits adultery or doesn't keep the Sabbath.
So I only mentioned those things, because it is not always clear what people mean when the talk about God's laws, or commands.
The commandments are summed up to love when we keep them. The Ten Commandments is the law of love. :)

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3

I agree, not everything is commandments. God made a distinction of His laws and the heath laws are not in the Ten Commandments, but they are part of His law.

Nehemiah 9:13
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.
 
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I’m more concerned about doing God’s will over mans. We should be protecting the environment, but thats not what this is really about, there might be some elements of that in there, but it’s more about control. The devil when making his case against God in heaven with the other angles didn’t come out and say he wanted to be evil. He took some truth sprinkled with lies, which makes it a lie and if one does not have their eyes wide open grounded in the Word of God, they will be deceived, like we are told in the scriptures.
Good. God has given us Matthew 7:12, and if someone harms their neighbors by emitting mercury in a coal burning plant, and so on -- harming our mutual home, the 'environment' -- then by hurting their neighbors these ways, they are breaking His stated will for us.

So anyone endorsing the evil of harming neighbors by harming the environment -- air, water, land -- they then need to repent, so that they might be forgiven on the day of judgement.
 
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Not sure if you accidentally overlooked these scriptures.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13
So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4
And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
Actually the Hebrew does not read 'Ten Commandments', that would be 'aseret hamitzvot' but instead it says

'Aseret hadebarim' --- Debar means 'WORD' debarim, means Words, so properly translated it says:

The 'TEN WORDS'
 
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Actually the Hebrew does not read 'Ten Commandments', that would be 'aseret hamitzvot' but instead it says

'Aseret hadebarim' --- Debar means 'WORD' debarim, means Words, so properly translated it says:

The 'TEN WORDS'
The Ten Words that God personally engraved on stone is found in Exodus 20 which is what most call the Ten Commandments, but can be called the Decalogue or called the Testimony in scripture. It can be called many things, but to me what is most important is what it means and how we apply it to our everyday Christian walk in obedience to His righteous law.

God bless!
 
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Actually the Hebrew does not read 'Ten Commandments', that would be 'aseret hamitzvot' but instead it says

'Aseret hadebarim' --- Debar means 'WORD' debarim, means Words, so properly translated it says:

The 'TEN WORDS'

James 1:22 comes to mind.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
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