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Are you sure that you're not simply overlooking women who are into you? From my recent interactions with you it seems like you really prefer a proper Christian woman and feel that most "Christian" women are simply "lukewarm". I fear that you might be writing off potential prospects and even maybe not acknowledging the prospects you do have.

I have a difficult time believing that a single man in his early 30s with a good job is not at least garnering a little attention from women; especially women who are 30+. Men who are over the age of 29 should be hitting a dating stage in their life where the dynamics flip, with women striving more for our attention than the other way around.

I know you said you look like Bill Gates, but I don't see why that matters. He's not an ugly guy or anything. Simple modifying of appearance with clothing and hairstyles can drastically change the overall vibe of a person anyways.

I don't like seeing you like this, because I don't think you really need to be feeling this way.
I don't really know any single women.

I've been good this past week. (I tend to do better in the summer, it's weird). I'm enjoying my time alone. Having GF would probably get overwhelming. :/ I feel overwhelmed this past week. Maybe woman would help w/ that?
 
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I don't really know any single women.

I've been good this past week. (I tend to do better in the summer, it's weird). I'm enjoying my time alone. Having GF would probably get overwhelming. :/ I feel overwhelmed this past week. Maybe woman would help w/ that?

There should be plenty of single women out there. Especially around our ages. Many of them starting to freak out that their biological clock is ticking and wanting to settle down with a guy when they still have some youthful charm left. I am not saying they're all dateable or even emotionally healthy to be with, but they should be out there for you.

Just something I've noticed these past few years. Women taking on the more masculine initiative and asking me out and even saying inappropriate things to me like "I'd make a good husband". Most of these women are in their early to mid 30s. The older ones (40+) I believe know better and feel like it's not appropriate to pursue me.

I imagine for most men; this only becomes more intense the older we become. Personally, I yearn more for women in their early to mid 20s, and while I do attract attention from them, they prefer the guy to take the initiative and are not as eager. Unless they have a little weight on them (which I don't care about that much.. as long as the youthful glow is there). But the early 30s women have a very different vibe and tend to be more desperate regardless of weight. It's more akin to an early 20s man acting towards early 20s women.

Maybe you're just having bad luck, but I really, really, really don't see how you're not at least attracting some women who are around your age. I can understand working in a mostly male workforce, but there are plenty of connections online with local women. Plenty of them would be happy to jump on with a guy who has a good job, and his life mostly put together.

I don't know how much you care about age. You still can still pursue the younger ones; but if you're having some trouble with them, the older ones should be fairly easy to snag. I can understand not wanting to be with a woman who wants to pop out a kid or get married as soon as possible, but you can at least hang around them for some confidence boosts.
 
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There should be plenty of single women out there. Especially around our ages. Many of them starting to freak out that their biological clock is ticking and wanting to settle down with a guy when they still have some youthful charm left. I am not saying they're all dateable or even emotionally healthy to be with, but they should be out there for you.
That's what they say, but doesn't seem to be that. People have such a 'it'll happen when it happens' attitude, especially in Christian communities :(

Just something I've noticed these past few years. Women taking on the more masculine initiative and asking me out and even saying inappropriate things to me like "I'd make a good husband". Most of these women are in their early to mid 30s. The older ones (40+) I believe know better and feel like it's not appropriate to pursue me.
I do hear a lot of testimonies where it's the girl that pushes to go from just dating to wanting to go to the next step & actually being a girlfriend. Also testimonies where the girl initiates the dating process.
From what I understand, it's the guy that usually has to get the ball rolling on things by initiating initial conversations. I wish I could say I do that but I don't get to meet singles. :( Good news, after that, sounds like a lot of pressure gets taken off.

I imagine for most men; this only becomes more intense the older we become. Personally, I yearn more for women in their early to mid 20s, and while I do attract attention from them, they prefer the guy to take the initiative and are not as eager. Unless they have a little weight on them (which I don't care about that much.. as long as the youthful glow is there). But the early 30s women have a very different vibe and tend to be more desperate regardless of weight. It's more akin to an early 20s man acting towards early 20s women.

I don't know how much you care about age. You still can still pursue the younger ones; but if you're having some trouble with them, the older ones should be fairly easy to snag. I can understand not wanting to be with a woman who wants to pop out a kid or get married as soon as possible, but you can at least hang around them for some confidence boost
The man almost always is several years to a lot older than the girl, even in Christian communities. So I don't think you wanting a young lady is bad. It seems to be kind of a natural thing (& I'm not talking from the man's perspective, but from the woman's, that they are okay w/ dating older men).


I am 30. My range right now is 20 to 40.

Maybe you're just having bad luck, but I really, really, really don't see how you're not at least attracting some women who are around your age. I can understand working in a mostly male workforce, but there are plenty of connections online with local women. Plenty of them would be happy to jump on with a guy who has a good job, and his life mostly put together.
Thank you for saying that. Putting myself out there just leads to meeting men or women out of that date range. No one ever has a single friend or daughter they want to introduce me to. :(
 
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I am sad. It hurts today. I wish I knew how to fix it. I feel heart-broken.
Unfortunately it seems like the norm today is that women in the current generation seemingly are "going around" experiencing relationships or even casual hook-ups more often or at a faster rate than their male counterpart. That it's more common to see single men then the other way around.

Most out of all my female friends in my own age group alone on social media are not single. Several out of my male friends are single. Our men are being left behind.
 
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I am sad. It hurts today. I wish I knew how to fix it. I feel heart-broken.

What if it all worked out and you can't see it yet? It's a lot like driving. You know what's ahead but not around the bend. Cars enter at different intervals. Who's to say the one you want isn't driving beside you? God has a funny sense of humor.

You'll be okay. Keep saying it. Even when it seems otherwise. :)
 
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Unfortunately it seems like the norm today is that women in the current generation seemingly are "going around" experiencing relationships or even casual hook-ups more often or at a faster rate than their male counterpart. That it's more common to see single men then the other way around.

Most out of all my female friends in my own age group alone on social media are not single. Several out of my male friends are single. Our men are being left behind.

Where I live, it's a smallish community of towns, any woman that you see here that's relatively attractive...chances are they are spoken for. When they break up with a boyfriend, they have some orbiting male friend they can move on to...and make a boyfriend of him almost instantly.
 
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It's simple 'economics', of a certain kind: single women (past a certain age) are relatively rare to find compared with single men, hence the few that there are will have more choices in partners than their male counterparts, who are more numerous. You'd have to wait until they're too old to be conventionally attractive anymore for that to start evening out, and by then the women who are single are likely to have plenty of good reason to stay that way, as having ~4+ decades of being played around with by men (and losing out on their prime years for marriage/attracting more quality partners, in the process) who wanted to live the playboy lifestyle is unlikely to make them all that receptive to getting into a long term relationship with one by a certain point in life, and women cope with singleness much better than men usually do. I think this is what leads to the stereotype employed by men that all women who are single past a certain age are bitter and crazy 'cat ladies' or whatever...but anyway, that's how it seems to shake out. We men are largely replaceable in this scheme, but I don't think that's really most women's 'fault' (as I don't know any who don't want to find their Mr. Right or whatever by at least by a certain age -- same as men with regard to the 'right' woman). To hear the women I've known talk about it, it's a rather understandable outgrowth of being the obsessive focus of male attention since the age of 13 or perhaps even earlier...after a few years/decades of that, I have to imagine it becomes second nature (as well as a matter of necessity) to be very, very selective. Realistically, you can't give everyone a chance during those years when it seems like 'everyone' really does include everyone!

Hence men remain single (and tend to grow increasingly bitter ourselves as we age...*cough*), while fewer and fewer available women cross our paths. Not sure what to do about this, really. Even if I could wave some kind of magic wand and transform society into one in which things seem more equitable, it's a bit late for me personally, and at any rate I don't want to have my life revolve around what some woman I don't know would find attractive.

I'm not out here to just attract somebody/anybody because otherwise I'll be alone -- I've been alone, so I know it won't break me, just like how I've been not-alone, so I know it won't complete me. Neither of these states of being scare me (anymore...haha).

I've got a decade on the OP, so maybe this is just the sort of thing that comes with experience, but by this point in my life things generally fall into two categories: (1) things I want to do for my own sake, which may or may not line up with what anyone else cares about or would want some hypothetical partner to do (i.e., learning the specific skills and attitude that I feel I should learn to make myself a better, more well-rounded person according to my own metric, not theirs), or (2) things I should really be doing even if I don't necessarily feel great about them all the time, because I don't want to die in my 40s and/or waste my life (e.g., properly balanced diet and exercise, properly balanced spiritual and ascetical life, etc. These things don't always 'feel good', to be honest, but I know they are good for me in the long run, and I'll only be hurting myself if I neglect them while I'm still here to do something about them). (1) is just a self-centered subset of (2), and I'm hoping that as I age, if the good Lord grants me the time to do so, I'll have more and more things that I would've looked at as category (1) things as a younger man come to be fulfilled as category (2) things, as part of submitting my will to His. (Notice how a woman isn't a necessary part of this unless He decides she is.)
 
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Where I live, it's a smallish community of towns, any woman that you see here that's relatively attractive...chances are they are spoken for. When they break up with a boyfriend, they have some orbiting male friend they can move on to...and make a boyfriend of him almost instantly.

There's a lot of truth in that and @dzheremi's comment. I noticed a lot of younger men approaching me when I was entertaining suitors. They spanned the thirties gamut. I was a little surprised. @sampa mentioned the same.
 
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It's simple 'economics', of a certain kind: single women (past a certain age) are relatively rare to find compared with single men, hence the few that there are will have more choices in partners than their male counterparts, who are more numerous. You'd have to wait until they're too old to be conventionally attractive anymore for that to start evening out, and by then the women who are single are likely to have plenty of good reason to stay that way, as having ~4+ decades of being played around with by men (and losing out on their prime years for marriage/attracting more quality partners, in the process) who wanted to live the playboy lifestyle is unlikely to make them all that receptive to getting into a long term relationship with one by a certain point in life, and women cope with singleness much better than men usually do. I think this is what leads to the stereotype employed by men that all women who are single past a certain age are bitter and crazy 'cat ladies' or whatever...but anyway, that's how it seems to shake out. We men are largely replaceable in this scheme, but I don't think that's really most women's 'fault' (as I don't know any who don't want to find their Mr. Right or whatever by at least by a certain age -- same as men with regard to the 'right' woman). To hear the women I've known talk about it, it's a rather understandable outgrowth of being the obsessive focus of male attention since the age of 13 or perhaps even earlier...after a few years/decades of that, I have to imagine it becomes second nature (as well as a matter of necessity) to be very, very selective. Realistically, you can't give everyone a chance during those years when it seems like 'everyone' really does include everyone!

Hence men remain single (and tend to grow increasingly bitter ourselves as we age...*cough*), while fewer and fewer available women cross our paths. Not sure what to do about this, really. Even if I could wave some kind of magic wand and transform society into one in which things seem more equitable, it's a bit late for me personally, and at any rate I don't want to have my life revolve around what some woman I don't know would find attractive.

I'm not out here to just attract somebody/anybody because otherwise I'll be alone -- I've been alone, so I know it won't break me, just like how I've been not-alone, so I know it won't complete me. Neither of these states of being scare me (anymore...haha).

I've got a decade on the OP, so maybe this is just the sort of thing that comes with experience, but by this point in my life things generally fall into two categories: (1) things I want to do for my own sake, which may or may not line up with what anyone else cares about or would want some hypothetical partner to do (i.e., learning the specific skills and attitude that I feel I should learn to make myself a better, more well-rounded person according to my own metric, not theirs), or (2) things I should really be doing even if I don't necessarily feel great about them all the time, because I don't want to die in my 40s and/or waste my life (e.g., properly balanced diet and exercise, properly balanced spiritual and ascetical life, etc. These things don't always 'feel good', to be honest, but I know they are good for me in the long run, and I'll only be hurting myself if I neglect them while I'm still here to do something about them). (1) is just a self-centered subset of (2), and I'm hoping that as I age, if the good Lord grants me the time to do so, I'll have more and more things that I would've looked at as category (1) things as a younger man come to be fulfilled as category (2) things, as part of submitting my will to His. (Notice how a woman isn't a necessary part of this unless He decides she is.)

There's a woman I know, age 40-something. Attractive, professional. I met her at a Meetup social event (Ever hear of Meetup?) She's divorced only once. Her desire to have a man in her life since her divorce is zilch.

Anyways, I befriended her, so we had long emails back and forth about her situation. She apparently has to kind of politely fend off single men in these groups because she vows never to be in a relationship again. Doesn't want to date either. And no...no friends with benefits.

She's completely content with spending ample time with her (at the time) teen-aged daughters and trio of gal pals she travels with. Nothing more.

I have found other women of her type, the 40 plus crowd, that have extended famly members that they are content in only spending time with...nieces, nephews, etc. That's the kind of companionship THEY enjoy as a substitute for male companionship. Or time with same sex friends or gay friends.

HOwever, when some of the single women of Meetup hear this from her, they even find it hard to believe, they are like "Come on, you can never say never!" and so on. Of course, the men try to coerce her into reconsidering. lol

If 40+ women are putting themselves out there...they are typically unreasonbly picky from what I gathered. Sometimes I'll see them on dating sites through the years to the point where they've become permanent fixtures on these sites. It's as if no man is good enough...of course, them living in a smaller town doesn't help with their cause. Which leads them to staying single longer, and probably may even revert back to my friends train of thought.

I think this is where 40+ men, MAY wind up going for younger women. Esp. if these men hadn't had kids of their own. Young, fertile, etc. Not too jaded or bitter either. Some may even consider Internatinal dating.

A good friend of mine, in his mid-40s found a traditional woman from overseas. Dated her for a full year before proposing. She's around age 30, quite lovely and when I say traditional, I'm talking that they expect you to ask their parents permission to marry their daughter type of traditional. That's old-school America when we used to do that. So that gives you kind of the idea of old-fashioned type of guy he is and her of course.

Like myself, he's had dating troubles here in America and I'm sure when he reached his 40s, he was running into bitter divorcee's or just bitter women that have an axe to grind against men. So I'm thinking this was the route he figured he had to take if he wanted a positive, unjaded woman.

It would seem a never married man in his 40s, without children, would be at an equal footing or equal life stage with a woman of her age (younger) anyhow.
 
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I did something similar but I flipped it. Being alone for a long time can mess with your head if you’re not careful. Since I was restricted to Christians, I noticed some wearing. Especially if they’ve been on the hunt for awhile. They weren’t bitter. But they were disheartened and some were hardened too.

But the younger men that approached me had a different vibe. The energy was fresh and the conversations were better. And we clicked. We were in similar seasons. I was older but I had the same autonomy. No kids, parents or ex husband’s. And my work gave me freedom. I could travel on a whim or live anywhere.

I was traditional and ultra feminine too. That was the bullseye. I never worried about suitors because I knew what men wanted, what was available, and what they experienced. Because I talked to them.

If I was single now I’d do the same. When you’re reared in a marriage centric culture being alone is harder than for those who weren’t. You don’t have that stuff in your head. But for those who do it takes a toll the longer they wait.

I wanted someone who hadn’t been out there long or had too many bad experiences or disappointments. They were hopeful and expectant.
 
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@DragonFox91 -- I am looking with with interest at your thread and I'm rooting for you. I'm on page 10 so far and still reading on and jumped to the end basically to see if you found someone and judging by how the thread started, I'm not surprised (in the sense that I have the same issues). However, you have checked all of the boxes with such precision of what sounds like a textbook case. I'll continue reading from page 10 to 44. Great read.
 
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That's what they say, but doesn't seem to be that. People have such a 'it'll happen when it happens' attitude, especially in Christian communities :(

I don't see why there wouldn't be, especially for us millennials. Men and women are waiting longer than ever to settle down and get married. There are simply more single women around our age range than there ever has been before, especially when you factor in divorcees.

I do hear a lot of testimonies where it's the girl that pushes to go from just dating to wanting to go to the next step & actually being a girlfriend. Also testimonies where the girl initiates the dating process.
From what I understand, it's the guy that usually has to get the ball rolling on things by initiating initial conversations. I wish I could say I do that but I don't get to meet singles. :( Good news, after that, sounds like a lot of pressure gets taken off.

Oh yeah, there is certainly less pressure with 30 something men interacting with 30 something women compared to 20 something men interacting with 20 something women. the dating dynamics are more even. Men being on average less attracted to their dating peers are consequently cooler headed and less prone to being anxious. Instead of focusing on what they can give to women, we start wondering what these women can give to us. We're simply less afraid to walk away.

I've read that women's libidos naturally spike during their late 30s while men's libidos go down. Evolutionarily this makes sense. As a woman's attractiveness level fades, she needs more of an internal incentive to land down a guy while she is still reproductively relevant. She's literally taking on a more psychologically male mindset.

I've certainly noticed that from 40+ women. Although 30+ women in my mind tend to be more frantic, at least with me. They're less concerned with hook up culture and instead want to settle down with a man and have a family while there is still time. An older woman is more mellow and more concerned with casual relationships. Psychologically I think they know the baby-ship has sailed so they might as well just have fun now. 40+ men... while having lower libidos are still of the psychological mindset of baby mode. Although less frantic than 30+ year old women. They retain somewhat of a mindset of wanting to start a family compared to women of their own age.

The man almost always is several years to a lot older than the girl, even in Christian communities. So I don't think you wanting a young lady is bad. It seems to be kind of a natural thing (& I'm not talking from the man's perspective, but from the woman's, that they are okay w/ dating older men).

Of course, it's a natural thing... There are very strong evolutionary reasons a man is biased in favor of women who are at their fertile peak. Some men are born naturally preferring post-menopausal women but understandably such men find it more difficult to pass on their genes which enables such attractions. Studies indicate that men (regardless of if they're younger or older) find women at the age of 22 to be the most attractive; the same age range when they are at their most fertile peak.

People can find it disturbing all they want; it doesn't change reality.

I am 30. My range right now is 20 to 40.

Thank you for saying that. Putting myself out there just leads to meeting men or women out of that date range. No one ever has a single friend or daughter they want to introduce me to. :(

You have a 20-year dating range, and you still find it difficult to meet single women? How? This makes zero sense to me.
 
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@DragonFox91 -- I am looking with with interest at your thread and I'm rooting for you. I'm on page 10 so far and still reading on and jumped to the end basically to see if you found someone and judging by how the thread started, I'm not surprised (in the sense that I have the same issues). However, you have checked all of the boxes with such precision of what sounds like a textbook case. I'll continue reading from page 10 to 44. Great read.
No, it never changes; it never gets better. :disappointed:
 
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No, it never changes; it never gets better. :disappointed:

I know. I'm just seeing if there is any difference of the treatment of this matter from a Christian perspective. But you know it's a problem all across the board. I came late to this party.

The question I would really have is you've pointed out there are not many women coming out to church or small groups. Do you think dating apps and modern tech has something to do with your situation by taking otherwise single and available women off your dating pool? It's super-easy for women to meet guys off dating apps/online, but for guys like us, it is very difficult and when you go to places where men drastically outnumber women you don't meet anyone.
 
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I know. I'm just seeing if there is any difference of the treatment of this matter from a Christian perspective. But you know it's a problem all across the board. I came late to this party.

The question I would really have is you've pointed out there are not many women coming out to church or small groups. Do you think dating apps and modern tech has something to do with your situation by taking otherwise single and available women off your dating pool? It's super-easy for women to meet guys off dating apps/online, but for guys like us, it is very difficult and when you go to places where men drastically outnumber women you don't meet anyone.
There’s lots of reasons. Dating apps are just a small part.
1.) Dating apps
2.) Using already established networks & not seeing why they need to branch out
3.) Too many “creeps”
4.) An apathy towards dating & marriage in general
5.) Feminist movement
6.) In regards to church groups specifically: a dislike for organized religion
7.) Just overwhelmed w/ other things in life.
I could go on.

But yes, 'branch out' or 'expand your network' unfortunately seems to be outdated advice. :(
 
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I know. I'm just seeing if there is any difference of the treatment of this matter from a Christian perspective. But you know it's a problem all across the board. I came late to this party.

The question I would really have is you've pointed out there are not many women coming out to church or small groups. Do you think dating apps and modern tech has something to do with your situation by taking otherwise single and available women off your dating pool? It's super-easy for women to meet guys off dating apps/online, but for guys like us, it is very difficult and when you go to places where men drastically outnumber women you don't meet anyone.
From what I see, Christian women practice dating with unbelievers frequently than Christian men. This may produce the effect that while Christian men are looking for single girls/women in churches, those are not available, dating for example their colleagues from work.
 
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I guess what makes it so discouraging is I don't believe God owes me a marriage or date, like it's promised to me. So I feel it's not going to happen & that makes me sad.

From what I see, Christian women practice dating with unbelievers frequently than Christian men. This may produce the effect that while Christian men are looking for single girls/women in churches, those are not available, dating for example their colleagues from work.
sad :cry:
 
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The question I would really have is you've pointed out there are not many women coming out to church or small groups.

Women attend church in greater numbers than men. Especially when they’re younger. Socialization usually happens in classes and small groups. There’s not a lot of opportunity during the service. If they don’t participate in activities for singles (if they’re available) or events for both there’s less options for engagement.

A lot of people go to church and leave afterward or they’re involved in activities and ministries beyond its walls. They may go to a small group elsewhere that suits their needs. Or serve in a capacity that isn’t offered in their church.

For example, the college and twenties group at my former church met in the evening during the week. But the others met on Sunday. Our women’s study met in the morning during the week. There was another on a different day in the evening and one after service. You’ve gotta have the numbers to accommodate the realities of different schedules.

Do you think dating apps and modern tech has something to do with your situation by taking otherwise single and available women off your dating pool?

Dating apps and sites didn’t remove anyone from church. They started using them because the pool is larger. You’re no longer limited to the people in your environment. You can meet others in your vicinity or elsewhere willing to move.

Most people in the demographic under discussion are looking online. That’s their primary source for connections. The rest are maybes. There’s no guarantee they’ll meet someone they’re interested in.

If there was no Internet most of you would be married or en route. Because there’s less to choose from. You don’t know what you’re missing and take what’s available. But the net feeds the grass is greener syndrome. There’s always something better and that’s what many are chasing. Their ideal.
 
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