Creation vs Evolution

[AV1611VET]

... and man has turned the sun against himself by bringing it to earth making science the greatest evil that feeds the devil and spoils the world that we live in. When all the world starts to fry there will be many that cries out to the Lord and ask for a miracle that they never before believed in.

Are you talking about this passage?

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

 

[SelfSim]

Are you talking about this passage?

He's/she's not talking. (They're typing and using science's 'evil' technologies).

 

[Bradskii]

You can't reject something that didn' exist yet.

You are rejecting science. Period. The process by which knowledge is gained. The sum of all that knowledge. You can't discount just the bits you don't like because it is all interlinked. You have to reject it in toto.

But you don't. You want your cake and eat it. That's not an option.

 

[Walk together]

Are you talking about this passage?

You have pointed out a relevant passage there but I was referring to and comparing a nuclear war with the heat of the sun on man. God created fusion in the sun to give us life man has created fusion to destroy life.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have pointed out a relevant passage there but I was referring to and comparing a nuclear war with the heat of the sun on man. God created fusion in the sun to give us life man has created fusion to destroy life.

Okay, thanks.

Do you believe, as some do, that this passage is describing the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust?

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

 

[Walk together]

Earth is our foster mother she did not give birth to us. Adam was placed on earth by the hand of God he was created to resemble his father in the flesh. It was free will that set us on a path of sin and it is the same free will that can accept the grace of God and place us on the road of forgiveness. We were given this life of free will to make the most important decision in our lives live forever or decay. Science only gives us one of these choices free will did not evolve it is a gift from God and it is our responsibility to use it wisely. How all this marvellous and diverse structure was planted in us is in the knowledge of God and not simply the passage of time. Evolution NO Creation YES.

 

[Walk together]

Do you believe, as some do, that this passage is describing the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust?

My knowledge of the scriptures is not sharp enough to decipher such text but I do believe that great fire can come from two main types of sources. one our Sun can deliver a powerful blast upon the earth by shedding a portion of its layer in our direction and mankind most certainly can dish out just as much destruction with the power at hand. The day of great destruction is most certainly coming upon the world. I long for the day that Jesus comes in the clouds and God's plan can be fulfilled.

 

[Frank Robert]

God created all that we know and all that we don't know all this took place over a six day period.

A literal reading of the bible is a minority religious belief even among Christians. Literalists should be converting their Christian brothers and sisters to their side before trying to convert "atheist" scientists.

 

[Frank Robert]

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Sounds like Revelations is describing man made climate change.

 

[Larniavc]

Δ[mass-energy]/time vs ΔΩ[alleles]/time

Feel free to discuss your POV.

Thanks.

I think religious beliefs should be ignored when engaging in science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sounds like Revelations is describing man made climate change.

It'll be climate change, alright.

But "man made"?

I doubt it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think religious beliefs should be ignored when engaging in science.

Should "religious beliefs" relinquish the podium when a scientist enters the room?

 

[Larniavc]

Should "religious beliefs" relinquish the podium when a scientist enters the room?

Yep. Religious belief must always make way for actual people.

 

[Frank Robert]

It'll be climate change, alright.

But "man made"?

I doubt it.

Climate normally takes thousands of year to change, man upped the anti in two centuries of releasing the carbon from fossil fuels that took a geological process of millions of years sometimes more than 650 million years to form. We have lived in period of too much magic which is now at an end.

There is nothing that can replace the energy density of fossil fuels needed by industrial society before we run out of their magic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Climate normally takes thousands of year to change, man upped the anti in two centuries of releasing the carbon from fossil fuels that took a geological process of millions of years sometimes more than 650 million years to form. We have lived in period of too much magic which is now at an end.

When I see tree huggers doing their part, namely cutting these out of their lives:

1. gas-powered cars
2. cement patios
3. glass windows
4. barbecue grills
5. fireplaces
6. pop
7. CO2 extinguishers

... then I'll consider how sincere they are.

 

[Mr Laurier]

When I see tree huggers doing their part, namely cutting these out of their lives:

1. gas-powered cars
2. cement patios
3. glass windows
4. barbecue grills
5. fireplaces
6. pop
7. CO2 extinguishers

... then I'll consider how sincere they are.

When I see tree huggers, I'll consider that they exist.

 

[Frank Robert]

When I see tree huggers doing their part, namely cutting these out of their lives:

1. gas-powered cars
2. cement patios
3. glass windows
4. barbecue grills
5. fireplaces
6. pop
7. CO2 extinguishers

... then I'll consider how sincere they are.

Knowing that people talk the talk but never walk the walk will keep the party going until reaching the limits of what we have left stops the party.

 

[AV1611VET]

When I see tree huggers, I'll consider that they exist.

Go for it:

 

[AV1611VET]

Knowing that people talk the talk but never walk the walk will keep the party going until reaching the limits of what we have left stops the party.

For sure.

 

[driewerf]

Should "religious beliefs" relinquish the podium when a scientist enters the room?

When the scientist wants to discuss spiritual subjects, then religion's rules and ways prevail. When scientific subjects (i.e. the physical world) are to be discussed, then the rules of science are to be followed. No matter who is discussing what.
the physical world is the realm of science, and then evidence is required. Arguments from authority are seen as a sign of weakness. And rejecting empirical evidence is a mortal sin.