The Gospel Plus Nothing

[FineLinen]

Nonsense 101!

Pas radically means all without exception, without distinction.

Pas may be slightly less powerful than ta panta which is "the all."

Superior Plan A=

"Faithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance: and this is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, that we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind and especially believers. Command this and teach this."

Plan b=

"Faithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance: and this is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, that we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of some of mankind and especially believers. Command this and teach this."

 

[BNR32FAN]

Nonsense 101!

Pas radically means all without exception, without distinction.

Pas may be slightly less powerful than ta panta which is "the all."

So all in the entire country of Judea were coming to John the Baptist to be baptized? Did that include all the Pharisees, Sadducees, the Gentiles, and the entire Roman army in Judea? Surely they must have if “pas means all without exception”.

 

[FineLinen]

So all in the entire country of Judea were coming to John the Baptist to be baptized? Did that include all the Pharisees, Sadducees, the Gentiles, and the entire Roman army in Judea? Surely they must have if “pas means all without exception”.

BNR: How can I be so slow? All must be some.

1 Cor. 15:22

Superior Plan A

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and authority and power."

Alternate Plan b=

"For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power."

Rev. 5:13

Superior Plan A

"And all created beings that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages"

Alternate Plan b=

"And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages."

 

[BNR32FAN]

When you say, "We must obey" that is law. If you do anything because you "must" that is law. Catholicism is a must, must, must religion. Like the Pharisees you must obey the law. It is not possible for you to live by faith, it "must" be by faith plus works or you believe that you are not saved.

Right here Paul says faith alone is nothing.

“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:1-3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

BNR: How can I be so slow? All must be some.

1 Cor. 15:22

Superior Plan A

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and authority and power."

Alternate Plan b=

"For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power."

Rev. 5:13

Superior Plan A

"And all created beings that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages"

Alternate Plan b=

"And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages."

You didn’t answer my question. Did all the Pharisees, Sadducees, Gentiles, and the entire Roman Army in Judea come to John the Baptist to be baptized?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not sure that you understand what it means to be "In Christ".

To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your righteousness and that you are trusting in his righteousness for your salvation.

To be "In Christ" means that you have ceased from your own works and religion and that you are resting and trusting in his work for your salvation.

To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your attainments and that you are trusting in his atonement for your sins.

Can you provide scriptural evidence to support these statements because this is what I’ve found about what it means to be “in Christ”.

“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[RobertPate]

Right here Paul says faith alone is nothing.

“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:1-3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

No, he didn't say that faith is nothing.
Without faith you will not have love. Everything comes from faith.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, he didn't say that faith is nothing.
Without faith you will not have love. Everything comes from faith.

And if I have all faith so as to move mountains but I have not love I am nothing. Faith without love is nothing.

 

[RobertPate]

Can you provide scriptural evidence to support these statements because this is what I’ve found about what it means to be “in Christ”.

“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The law and the commandments have been abolished for the Christian, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. So, that is not the way to be "In Christ". Those that are "In Christ" have renounced their righteousness and are trusting in the righteousness of Christ for their salvation. Those that are "In Christ" are resting and trusting in what Jesus has accomplished on their behalf, plus nothing. No works, no religion, just faith alone.

 

[BNR32FAN]

BNR: How can I be so slow? All must be some.

1 Cor. 15:22

Superior Plan A

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and authority and power."

Alternate Plan b=

"For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power."

Rev. 5:13

Superior Plan A

"And all created beings that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages"

Alternate Plan b=

"And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages."

Amen all in Christ will be saved, doesn’t say anything about those who are not in Christ being saved.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The law and the commandments have been abolished for the Christian, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. So, that is not the way to be "In Christ". Those that are "In Christ" have renounced their righteousness and are trusting in the righteousness of Christ for their salvation. Those that are "In Christ" are resting and trusting in what Jesus has accomplished on their behalf, plus nothing. No works, no religion, just faith alone.

So John got it wrong then?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The law and the commandments have been abolished for the Christian, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. So, that is not the way to be "In Christ". Those that are "In Christ" have renounced their righteousness and are trusting in the righteousness of Christ for their salvation. Those that are "In Christ" are resting and trusting in what Jesus has accomplished on their behalf, plus nothing. No works, no religion, just faith alone.

Hallelujah!! Just believe in Jesus and your free to rape, steal, murder, worship satan, and even vote democratic and you’ll still be saved then huh?

 

[RobertPate]

So John got it wrong then?

The four Gospel including other New Testament books were written under the Old Covenant of laws and rules, that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Paul was a New Covenant Christian. If you want to hear the truth you will have to listen to Paul.

 

[RobertPate]

Hallelujah!! Just believe in Jesus and your free to rape, steal, murder, worship satan, and even vote democratic and you’ll still be saved then huh?

The Old Covenant of laws, rules and religion have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. If you want to be under the Old Covenant, then you will be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

 

[FineLinen]

Amen all in Christ will be saved, doesn’t say anything about those who are not in Christ being saved.

BNR: can you grasp what it means to be en/ in Christ?

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/ Jesus Christ.

Every is not tis.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The four Gospel including other New Testament books were written under the Old Covenant of laws and rules, that has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Paul was a New Covenant Christian. If you want to hear the truth you will have to listen to Paul.

The epistles of John were written around 60 years after Christ’s resurrection the epistle to the Ephesians was written before John’s epistles. So John was well aware of what Paul was teaching when he wrote it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

BNR: can you grasp what it means to be en/ in Christ?

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/ Jesus Christ.

Every is not tis.

Absolutely I can brother, Robert and I are currently discussing that very definition. To which I quoted 1 John 2

“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I’m just curious where do you get your definition of what it means to be “in Christ”? So far we have 3 very different definitions of the term only one of which was supported by scripture.

 

[FineLinen]

Absolutely I can brother, ‬‬

Then you are on the road to grasping the scope of en relating to all of Yah's creation.

Every knee bowing en/in Christ Jesus.

 

[BNR32FAN]

BNR: can you grasp what it means to be en/ in Christ?

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/ Jesus Christ.

Every is not tis.

Im guessing your not going to admit your mistake about the definition of pas are you?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then you are on the road to grasping the scope of en relating to all of Yah's creation.

Every knee bowing en/in Christ Jesus.

What verse are you quoting here because I don’t see it written that way.