The Gospel Plus Nothing

[FineLinen]

t

What verse are you quoting here because I don’t see it written that way.

The KJV translates the koine en as at, not in. The kings translators fell far short.

 

[FineLinen]

t

The KJV translates the koine en as at, not in. The kings translators fell far short.

What Does Philippians 2:10 Mean? "that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven and [things] on earth and [things] under the earth,."

 

[FineLinen]

The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father! ~TPT

 

[BNR32FAN]

t

The KJV translates the koine en as at, not in. The kings translators fell far short.

Abiding in Christ is not the same as bowing in the name of Christ. I would imagine the people mentioned in Matthew 7:21-23 would be bowing in His name since they were pretending to be abiding in Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father! ~TPT

Yes just like the people in Matthew 7:21-23. They proclaimed Jesus as Lord and did that save them?

 

[FineLinen]

Abiding in Christ is not the same as bowing in the name of Christ.

En is en is en

The worship within the Name, by the malista as forerunners of His love & grace, sets the pattern for all of creation to follow in the ages to come.

 

[Der Alte]

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The KJV translates the koine en as at, not in. The kings translators fell far short.

I see. When the KJV supports your assumptions/presuppositions, they are right but when they don't then they are wrong. How convenient. How many semesters of koine Greek have you had?

 

[Clare73]

Superior Plan A=

"Faithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance: and this is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, that we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind and especially believers. Command this and teach this."

God offers salvation to all, and God gives salvation to believers.

BNR: How can I be so slow? All must be some.
1 Cor. 15:22
Superior Plan A
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Yes, all "in Adam" die, and all "in Christ" are made alive.

But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and authority and power."

 

[Der Alte]

Abiding in Christ is not the same as bowing in the name of Christ. I would imagine the people mentioned in Matthew 7:21-23 would be bowing in His name since they were pretending to be abiding in Him.

All of Christ's enemies will be bowing in His name when He makes them His footstool.
@FineLinen
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;​

But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.​

What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22-24
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.…
24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.
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Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.​

The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool, vs. 24, then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
The enemies of Jesus become His footstool, as the enemies of Joshua did, and nowhere is it written that those enemies specifically will be reconciled.

 

[Ligurian]

If you love Jesus, you will not have to be commanded to love him. Why is it you have to be told not to sin against the Lord. Paul said, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. Are you lawless and disobedient? Jesus said, "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Obedience motivated by love, not by law.

Do you Keep the Commandments given to the 12 Disciples? or not?

 

[FineLinen]

God offers salvation to all, and God gives salvation to believers.

God our heavenly Lord does not make offers. He speaks out of Himself to bring to pass His intention.

God is the Saviour of all mankind, not some of mankind, the radical all of pas. Believers are the "especially" of His salvation.

Especially is not only!

 

[Der Alte]

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[FineLinen]

Should bow = kampto =

To honour, used by worshippers in veneration of Jah.

 

[Clare73]

God our heavenly Lord does not make offers. He speaks out of Himself to bring to pass His intention.

God is the Saviour of all mankind, not some of mankind, the radical all of pas. Believers are the "especially" of His salvation.

Especially is not only!

This is not orthodox Christianity.

Salvation is offered in the Scriptures, in the pulpit and by Christian witnesses in the name of Christ.

 

[Der Alte]

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God our heavenly Lord does not make offers. He speaks out of Himself to bring to pass His intention.
God is the Saviour of all mankind, not some of mankind, the radical all of pas. Believers are the "especially" of His salvation.
Especially is not only!

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
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Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

 

[FineLinen]

This is not orthodox Christianity.

Salvation is offered in the Scriptures, in the pulpit and by Christian witnesses in the name of Christ.

This is the unorthodox section of C.F.

In pulpits you will find preachers offering salvation if you will follow certain rules.

Our Lord speaks out of Himself to bring to pass His intention.

 

[Clare73]

This is the unorthodox section of C.F.

We are agreed this is not orthodox Christianity.

.

 

[Ligurian]

God requires two things for the salvation of lost sinners.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

2. A perfect atonement for their and the sins of all of humanity.

Jeremiah 7:21-23 Thus saith the Lord, Gather your whole-burnt-offerings with your meat-offerings, and eat flesh.[22] For I spoke not to your fathers, and commanded them not in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice:[23] but I commanded them this thing, saying, Hear ye My voice, and I will be to you a God, and ye shall be to Me a people: and walk ye in all My ways which I shall command you, that it may be well with you.

Matthew 9:11-13 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto His Disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?[12] But when Ιησους heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.[13] But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Hosea 6:6 For I will [have] mercy rather than sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than whole-burnt-offerings.LXX

“Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
[...]
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” Jer 31:33-34

John 15 is part of the Passover Sermon... with the 12 Disciples.
...the text goes on to say:
John 15:10 If ye keep My Commandments ye shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's Commandment and abide in His love. (John 12:49-50)

Jeremiah 7:22-23, Jeremiah 11:2-5, Jeremiah 24:7, Jeremiah 31:1 = the 12 tribes.

If I were in your shoes, I'd try something different, in these last days... instead of claiming the 12 tribes have no home to return to, because everything belongs to the gentile's now.

 

[fhansen]

John 15 is part of the Passover Sermon... with the 12 Disciples.
...the text goes on to say:
John 15:10 If ye keep My Commandments ye shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's Commandment and abide in His love. (John 12:49-50)

Jeremiah 7:22-23, Jeremiah 11:2-5, Jeremiah 24:7, Jeremiah 31:1 = the 12 tribes.

If I were in your shoes, I'd try something different, in these last days... instead of claiming the 12 tribes have no home to return to, because everything belongs to the gentile's now.

John 15 is solidly new covenant. And everything belongs to everyone now. The veil is broken for all to have access to the Holy of Holies. And with that access, by being God's people, we now have the love that comes from fellowship with Him, the mercy and compassion that He desires of us.

 

[Ligurian]

This is not orthodox Christianity.
Salvation is offered in the Scriptures, in the pulpit and by Christian witnesses in the name of Christ.

Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master: Christ; and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers, for one is your Teacher: Christ.
καθηγητής = guide, teacher, master.
ποιμήν = shepherd, pastor.
John 10:1-16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught by God. Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned from the Father, cometh unto Me. (Isaiah 54:13-15)

John 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me:[27] And ye also shall bear witness because ye have been with Me from the beginning. (Passover Sermon)
Isaiah 43:1-13 Be ye My witnesses, and I too am a witness, saith the Lord God, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe and understand that I am He: before Me there was no other God, and after Me there shall be none.[11] I am God, and beside Me there is no Saviour.[12] I have declared and have saved, I have reproached and there was no strange god among you: ye are My witnesses and I am the Lord God,[13] even from the beginning; and there is none that can deliver out of My hands: I will work, and who shall turn it back? (John 10:29)