Creation vs Evolution

[Kylie]

No.

I said that a teacher should not, in the course of teaching students, include things that are not part of the curriculum, and you immediately go to, "Well, I guess they should replace all the teachers with robots so that doesn't happen." Seems like an overreaction to me.

I have no problem with a teacher engaging in friendly conversation with students. I have no problem with a teacher being a Christian, and I have no problem with a teacher being open about his religion with his students. I just have a problem with a teacher's religion influencing the way they teach the subject they were hired to teach, and I have a problem with a science teacher basing any part of their lesson on their religious faith.

Replacing the teachers with robots is not the most rational solution.

 

[SelfSim]

And if I was the teacher of that class I would refer the student to a biblical class as they don't have to believe or already know about everything. eg: The roses smell lovely this morning class today's lesson is all about botany. Which tex book is that in sir.

That would have been the end of that teacher in the high school I attended, (ie: if it was a male teacher). I mean smellin' lovely roses?? What sorta bloke does that nonsense?
Unlikely he would have survived the ensuing harassment for another year or so.

 

[Walk together]

I have a problem with a science teacher basing any part of their lesson on their religious faith.

I disagree eg: In a class of Astro physics if a student asked the teacher how did the universe begin would it be wrong for the teacher to say it all started with a singularity that may or may not be kicked off by God. As we all know the big bang has quite a bit of conjecture about it and can never be proven yet some teachers like to make a solid case for the big ban theory. I say let's include God in all topics until proven false not wait till proven true. After all, there are many lines of science that are discussed in a class that are not fully understood.

 

[Walk together]

That would have been the end of that teacher in the high school I attended

Some children need to learn a bit about humility they all cry like babies at the end of the day. A good man can smell the roses one minute and have good disciplinary skills the next.

 

[SelfSim]

Some children need to learn a bit about humility they all cry like babies at the end of the day. A good man can smell the roses one minute and have good disciplinary skills the next.

Ahh .. the need to physically dominate kids, eh?
Very weak .. (but considered as being a badge of honour at my old school).
Not allowed nowadays tho.

 

[Walk together]

the need to physically dominate

Disciplinary action doesn't need to be physical. Most kids that come to school with an attitude are usually suffering from abuse at home so we can blame mum or dad assuming the child has two parents.

 

[SelfSim]

.. Most kids that come to school with an attitude are usually suffering from abuse at home so we can blame mum or dad assuming the child has two parents.

Just what kind of 'attitude' are you talking about? A kid who asks for proof, or a textbook reference, has a punishable 'attitude' which can be blamed on parental abuse in your book, eh? With zero evidence, or an investigation?

Here we see the end result of religious beliefs.

All I see is a kid with an inquiring mind.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I disagree eg: In a class of Astro physics if a student asked the teacher how did the universe begin would it be wrong for the teacher to say it all started with a singularity that may or may not be kicked off by God. As we all know the big bang has quite a bit of conjecture about it and can never be proven yet some teachers like to make a solid case for the big ban theory. I say let's include God in all topics until proven false not wait till proven true. After all, there are many lines of science that are discussed in a class that are not fully understood.

If we say "it may have been kicked off by God", shouldn't we also acknowledge that it may have been kicked off by Allah/Brahma/Black God/Ymir/<insert-every-other-creative-being-here>? If not, why not? What is wrong with keeping things simple and just saying "the universe started, we don't know why" and be done with it? It sure would save a lot of time.

 

[Kylie]

I disagree eg: In a class of Astro physics if a student asked the teacher how did the universe begin would it be wrong for the teacher to say it all started with a singularity that may or may not be kicked off by God. As we all know the big bang has quite a bit of conjecture about it and can never be proven yet some teachers like to make a solid case for the big ban theory. I say let's include God in all topics until proven false not wait till proven true. After all, there are many lines of science that are discussed in a class that are not fully understood.

The problem is that the concept of God is unfalsifiable and thus has no place in a science class.

If your child came home and said their science teacher told them that the universe was created from the body of the giant Ymir, would you be accepting of that?

 

[Kylie]

If we say "it may have been kicked off by God", shouldn't we also acknowledge that it may have been kicked off by Allah/Brahma/Black God/Ymir/<insert-every-other-creative-being-here>? If not, why not? What is wrong with keeping things simple and just saying "the universe started, we don't know why" and be done with it? It sure would save a lot of time.

So cool that we both brought up Ymir completely independently.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

So cool that we both brought up Ymir completely independently.

Sweaty giants ftw!

 

[Walk together]

Just what kind of 'attitude' are you talking about?

I was responding to the teacher that was finished by the class that seems to think that smelling roses is out of order. This type of attitude is immature and requires some disciplinary action in the way of learning about having humility. Children go to school to learn how to become understanding and loving adults one day.

 

[Walk together]

If we say "it may have been kicked off by God", shouldn't we also acknowledge that it may have been kicked off by Allah/Brahma/Black God/Ymir/<insert-every-other-creative-being-here>? If not, why not? What is wrong with keeping things simple and just saying "the universe started, we don't know why" and be done with it? It sure would save a lot of time.

I think you are turning a simple statement into a complex issue and that is the reason in the first place for God being kicked out of the education system.

 

[Walk together]

the body of the giant Ymir,

I don't know what a giant Ymir is but I do know who God is.

 

[Walk together]

Sweaty giants ftw!

I can read backwards.

 

[Walk together]

So cool that we both brought up Ymir completely independently.

Your wit is my pleasure.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I can read backwards.

Cool. How about replying to my post #68?

 

[AV1611VET]

Note I said mention what would be wrong with a science teacher starting of his/her class by saying OK kids let me teach you all about the solar system another one of God's creations.

Indeed.

I once said this:

Every science student should be required to memorize this verse:

Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

As well as:

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

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[Bungle_Bear]

I think you are turning a simple statement into a complex issue and that is the reason in the first place for God being kicked out of the education system.

Do you have actual answer, or just a dance move?

 

[Walk together]

If we say "it may have been kicked off by God", shouldn't we also acknowledge that it may have been kicked off by Allah/Brahma/Black God/Ymir/<insert-every-other-creative-being-here>? If not, why not? What is wrong with keeping things simple and just saying "the universe started, we don't know why" and be done with it? It sure would save a lot of time.

They are all gods to someone. So in stating God the student can adapt the reference to their own God or belief.