True dat. For God so loved the world that most of the people who ever lived will be tortured forever. No smiley faces required.
Btw, I think the word is "torment", not that you care.
See below, near your ever-so-kind word, "blathering".
Not demise, but eternal life under torture. Where do you put the smiley face on that?
"torment", but...
You haven't illustrated any , so you're just blathering.
I did, with my example of God killing not being the same thing as man killing. If God killed without reason, as a madman or merely capriciously, he wouldn't be God anyway —the whole notion of God doing just as he says he does, is not up to us to judge, nor to define away. You want to be the arbiter of justice. Well, you are not up to the task. None of us is, when it comes to the deeds of the Almighty, the creator and owner of all things.
Also, when you characterize him as if he created them for the mere purpose of condemning them —that is, when you scream at only the part of his plan where they are in eternal conscious torment, as if that is all he made them for— you do his Word injustice. And that, the very Word you claim (below) I misinterpret and misuse.
Yep, do you? Or do you feel the need to "explain away" a lot of the Bible to support your favorite doctrines?
Strange how I see you do doing that. If God says they are in eternal conscious torment, they are. It is YOU who must come up with something different from what it plainly says, in so many places.
Yep. And again, do you? Or does it all have to run through a doctrinal filter to establish what it "really means"?
Unlike your own, no doubt. But I digress.
Trsanslating to "That Chinaman has gone against my doctrine again! How dare he?"
Huh?
You take issue with that, do you? Why? Uou don't expect honorable behavior from God?
Honorable? I'm beginning to think you don't think God is honorable, but who are you, to redefine what depends on God's very nature for definition?
But, I don't take is issue with what MacDonald says, but with your use of it. I agree wholeheartedly with him. You have no basis for claiming that our claims concerning God and what he does make him dishonorable. The Bible does not depend on your notions of love and goodness.
Kills a man why? For fun? Bad. Because a man offended him? Bad. Self defence? OK. How about if a man tortures another man all his life because the other man had offended him? Good or bad?
What do such questions have to do with God? This is ludicrous.
But the wages of sin is death. But the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I think it would be best to stop this kind of back and forth. It is not debate, but noise.