Creation vs Evolution

[driewerf]

If any creationist has misled or deviated from the truth then that shows how nobody is perfect.

"Not perfect" is an Orwellian understatement as one can be. I still must see any creationist that doesn't lie, distort or ignore any science. I must still se any creationists that has ever corrected a mistake or shown any inclination to learn what they are talking about and ranting against. If for no other reason than to better refute the Theory of Evolution, they should study it.
But despite many offers to explain it, no creationist has ever accepted it. Not here, not on other boards, not the professional creationists like Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Matt Powell, Ray Comfort and so on.
The "deviated from the truth" is not an error, it's the only way they - you - know.

As for my "nonsense", you haven't still shown where my two essays were wrong.
Don't be shy to go into the details.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

My apologies Yes at the end of the day every person must make up their own mind but they must first hear both sides of all things first. My belief can be believed or dismissed it's called free will.

Let's be very clear here. You are advocating this statement: "it may, or may not, have been kicked off by a non-specific creative being" allowing students to decide for themselves, right? Remember, this is a science class, not religious education class.

In which case, as I said before, the statement has no value. So why should it be required?

 

[Mr Laurier]

It's not really OK it,s a shame that mentioning God in a classroom is interpreted by many as shaving religion down the throats of children.

If mentioning God in a classroom, was interpreted as shoving religion down children's throats, you might have a point.
Its not though.

 

[Walk together]

Don't be shy to go into the details.

I don't need to read your essays as I can understand your point of view. why don't you ask me to explain to you how something from science that disputes the existence of God and I will be happy to explain the misinterpretation of your choice if I can.

 

[Walk together]

f mentioning God in a classroom, was interpreted as shoving religion down children's throats, you might have a point.
Its not though.

It's a pity that some people think it is.

 

[Walk together]

as I said before, the statement has no value. So why should it be required?

Just mentioning God is like planting a seed one day that seed may feed you.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Just mentioning God is like planting a seed one day that seed may feed you.

So? Once again you refuse to give a straightforward, relevant answer. Why can you guys not be honest about these things?

 

[driewerf]

I don't need to read your essays

That's obvious. You prefer to discuss what you know nothing about.

as I can understand your point of view.

Of course you can. The less you know the better you can lure yourself into believing that you can refute my essay. No need to know what you're talking about.

why don't you ask me to explain to you how something from science that disputes the existence of God

What gibberish are you producing here. "Science" is neutral on the existence of god, God or gods. So you don't have to explain to me something that isn't true from the start.

and I will be happy to explain the misinterpretation of your choice if I can.

You can't. Because that is not "the choice" that I made. You can't because you don't want to know what you are talking about. You are by now a very good example of the attitudes and behaviour of creationists as described in this essay The tip of the ice berg
Above all, don't learn. You are a living refutation of your own words: "If any creationist has misled or deviated from the truth then that shows how nobody is perfect." It's not "deviating from the truth". It's a visceral fear of the truth. It's being capable of only knocking down strawmen, because reality is way too robust for you guys.

 

[Mr Laurier]

It's a pity that some people think it is.

I know of no such people.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Just mentioning God is like planting a seed one day that seed may feed you.

No. Its more like mentioning Unicorn.
A random bit of nothing

 

[Walk together]

So? Once again you refuse to give a straightforward, relevant answer. Why can you guys not be honest about these things?

I don't understand where you are coming from I don't believe in shoving the bible down anyone's throat but I do feel free to share what I believe to be true and I do respect others' points of view.

 

[Walk together]

I know of no such people.

And all those that are opposed to mentioning God in the classroom you must read all the previous comments and statements.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I don't understand where you are coming from I don't believe in shoving the bible down anyone's throat but I do feel free to share what I believe to be true and I do respect others' points of view.

You cannot answer a simple question - should God be pushed in a science class?

 

[AV1611VET]

They are all gods to someone. So in stating God the student can adapt the reference to their own God or belief.

They expect us to give equal airtime to other religions and their deities, then expect us to reject those other religions, as well as our own.

In essence, to throw our baby out with the bathwater.

And we're refusing to do that.

Therefore we're everything and anything but human; not fit to use a computer or live in a house.

Mohammad expected the Christians of his time to drop their core beliefs and follow him, and they wouldn't do it; and they paid a very dear price for it.

Fortunately in America, we have the Bill of Rights that insure that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

Or else history would repeat itself.

Today's science fosters hostility, hatred, and zero-tolerance towards religion in general -- and Christianity in particular.

Here's a prime example:

Bob Larson vs Winnipeg

 

[Walk together]

No. Its more like mentioning Unicorn.
A random bit of nothing

Many things are said in the classroom and much falls on deaf ears.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

They expect us to give equal airtime to other religions and their deities, then expect us to reject those other religions, as well as our own.

In essence, to throw our baby out with the bathwater.

And we're refusing to do that.

Therefore we're everything and anything but human; not fit to use a computer or live in a house.

Mohammad expected the Christians of his time to drop their core beliefs and follow him, and they wouldn't do it; and they paid a very dear price for it.

Fortunately in America, we have the Bill of Rights that insure that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

Or else history would repeat itself.

Today's science fosters hostility, hatred, and zero-tolerance towards religion in general -- and Christianity in particular.

Here's a prime example:

Bob Larson vs Winnipeg

So much knowing wrongness. You're reduced to playing the false martyr card. Is that all you have left?

 

[Walk together]

should God be pushed in a science class?

No, nothing can be pushed as you put it. Speaking of God or mentioning God is not forcing God on anyone.

 

[AV1611VET]

So much knowing wrongness. You're reduced to playing the false martyr card. Is that all you have left?

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

No, nothing can be pushed as you put it. Speaking of God or mentioning God is not forcing God on anyone.

Speaking of God rather than any other creative being, or acknowledging that such a being may not exist would certainly be seen as pushing a particular belief. Therefore my question stands: why should the statement "it may have been kicked off by God" be included in a science class?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Thanks for the QED.

You have no idea what QED means, do you?

 

[Mr Laurier]

And all those that are opposed to mentioning God in the classroom you must read all the previous comments and statements.

The issue is not the mentioning God. But the preaching of a specific religion.
ANY specific religion. And making conversion a precondition to a passing grade.
If a Muslim teaching math in high school, devoted most of class time to preaching Islam, and demands that students profess their belief of Islamic doctrine before they can pass the course... is this acceptable?
A simple yes or no will do.