The Gospel Plus Nothing

[FineLinen]

The Master is the Saviour of all mankind. His Name means salvation, reaching into the deep recesses of what we cannot do within ourselves. Perfect obedience to Father's holy law is not possible within ourselves!

Welcome to the One in whose faith we live.

We live by the faith of the son of God, NOT ours.

“My old identity has been co-crucified with Messiah and no longer lives; for the nails of his cross crucified me with him . And now the essence of this new life is no longer mine, for the Anointed One lives his life through me— we live in union as one! My new life is empowered by the faith of the Son of God who loves me so much that he gave himself for me, and dispenses his life into mine!" ~TPT

 

[RobertPate]

The Master is the Saviour of all mankind. His Name means salvation, reaching into the deep recesses of what we cannot do within ourselves. Perfect obedience to Father's holy law is not possible within ourselves!

Welcome to the One in whose faith we live.

We live by the faith of the son of God, NOT ours.

If God does not see you "In Christ" in the judgment, you will perish.

 

[Clare73]

God's remedy for lost sinners is a savior that will do for them that which they cannot do for themselves.
God requires two things for the salvation of lost sinners.
1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

Salvation and righteousness (justification) by obedience to God's command ended in the Garden.
Since then, righteousness (justification) has been only by faith (in the Promise, Jesus Christ, the seed--Genesis 15:6), Habakkuk 2:4; Galatians 3:11; Romans 3:28.

The law was given to reveal sin--not to give righteousness (Romans 3:20), and to lead us to faith in Christ, where we are no longer under the supervision of the law (Galatians 3:24-25), but of the Holy Spirit who puts the law in our hearts.

2. A perfect atonement for their and the sins of all of humanity.

The sacrifice must be perfect to count as payment of the debt of sin for those who believe in/trust on it (Romans 3:25) and the High Priest who offered it (John 3:18).

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met both of these requirements. So that we can say with all confidence that, "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.

 

[RobertPate]

Salvation and righteousness (justification) by obedience to God's command ended in the Garden.
Since then, righteousness (justification) has been only by faith (in the Promise, Jesus Christ, the seed--Genesis 15:6), Habakkuk 2:4; Galatians 3:11; Romans 3:28.

The law was given to reveal sin--not to give righteousness (Romans 3:20), and to lead us to faith in Christ, where we are no longer under the supervision of the law (Galatians 3:24-25), but of the Holy Spirit who puts the law in our hearts.

The sacrifice must be perfect to count as payment of the debt of sin for those who believe in/trust on it (Romans 3:25) and the High Priest who offered it (John 3:18).

I think that we both believe the same way, with a few minor discrepancies.

 

[FineLinen]

If God does not see you "In Christ" in the judgment, you will perish.

The experience of the amazing work bringing one to the Master places us in/en the Lord Jesus.

If you have had the experience, you are well on your way to grasping every knee bowing, every tongue confessing, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/en His Name.

 

[RobertPate]

The experience of the amazing work bringing one to the Master places us in/en the Lord Jesus.

If you have had the experience, you are well on your way to grasping every knee bowing, every tongue confessing, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/en His Name.

Not sure that you understand what it means to be "In Christ".

To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your righteousness and that you are trusting in his righteousness for your salvation.

To be "In Christ" means that you have ceased from your own works and religion and that you are resting and trusting in his work for your salvation.

To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your attainments and that you are trusting in his atonement for your sins.

 

[sparow]

If it is the Gospel plus something, like works and obedience, then it is not the Gospel.

God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

2. A perfect atonement for the sins of all of humanity.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met both of these Requirements. This is why Paul said to the Colossians, "You are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.

Proof that Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil is that Jesus now sits in heaven as, "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

All that is required of us is that we believe in Jesus, John 3:15, Plus nothing. If you add something to this Gospel, it is a perversion of the Gospel and is under the judgment of God, Galatians 1:6-10.

I believe your opening and closing statements are incorrect, and the middle seems to be wrong also.

You do seem to define a common false teaching as the Gospel; that is Jesus keeps the Law perfectly so that men do not have to keep it. The word "Gospel" isn't the problem so long as it refers to something that is true and useful.

I don't know that anything can be added to a false statement that could make it true or more false. I do not object to the placement of the word "Gospel" in scripture, but that word is something added; it is not a translation of any Greek word.

A correct translation would be:
That (or This) according to Mathew, and
That according to Mark, and
That according to Luke, and
That according to John, and

That according to Jesus; that is, "Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand". Implicit is Jesus is not going to repent on our behalf, which means He will not keep the Law on our behalf. In delivering the Kingdom, (confirming the old covenant), Jesus is performing God's part and responsibilities of the covenant (The Law and The Prophets); our part is to enter into the covenant and keep the commandments. Every thing Jesus has done and every thing He will do, is confirming God's part in the covenant; our part is to be faithful and obedient occupiers of the Kingdom, having been called by the Father and chosen by Christ.

From what I can gather Paul typically speaks to people he believes are called and chosen; by contrast Jesus typically spoke to people who were not called and chosen, calling them to repentance.

 

[Clare73]

The experience of the amazing work bringing one to the Master places us in/en the Lord Jesus.

If you have had the experience, you are well on your way to grasping every knee bowing, every tongue confessing, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/en His Name.

Does bringing one to the Master include belief in and trust on his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) for the remission of one's sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty,"
declared righteous (justification--sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge)?

 

[Clare73]

Not sure that you understand what it means to be "In Christ".
To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your righteousness and that you are trusting in his righteousness for your salvation.
To be "In Christ" means that you have ceased from your own works and religion and that you are resting and trusting in his work for your salvation.
To be "In Christ" means that you have renounced your attainments and that you are trusting in his atonement for your sins.

Being in Christ, in addition to the righteousness of justification
(declared righteous by faith apart from faith's own works, sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge),
also includes the righteousness of sanctification--obedience in the Holy Spirit which leads to righteousness leading to holiness (Romans 6:16, Romans 6:19),

"For without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14).

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[FineLinen]

Does bringing one to the Master include belief in and trust on his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) for the remission of one's sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty,"
declared righteous (justification--sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge)?

Clare: The Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself. He means it. When we read of all bowing befire Hin in both covents

 

[Clare73]

Does bringing one to the Master include belief in and trust on his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) for the remission of one's sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty,"
declared righteous (justification--sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge)?

Clare: The Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself. He means it. When we read of all bowing befire Hin in both covents

So that's a "no."

 

[FineLinen]

Does bringing one to the Master include belief in and trust on his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) for the remission of one's sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty,"
declared righteous (justification--sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge)?

Clare: When the Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself unto Himself, He means it! When Yah declares, in both covenants, every knee bowing before Him, we may rest assured it shall surely come to pass!

The experience of the amazing work bringing one to the Master places us in/en the Lord Jesus.

If you have had the experience, you are well on your way to grasping every knee bowing, every tongue confessing, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/en His Name.

 

[Clare73]

Does bringing one to the Master include belief in and trust on his atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) for the remission of one's sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty,"
declared righteous (justification--sentence of acquittal of guilt by the Judge)?

Clare: When the Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself unto Himself, He means it! When Yah declares, in both covenants, every knee bowing before Him, we may rest assured it shall surely come to pass!

The experience of the amazing work bringing one to the Master places us in/en the Lord Jesus.

If you have had the experience, you are well on your way to grasping every knee bowing, every tongue confessing, in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in/en His Name.

I hear you, but your "no" answer puts you in disagreement with the NT word of God.

Keeping in mind that "all" has two meanings:
1) all without exception (every person),
2) all without distinction (both Gentile and Jew).

Are you sure it is not the second one?

 

[Der Alte]

I believe your opening and closing statements are incorrect, and the middle seems to be wrong also.
You do seem to define a common false teaching as the Gospel; that is Jesus keeps the Law perfectly so that men do not have to keep it. The word "Gospel" isn't the problem so long as it refers to something that is true and useful.
I don't know that anything can be added to a false statement that could make it true or more false. I do not object to the placement of the word "Gospel" in scripture, but that word is something added; it is not a translation of any Greek word.
A correct translation would be:
That (or This) according to Mathew, and
That according to Mark, and
That according to Luke, and
That according to John, and
That according to Jesus; that is, "Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand". Implicit is Jesus is not going to repent on our behalf, which means He will not keep the Law on our behalf. In delivering the Kingdom, (confirming the old covenant), Jesus is performing God's part and responsibilities of the covenant (The Law and The Prophets); our part is to enter into the covenant and keep the commandments. Every thing Jesus has done and every thing He will do, is confirming God's part in the covenant; our part is to be faithful and obedient occupiers of the Kingdom, having been called by the Father and chosen by Christ.
From what I can gather Paul typically speaks to people he believes are called and chosen; by contrast Jesus typically spoke to people who were not called and chosen, calling them to repentance.[/

The word "gospel" occurs in the NT 98 times. It translates the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον/evaggelion literally good message.
"Gospel" a word of Anglo-Saxon origin, and meaning "God's spell",

 

[BNR32FAN]

If it is the Gospel plus something, like works and obedience, then it is not the Gospel.

God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

2. A perfect atonement for the sins of all of humanity.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met both of these Requirements. This is why Paul said to the Colossians, "You are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.

Proof that Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil is that Jesus now sits in heaven as, "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

All that is required of us is that we believe in Jesus, John 3:15, Plus nothing. If you add something to this Gospel, it is a perversion of the Gospel and is under the judgment of God, Galatians 1:6-10.

I would imagine that most satanists believe in Jesus, they just don’t prefer Him over their sins.

 

[FineLinen]

I hear you, but your "no" answer puts you in disagreement with the NT word of God.

That's not a good place to be.

Clare: The word of the Lord stands!

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension in/en His Name.

 

[Clare73]

Clare: The word of the Lord stands!

Agreed. . .

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension in/en His Name.

The text does not state that.

And which would include Satan and the demons, so it does not mean salvation.

He will draw all mankind to himself.

Keeping in mind that "all" has two meanings:
1) all without exception (every person),
2) all without distinction (both Gentile and Jew).

Are you sure it is not the second one?

 

[Der Alte]

...

Clare: The word of the Lord stands!
Every knee, every tongue, every dimension in/en His Name.

Many of those knees bowing will not be faithful followers they will be the enemies of Jesus becoming His footstool. And I don't see any vss. saying they will get up filled with warm fuzzies for Jesus. The enemies becoming a footstool must be important it is repeated 7 times.
…..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
…..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]​

After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;​

But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.​

 

[FineLinen]

I hear you, but your "no" answer puts you in disagreement with the NT word of God.

Keeping in mind that "all" has two meanings:
1) all without exception (every person),
2) all without distinction (both Gentile and Jew).

Nonsense 101!

Pas radically means all without exception, without distinction.

Pas may be slightly less powerful than ta panta which is "the all."

 

[BNR32FAN]

You have the same doctrine as the Pharisees. It is all about you and your obedience. All of the Pharisees went to hell because they thought that their obedience was going to save them.

Under the New Covenant Paul said that the law had been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. Christians are not led by laws, rules and religion, they are motivated by their Love for Christ and his Gospel.

The Pharisees were not condemned because they thought their works would save them they were condemned because their hearts were far from God. They lacked love and compassion for others and were hypocrites who sought wealth and recognition of men.