Would you ever vote for a lawmaker who supports murdering babies?

[lifepsyop]

Looking at history and all it's atrocities, people always wonder why the Christian masses simply "went along" (although there are numerous examples of the few who sacrificed themselves)? But most of these events took place in Gov'ts where the people didn't have much of a say such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao...
But in America, we constantly have Christians who will vote for politicians who will make every effort to continue infanticide in our country because they value other issues as more important to them.
Not looking to argue...just trying to understand what the mindset is from those who feel this way? How do you justify this? Am I the one being too legalistic?
Thanks

reading some of these replies, you get an understanding for just how doomed we are... the Christians in America can't even come to a consensus on if it's right or wrong to kill children in the womb... as if that's so hard to figure out. I think as a society we are so in love with this story we tell ourselves of how much progress we've made with our 'sacred' liberal democracy... we become blind to mass atrocities happening under our nose.

Hitler's forces also believed they were incredibly enlightened, at the peak of social evolution. There's nothing new under the sun, and it appears we're just living in the days of Noah.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Looking at history and all it's atrocities, people always wonder why the Christian masses simply "went along" (although there are numerous examples of the few who sacrificed themselves)? But most of these events took place in Gov'ts where the people didn't have much of a say such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao...
But in America, we constantly have Christians who will vote for politicians who will make every effort to continue infanticide in our country because they value other issues as more important to them.
Not looking to argue...just trying to understand what the mindset is from those who feel this way? How do you justify this? Am I the one being too legalistic?
Thanks

We could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate. Bad enough our tax money goes for the murdering if pre-birthed infants.
It is make it or break it. Also public funding of teaching sodomy to children.

 

[dqhall]

We could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate. Bad enough our tax money goes for the murdering if pre-birthed infants.
It is make it or break it. Also public funding of teaching sodomy to children.

Tax money was spent dropping cluster bombs on Vietnamese rice paddies in the 60’s. It killed peasants going to work in the rice fields. Republicans and Democrats both funded the Vietnam War. Killing people with bombs and bullets is not merciful either. They might as well make a law against premarital sex or allow birth control. One sect does not believe birth control should be allowed, while they can not put an end to rape. They can not outlaw war, so tax payer’s dollars are wasted on weapons of war in the name of self defense. How many of those you called baby killers have actually killed a baby, performed an abortion, or needed an abortion?

 

[BobRyan]

I was merely pointing out you weren't exactly accurate in your use of scripture. I believe your extrapolation of a scripture to meet your own purposes is a stretch.

How so given the fact that exegesis on that topic provides two reference points ... one in Lev 18:21 and the other in Ex 21:22-23 showing that not only is killing babies wrong - but even accidentally killing the unborn was viewed negatively to the point of "eye for an eye".

That is worlds away from "well it is wrong to kill babies when worshiping false gods" as if that is a limit that we find in the text to when it is wrong.

As already noted:

In Ex 21:22-23 even accidentally killing the unborn baby would get the person -- the death penalty.

Ex 21:

"22 “Now if people struggle with each other and strike a pregnant woman so that she gives birth prematurely, but there is no injury, the guilty person shall certainly be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,"

 

[John Caldwell]

Would I ever support a lawmaker, politician, political party, etc. that supports abortion? No.

The reason is I believe we will be held accountable for our voices and to support such people or parties is to share in the responsibility for the murders.

I also would not support lawmakers, politicians, political parties, etc. that support the death penalty. Same reasons. And our judicial system simply does not meet the criteria set forth in Scripture for such a punishment.

 

[BobRyan]

If someone sees an evil that they know to be evil and takes no action to prevent it when others are gathered to try and oppose it -- are they considered "Complicit" in the sight of God? That is the question your statement brings up.

Rebuking would be opposing it?

sounds like

"I voted for it but I opposed it by rebuke"?

"I rebuked it while voting it in ?"|

"I voted for the group that stated they would support it if elected -- while rebuking it"?

I suspect you would not be so distant from it if what they were working to promote were "making Christianity illegal in America" instead of killing babies?

 

[BobRyan]

I also would not support lawmakers, politicians, political parties, etc. that support the death penalty. Same reasons. And our judicial system simply does not meet the criteria set forth in Scripture for such a punishment.

In Genesis 9 God calls for the death penalty for the crime of murder. Was He mistaken?

 

[BobRyan]

I am not stopping anyone to save babies, I just find there are other equally important issue like comprehensive immigration.

What issue do you have that is at the same level as killing babies in fact far beyond that such that promoting the group that publically states to their supporters - they will promote killing babies if elected?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Tax money was spent dropping cluster bombs on Vietnamese rice paddies in the 60’s. It killed peasants going to work in the rice fields. Republicans and Democrats both funded the Vietnam War. Killing people with bombs and bullets is not merciful either. They might as well make a law against premarital sex or allow birth control. One sect does not believe birth control should be allowed, while they can not put an end to rape. They can not outlaw war, so tax payer’s dollars are wasted on weapons of war in the name of self defense. How many of those you called baby killers have actually killed a baby, performed an abortion, or needed an abortion?

None of that justifies killing unborn infants. 10 wrongs to not make a wrong right.

 

[BobRyan]

Where did I say we need to kill babies to help someone else? I am not stopping anyone to save babies, I just find there are other equally important issue like comprehensive immigration.

Lev 18 is not about abortion , lets put the entire chapter here
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21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

Clearly it condemns killing babies in vs 21.

So also does Ex 21:

In Ex 21:22-23 even accidentally killing the unborn baby would get the person -- the death penalty.

Ex 21:
"22 “Now if people struggle with each other and strike a pregnant woman so that she gives birth prematurely, but there is no injury, the guilty person shall certainly be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,"

 

[BobRyan]

Let’s put Exodus 21 in context because it’s not about abortion
....
22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

It's the case of accidentally killing the unborn baby. And the penalty is stated as "life for life"

How is that providing any sort of air cover for "intentionally killing the unborn baby"? makes no sense as an argument in defense of that.

 

[John Caldwell]

In Genesis 9 God calls for the death penalty for the crime of murder. Was He mistaken?

The Law tells us many things. It tells us not to murder, to keep the Sabbath, not to steal.

What does the Law say about murder?

 

[Lost Witness]

If someone sees an evil that they know to be evil and takes no action to prevent it when others are gathered to try and oppose it -- are they considered "Complicit" in the sight of God? That is the question your statement brings up.

sounds like

"I voted for it but I opposed it by rebuke"?

"I rebuked it while voting it in ?"|

"I voted for the group that stated they would support it if elected -- while rebuking it"?

I suspect you would not be so distant from it if what they were working to promote were "making Christianity illegal in America" instead of killing babies?

Just don't vote, I Don't.

What point do you argue?
Don't vote.
Rebuke it and don't vote
Be set Apart.
Truth be told in regards to what you suspect.
LORD willing, that day comes. I will stand by MY GOD.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Would you ever vote for a lawmaker who supports murdering babies?​

Yes, I would, depending on what else is involved. One very important factor is the extent to which this lawmaker supports abortion. If he is promoting forced abortions by the government, that is worse than only allowing abortions, even though I don't think abortions should be allowed. Another factor is what else this lawmaker is likely to do as an office holder. Another factor is what his opponent in the election might do. Another factor is the character of the candidate and his opponent. All other things being equal, I would not vote for the candidate who supports abortion. But all things are generally NOT equal. That is why I could not give an answer based on so little information.

 

[Derf]

I don’t deny that saving unborn babies is giving justice to the poor. I believe abortion is sin and if we can, we should advocate for the unborn. My concern is that “ in the name of Unborn” , many Christians forget other teaching of Christ - “feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146).

What makes you think so many Christians are forgetting these other teachings? Is it because they don't apply them the same way you do? I.e., if a Christian advocates against welfare programs that feed the poor, but gives his own money to feed the poor, would you say he is forgetting Jesus' teachings? On the other hand, if a Christian does not give his own money to feed the poor, but advocates for more government programs that take money from others to feed the poor, is he, or is he not, remembering Jesus' teachings?

I am thankful you are fighting for the unborn , but I chose to fight for other issue. As a Christian, God gave us different gifts and passion. You are fighting for unborn, I am fighting for the widow, someone else fighting for the orphan and someone preaching the Gospel. One is not more important then others.

Your fights are valuable...IF you are using your own resources to help the widow or orphan. But if you fight to take from others to use for your causes, you are a hypocrite, because you ignore one part of the law (do not steal) in favor of another.

Finally, if I advocate for all things that Christ said to do, then I murder someone, or cheerfully vote someone into office to murder someone, how well have I done following Christ's commands?
[Jas 2:10 KJV] 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

 

[mindlight]

Looking at history and all it's atrocities, people always wonder why the Christian masses simply "went along" (although there are numerous examples of the few who sacrificed themselves)? But most of these events took place in Gov'ts where the people didn't have much of a say such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao...
But in America, we constantly have Christians who will vote for politicians who will make every effort to continue infanticide in our country because they value other issues as more important to them.
Not looking to argue...just trying to understand what the mindset is from those who feel this way? How do you justify this? Am I the one being too legalistic?
Thanks

In Europe, the choice is between two baby killers most of the time, so I pick the one who is best on the other issues. Politics is the art of the possible, not the ideal.

 

[dqhall]

None of that justifies killing unborn infants. 10 wrongs to not make a wrong right.

Premarital sex is not justified. It is forbidden - Ephesians 5:3. You might add outlawing premarital sex to your demands. Jesus outlawed adultery and lust. Is that not too strict? You might outlaw murder, war and assault rifles while you are at it. Adults should not be murdered too. If you get that far, you might not bear false witness also.

 

[Homeby5]

I get that there are other important issues but aren't their "lines" in the sand where you could NEVER vote for a candidate? Yes...we can debate the implications of certain laws and how they effect the poor and needy...but that is a subjective debate. There is nothing subjective about voting for a lawmaker that promises to murder babies. I just cannot imagine having to stand before God and justify that decision. If you think other issues are your line in the sand...simply don't vote then before you support a pro abortion candidate...no?

 

[dqhall]

I get that there are other important issues but aren't their "lines" in the sand where you could NEVER vote for a candidate? Yes...we can debate the implications of certain laws and how they effect the poor and needy...but that is a subjective debate. There is nothing subjective about voting for a lawmaker that promises to murder babies. I just cannot imagine having to stand before God and justify that decision. If you think other issues are your line in the sand...simply don't vote then before you support a pro abortion candidate...no?

 

[dqhall]

If you support a tax evading president, are you guilty of tax evasion?