Creation vs Evolution

[Bungle_Bear]

They are all gods to someone. So in stating God the student can adapt the reference to their own God or belief.

Ah, so what you are actually advocating is that the statement should be "it may, or may not, have been kicked off by a non-specific creative being"?

I don't see what value there is in that response. Could you explain?

 

[driewerf]

And they should be allowed to express their interest at work too. I worked in a hospital for a time and there were a few doctors that nealed in the corner of the room daily during their shift to pray no problem there.

Fine to see that you provide yourself an example that refutes post n° 41 of yours.

 

[Walk together]

Do you have actual answer, or just a dance move?

The answer is in the fact that God should be included in all aspects of the education system if the world is to come to terms with the fundamental reality of creation and a God that can humble and contain the family unit.

 

[driewerf]

Note I said mention what would be wrong with a science teacher starting of his/her class by saying OK kids let me teach you all about the solar system another one of God's creations.

If we speak of a science teacher teaching in a science class, then the above would be highly inappropriate as explained in this essay.
The tip of the ice berg
In a science class, scientific method and empirical evidence must be the tools in the toolbox. In a Sunday school the spiritual can be mentioned.
Please check this post:
My Day One Challenge

 

[driewerf]

The answer is in the fact that God should be included in all aspects of the education system if the world is to come to terms with the fundamental reality of creation and a God that can humble and contain the family unit.

In that case you will have to provide empirical evidence for god's existence. And that evidence will be inspected with the same rigor as let us say the theory of relativity or quantum mechanics. Do you think you want to go down that road?
Do you think you can meet these standards?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The answer is in the fact that God should be included in all aspects of the education system if the world is to come to terms with the fundamental reality of creation and a God that can humble and contain the family unit.

Got it. You want to ignore all other possibilities and impose your own, unevidenced belief. Why do you guys find it so hard to be honest about your reasoning? Why the continual dancing and pretence of balanced views when we all know that's a complete crock?

 

[driewerf]

If it's a religious studies class I don't see a problem with it, but why would God need to be brought up in a science class? Isn't that starting off an art class with a discussion of how to warm up for exercises? or starting a woodworking class with a discussion about covalent bonds in atoms? It simply isn't relevant for the subject.

Covalent bonds are very important. Every class, every working day should start with a review of covalent bonds, from kindergarten to retirement day.
World wide.

 

[Walk together]

I don't see what value there is in that response. Could you explain?

Yes, culture plays a big part in religion so we must respect the beliefs of all. There God may well be my God just by another name.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Yes, culture plays a big part in religion so we must respect the beliefs of all. There God may well be my God just by another name.

Hang on, you just said we need to ignore all other creative beings and push God. Now you say we don't push God, but acknowledge the possibility of other creative beings or no creative being at all.

Please, just pick one argument and stick to it.

 

[Walk together]

Fine to see that you provide yourself an example that refutes post n° 41 of yours.

No, you just don't get it the fact that some arias of society are accepting of one's religion and others shy away like schools. Yes, we all start praying at the hospital bedside we all call out to God at a time of great need but don't bring it to work or school you may be ridiculed.

 

[Walk together]

then the above would be highly inappropriate as explained in this essay.

I wouldn't hang up my bible based on that nonsense.

 

[Walk together]

you just said we need to ignore all other creative beings and push God.

I can't see where I stated that.

 

[Walk together]

Please, just pick one argument and stick to it.

I think you have misinterpreted one of my statements just like you would misinterpret the bible if you tried to read it.

 

[Walk together]

God says that he hears all our prayers but those that blaspheme God will not have their prayers answered.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I think you have misinterpreted one of my statements just like you would misinterpret the bible if you tried to read it.

Be clear - are you advocating "it may have been kicked off by God" (capital G, with all the baggage that name comes with) because we need "to come to terms with the fundamental reality of creation and a God that can humble and contain the family unit." Or are you advocating "it may, or may not, have been kicked off by a non-specific creative being" allowing students to decide for themselves?

If the latter, the statement adds nothing of value. So why would it be required?

 

[driewerf]

I wouldn't hang up my bible based on that nonsense.

1) Nobody asks you to hang up your bible.
2) What nonsense? I wrote an essay, documented with examples of creationist's behaviour. If you think it's nonsense, then highlight what is wrong with it. (Edit: preferably in the appropriate thread.)

 

[Walk together]

Or are you advocating "it may, or may not, have been kicked off by a non-specific creative being" allowing students to decide for themselves?

I have always stated that God created all things as I am a Christian and I am a believer in the bible in a literal sense.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I have always stated that God created all things as I am a Christian and I am a believer in the bible in a literal sense.

You didn't answer my question. Please stop the dancing and avoidance.

 

[Walk together]

I wrote an essay, documented with examples of creationist's behaviour.

If any creationist has misled or deviated from the truth then that shows how nobody is perfect. you see we are all born as evolutionists but we must learn to be believers in God and once we find God there is no turning back just like the truth can not be made into a lie. God had his words transcripted to paper so we can learn as he knew we would otherwise remain as the dirt. So I am very sorry that you have a story to tell that is contrary to the truth but there are bad apples on every apple tree.

 

[Walk together]

You didn't answer my question. Please stop the dancing and avoidance.

My apologies Yes at the end of the day every person must make up their own mind but they must first hear both sides of all things first. My belief can be believed or dismissed it's called free will.