Daily Christian Universalist Verses

[HSong]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

 

[Der Alte]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

Right! God does not lie. But this verse is deliberately misquoted to make it say what it most certainly does not say!

1 Corinthians 15:21-23
(21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

All mankind is "in Adam" because all mankind are literal descendants of Adam.
But all mankind is not "in Christ" that requires a conscious choice by each person in this life. Sinful mankind is NOT made alive "in Christ" by death.
Verse 23 makes it abundantly clear. Christ is the first fruits the first to be made alive.
Then "Afterward [NOT all mankind] they that are Christ's." To be made alive in Christ one must already belong to Christ.
Hope this helps.

 

[HSong]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

 

[Der Alte]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

The verse you quoted does not say, "Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ!" as you claim!

1 Corinthians 15:21-23
(21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

All mankind is "in Adam" because all mankind are literal descendants of Adam.
But all mankind is not "in Christ" that requires a conscious choice by each person in this life. Sinful mankind is NOT made alive "in Christ" by death.
Verse 23 makes it abundantly clear. Christ is the first fruits the first to be made alive.
Then "Afterward they that are Christ's." NOT all mankind! To be made alive in Christ one must already belong to Christ.
It does not matter how many times you post this verse you cannot make it say, "every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward all mankind at Christ's coming." Hope this helps.

 

[FineLinen]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

Believing into Christ is an awesome happening. The identical all in Adam, are the very ones made alive within the Christ.

All = all = all!

 

[Der Alte]

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Believing into Christ is an awesome happening. The identical all in Adam, are the very ones made alive within the Christ.
All = all = all!

Rubbish. Deliberate twisting of scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:21-23
(21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

You are partially correct. "Believing in Christ is an awesome happening." But only the living can do it.

1)Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten.
2) Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live: they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them and made all their memory to Perish.
3) Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
4) Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead rise and praise thee? Selah.
5)Psalms 88:11 Shall thy loving kindness be declared in the grave? thy faithfulness in destruction?
6)Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
7) John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me. while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
8) Psalms 30:9
What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
9) Psalms 115:17
17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
10) Psalms 88:5
5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.
11) Proverbs 11:7
7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth.
12) Proverbs 24:20 for the evildoer has no future hope and the lamp or the wicked will be snuffed out.
13) Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
14) Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:​

 

[HSong]

Luke 19:10: "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."

Everyone in the world is lost, for we have all sinned against God. But God specifically save Jesus Christ to save all of us who are lost, which is the whole world.

 

[Der Alte]

Luke 19:10: "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."
Everyone in the world is lost, for we have all sinned against God. But God specifically save Jesus Christ to save all of us who are lost, which is the whole world.

This is true, as far as it goes, but anyone can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting selective vss. out-of-context as you have done.
This same Jesus also said this.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Please note Jesus did NOT say "Everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus said, "Not every one ... shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Then He said that MANY, not a few, will call Him "Lord, Lord" and will brag about all the "wonderful works" they claim they did.
But Jesus will say to them, the many, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." When Jesus says "never," He does not mean "Someday by and by."
The same Jesus who said, "the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost" also said, "these shall go away into everlasting punishment."

Matthew 25:46
(46) And these shall go away into everlasting [aionios] punishment: [kolasis] but the righteous into life eternal.​

And the adjective "aionios" does not mean the noun "age" Also "kolasis," which is a noun, does NOT mean "prune/correction." both of which are verbs.

 

[HSong]

I agree FineLinen. All is always all!

Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"

Speaking of all, all sheep will be saved. Therefore, all people!

This is absolute assurance that God will save everyone. Even if one person is viewed by the world as extremely evil, God does not discriminate. We have all sinned and therefore God sees us all as sinners. Thus, God will save everyone.

 

[Der Alte]

I agree FineLinen. All is always all!
Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"
Speaking of all, all sheep will be saved. Therefore, all people!
This is absolute assurance that God will save everyone. Even if one person is viewed by the world as extremely evil, God does not discriminate. We have all sinned and therefore God sees us all as sinners. Thus, God will save everyone.

Nonsense! "All" in NOT always "all."
As I often say "Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context."
In this parable the lost sheep started out as a member of the flock. Is all mankind a member of the flock? For the shepherd to go looking for a lost sheep it must first be a member of the flock.

John 3:17-19
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.​

And we still have Matt 7:23.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Jesus did NOT say that "everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven." Jesus clearly said, "NOT every one ..., shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;"
And when MANY, not a few, Say to Jesus, "Lord, Lord, we have done many wonderful works in your name." Jesus will say to them, many, "I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." When Jesus says never, He means never not someday by and by.
There is also Matt 25:46.

Matthew 25:46
(46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.​

"Aionios" is an adjective so it can never be translated "age" which is a "noun."
The word "kolasis" translated "punishment" in Matt 25:46 occurs only twice in the NT. in Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18.

1 John 4:18
(18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment.[kolasis] He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

Note he that has "kolasis" is not made perfect, NO correction.
Don't you just hate it when you are always wrong?

 

[HSong]

John 3:17: "God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world be saved through Him."

God would not send Jesus to save the world if He knew before that the world could not be saved. God planned out from the beginning to save everyone and He will accomplish it through His Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Der Alte]

John 3:17: "God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world be saved through Him."
God would not send Jesus to save the world if He knew before that the world could not be saved. God planned out from the beginning to save everyone and He will accomplish it through His Son, Jesus Christ.

As I often say, "Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context."

John 10:25-31
(25) Jesus replied, “I told you and you do not believe. The deeds I do in my father’s name testify about me.
(26) But you refuse to believe because you are not my sheep.
(27) My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, [My sheep] and they [My sheep] follow me.
(28) I give them [My sheep] eternal [aionios] life [zoe], and they [My sheep] will never perish; no one will snatch them [My sheep] from my hand.
(29) My Father, who has given them [My sheep] to me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them [My sheep] from my Father’s hand.
(30) The Father and I are one.”
(31) The Jewish leaders picked up rocks again to stone him to death.​

There are two distinct groups here "my sheep" and "not my sheep."
Jesus' sheep will be given eternal life, they will never perish, no one can snatch them out of Jesus' hand. None of this applies to those who are not Jesus' sheep.
This vs. clearly shows that the Greek word "aionios" does mean "eternal." "Aionios" is paralleled with "will never perish;" and "no one will snatch them from my hand."

 

[HSong]

John 6:33: "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."

The world means everyone. While at the end of our limited lifespans we die, God will save all of us and give all of us life.

 

[Der Alte]

John 6:33: "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
The world means everyone. While at the end of our limited lifespans we die, God will save all of us and give all of us life.

But the whole world will not listen or obey.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, [MANY] I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

 

[HSong]

John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Everyone will be drawn to God. All people from every nation around the world will witness Jesus Christ’s free gift of salvation for us all!

 

[Hmm]

I always find the positivity, confidence and joy of the universalist perspective refreshing so please keep these verses coming!

 

[Hmm]

But the whole world will not listen or obey.

I imagine you go down very well at parties.

 

[Der Alte]

John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Everyone will be drawn to God. All people from every nation around the world will witness Jesus Christ’s free gift of salvation for us all!

Wrong! Does your Bible have Matthew 7:21-23? If it does not, I quoted it 2 posts above. Jesus does NOT say "everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven." He says, "Not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven." But many, not just a few, will call Him Lord, Lord and brag about all the "wonderful works" they claim they did in His name, but He will say to those many, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.,

 

[Der Alte]

I imagine you go down very well at parties.

You present a false gospel, which deliberately ignores many verses. See e.g.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, [MANY] I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Jesus does NOT say "everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven." He says, "Not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven." But many, not just a few, will call Him Lord, Lord and brag about all the "wonderful works" they claim they did in His name, but He will say to those many, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.,

 

[Hmm]

You present a false gospel, which deliberately ignores many verses.

You do mind-reading tricks too! Really popular at parties then.