Can you really live by Sola Scriptura?

[boughtwithaprice]

I was wondering since there are so many denominations claiming Sola Scriptura, what does that actually mean, and how is it different from the scenario presented in this video?

Are you governed by sola scriptura or is sola scriptura governed by you or those in authority over you?

This video really made me think. Anyone else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/tUZKrrz3vCk?feature=share

 

[com7fy8]

It seems his issue is not only with ones saying the Bible is God's word and infallible. What he does not agree with is if a fundamentalist also claims that the fundamentalist's understanding is above question.

But I do not think all fundamentalists do this.

Certain ones can be in your face in a way that can make it look like all members of a group are like that in-your-face person

 

[chevyontheriver]

It seems his issue is not only with ones saying the Bible is God's word and infallible. What he does not agree with is if a fundamentalist also claims that the fundamentalist's understanding is above question.

But I do not think all fundamentalists do this.

Certain ones can be in your face in a way that can make it look like all members of a group are like that in-your-face person

I'm Catholic. I'm not a fan of Sola Scriptura. Not at all. But I would say without qualification that the Bible is God's word. I would say the Bible is inerrant rather infallible, but that's only because errancy and inerrancy apply to a document while fallibility and infallibility apply to persons. That's a minor quibble. I would agree with your intent about the lack of error in the Bible. Just using the word 'inerrant' rather than 'infallible' because precision matters.

The thing I have against Sola Sciptura is that EVERYBODY follows tradition, even those who are most vociferous in stating that they have absolutely no tradition. So if EVERYBODY follows traditions, the game is to recognize the traditions and to evaluate them as either informers to truth or deformers of truth.

 

[BobRyan]

I was wondering since there are so many denominations claiming Sola Scriptura, what does that actually mean, and how is it different from the scenario presented in this video?

Are you governed by sola scriptura or is sola scriptura governed by you or those in authority over you?

This video really made me think. Anyone else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/tUZKrrz3vCk?feature=share

sola scriptura - means "testing" all doctrine and practice by the Word of God - scripture. As in Acts 17:11

In that case even NON-Christian demonstrate how it is done. "They studies the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things (spoken by "the Apostle Paul") were SO" Acts 17:11

Is 8:20 "to the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to this WORD there is no light in them"

Gal 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, 7 which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Mark 7:6-13 Christ slam hammers faulty tradition "sola scriptura"
6 But He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ 12 you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[BobRyan]

I would say without qualification that the Bible is God's word. I would say the Bible is inerrant rather infallible, but that's only because errancy and inerrancy apply to a document while fallibility and infallibility apply to persons. That's a minor quibble

Amen to that.

I would add - every group has their own magesterium, their own traditions - and they differ with other groups in at last one area, and often in more areas than 1..

 

[chevyontheriver]

sola scriptura - means "testing" all doctrine and practice by the Word of God - scripture. As in Acts 17:11

If that's all it means then I'd have no problem at all with it. But then again all the people who insist that they follow Sola Scriptura would all end up agreeing on everything. And that's not happening. It's more like Sola Scriptura is a cudgel one group uses to bash another group with. And the other group uses Sola Scriptura right back as a cudgel to bash the first guys. Which makes me think that Sola Scriptura, as most would define it, is a quite broken method.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Amen to that.

I would add - every group has their own magesterium, their own traditions - and they differ with other groups in at last one area, and often in more areas than 1..

Especially those who most deny they have a magisterium, they have one too. So the question ends up 'which magisterium?'

 

[fhansen]

I was wondering since there are so many denominations claiming Sola Scriptura, what does that actually mean, and how is it different from the scenario presented in this video?

Are you governed by sola scriptura or is sola scriptura governed by you or those in authority over you?

This video really made me think. Anyone else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/tUZKrrz3vCk?feature=share

The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is garbage theology, foisted upon the world by the Reformers who needed an authority besides the Church by which to determine Christian truth. But it doesn’t work, at least to any sufficient degree.

The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is the word of God, inerrant regarding that which He wants us to know pertaining to our salvation. But once authority to interpret revelation is taken out of the hands of that Church which Christ established and gave that same revelation to in the beginning, then in actuality every reader becomes their own private authority. And this results in the disagreement and confusion and conflict between those who adhere to Sola Scriptura that we witness by the formation of different denominations as well as, for example, the sharp disagreements we continuously observe on these very forums, generally with conflicting, while each yet plausible, differing interpretations.

 

[Soyeong]

I was wondering since there are so many denominations claiming Sola Scriptura, what does that actually mean, and how is it different from the scenario presented in this video?

Are you governed by sola scriptura or is sola scriptura governed by you or those in authority over you?

This video really made me think. Anyone else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/tUZKrrz3vCk?feature=share

In Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything that Paul said against OT Scripture to see if what he said was true, and sola scriptura is essentially saying that we should follow that precedent whenever someone tries to teach us something, which is something that anyone can live by.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Can you really live by Sola Scriptura?

Great question, let's ask God?

Question...

Dear God can we really live by Sola Scriptura?

Answer...

• 2 Timothy 3:15 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

• Matthew 4:4 4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

• Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

....................

Question...

How do I get faith as mine is pretty low?

Answer...

• Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

• John 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

....................

Question...

So we get our faith through believing your Word Lord so I guess faith in your Words are very important?

Answer...

• Ephesians 2:8-9 [8], For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9], Not of works, lest any man should boast.

• John 17:17 Sanctify them through the truth, your word is truth

• 1 John 5:4 And this is the victory that overcomes the world even our faith

....................

Question...

Thank you Lord Jesus so we are saved by your grace through faith in your Word and we get our faith by believing your Word, and continuing to believe and follow what your Word says. Then I guess our salvation is only as we believe and follow what your words says (faith)?

Answer...

• Romans 14:23 ...whatsoever is not of faith is sin

• Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

....................

Summary

The only way as can have our salvation is through faith in Gods' Word by either hearing it or reading it for ourselves as we believe and follow what Gods Word says. Therefore the only way to live is through faith in Gods' Word (scripture alone) because scripture alone (Sola scriptura) is where we get saving faith from. So the answer to the main question is that "the only way we can receive God's grace and salvation is through scripture alone because that is what we are to have faith in (Sola Scriptura).

I was wondering since there are so many denominations claiming Sola Scriptura, what does that actually mean, and how is it different from the scenario presented in this video? Are you governed by sola scriptura or is sola scriptura governed by you or those in authority over you? Anyone else?

Any teaching that leads us away from God and His Word run far away from as it is Gods' Word that leads us to have saving faith. We are saved by Gods' grace through faith in His Words and this faith comes by hearing and believing God's Word. However, we cannot know God's Word or the truth of Gods' Word unless God is our guide and teacher of His Word. So we need to prayerfully ask God and turn away from seeking to know Gods' Word through the teachings of others. That does not mean that God cannot use others to teach us His Word but that we need to seek God for His Spirit to know and recognize His Words and pray that God will be our guide and teacher through His Spirit (e.g. see John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11 etc).

The reason why there was a reformation in the 16th Century was because the Church was departing the faith (the Word of God) and substituting the faith (the Word of God) with the teachings and traditions of men leading people away from Gods' Word and saving faith that all receive through the Word of God.

The reason why there is so many forms of Christianity is in fulfillment of the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24:24 which is one of the signs of the last days and many turn away from seeking to know the truth of God's Word from God Himself and seek it through man instead of God himself.

Take Care.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

The reason why there is so many forms of Christianity is in fulfillment of the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24:24 which is one of the signs of the last days and many turn away from seeking to know the truth of God's Word from God Himself and seek it through man instead of God himself.

Take Care.

Your final statement is the reason for my question. I agree that many have departed from the faith and followed a man instead.
The real question is how do you know you are doing that? Is there a role for ecclesial authority in the Church? Are we to lean to our own understanding in all things, or do we subject our conscience to those more learned than ourselves?
The Bereans searched the scriptures not for proof texts, but to see if all of Paul’s preaching was consistent with the word of God.
God is not a man that He should lie, and it would only lead to confusion if He would come to Earth and violate His own law. Would that be a fair statement? The word of God says that if you violate the law in one point, you are guilty of violating the whole law, because you are no longer a follower of the law but are sitting in judgement of it.
Does your interpretation show that God follows His own law, or is He subject to making His law of no effect?
When Jesus came to Earth, He came in all humility. We know that Satan’s primary sin is pride, which is the real root of all evil, and God, being good would not act with pride
Jesus was the author of the law and not a subject of it, but He allowed Himself to be circumcised according to the law. He had no stain of sin in Him, yet He allowed sacrifice to be made for Him when He was dedicated in the Temple. He never deviated from the way of truth, as He is the way and the truth, He has no need of repentance yet He allowed Himself to be baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness.
Do you agree that God is very careful to follow His own word, and it would be unseemly to have Him viewed as violating it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your final statement is the reason for my question. I agree that many have departed from the faith and followed a man instead.
The real question is how do you know you are doing that? Is there a role for ecclesial authority in the Church? Are we to lean to our own understanding in all things, or do we subject our conscience to those more learned than ourselves?
The Bereans searched the scriptures not for proof texts, but to see if all of Paul’s preaching was consistent with the word of God.
God is not a man that He should lie, and it would only lead to confusion if He would come to Earth and violate His own law. Would that be a fair statement? The word of God says that if you violate the law in one point, you are guilty of violating the whole law, because you are no longer a follower of the law but are sitting in judgement of it.
Does your interpretation show that God follows His own law, or is He subject to making His law of no effect?
When Jesus came to Earth, He came in all humility. We know that Satan’s primary sin is pride, which is the real root of all evil, and God, being good would not act with pride
Jesus was the author of the law and not a subject of it, but He allowed Himself to be circumcised according to the law. He had no stain of sin in Him, yet He allowed sacrifice to be made for Him when He was dedicated in the Temple. He never deviated from the way of truth, as He is the way and the truth, He has no need of repentance yet He allowed Himself to be baptized by John to fulfill all righteousness.
Do you agree that God is very careful to follow His own word, and it would be unseemly to have Him viewed as violating it?

Nice to meet you boughtwithaprice. For me personally, I do not point anyone to myself but only to the scriptures and God's Word as it is God alone who can answer all of our questions which are Gods' Words not mine. Unless God is our guide and teacher personally we can never know the truth of God's Word as it is the truth of God's Word that is revealed to all those who seek God with all their heart as they ask God to be their guide and teacher. These promises are for all those who seek to know God and ask him through faith and believe and are promises to all those who have been born again into Gods' new covenant promises through faith in what Gods' Word says (e.g. see John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11 etc). This is why we can only truly know God by prayerfully seeking Him through His Word. Gods Word therefore must increase and we must decrease because genuine faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If we have no Word we have no faith and whatsoever is not of faith that we receive through Gods' Word is sin and without faith that comes from Gods' Word it is impossible to please God. Faith is the answer here that we receive from Gods' Word. Faith in God's promises that God will guide us through His Spirit as we believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God however knows the heart and who is genuinely following and believing His Word and who is not while also knowing who are His sheep and who are not. God also knows the wolves and who are His sheep.

God bless

 

[disciple Clint]

I'm Catholic. I'm not a fan of Sola Scriptura. Not at all. But I would say without qualification that the Bible is God's word. I would say the Bible is inerrant rather infallible, but that's only because errancy and inerrancy apply to a document while fallibility and infallibility apply to persons. That's a minor quibble. I would agree with your intent about the lack of error in the Bible. Just using the word 'inerrant' rather than 'infallible' because precision matters.

The thing I have against Sola Sciptura is that EVERYBODY follows tradition, even those who are most vociferous in stating that they have absolutely no tradition. So if EVERYBODY follows traditions, the game is to recognize the traditions and to evaluate them as either informers to truth or deformers of truth.

Sola Sciptura is self refuting. Where in the bible does the bible say to rely on scripture exclusively and nothing else?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SAVING FAITH THAT COMES FROM GOD'S WORD

Carefully think this through...

Now if faith comes by the Word of God and without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *HEBREWS 11:6; ROMANS 14:23; how can any one of us have salvation if we have no faith when faith only comes by hearing and reading the Word of God? If we have no word we have no faith and we are still in our sins and do not have salvation which according to the scriptures only comes by faith through hearing or reading God's Word (sola scriptura) see also JOHN 3:15-21; JOHN 10:26-27; MATTHEW 7:22-26? Do you believe it is only by faith in God's Word that we have God's Grace trough faith *EPHESIANS 2:8-9? According to the scriptures, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17 and without faith it is impossible to please God *HEBREWS 11:6 because whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. Now if we only have salvation by faith in God's Word how can we have salvation without it? - We cannot. The only reason why "Sola scriptura" was brought up in the 1500-1600's was because they Church had departed the faith (the Word of God) and those who were in it were trying to bring the church's attention back to the fact that they had departed the faith (Gods' Word). A teaching that the true church of God has always had from the very beginning of time *HEBREWS 11. What these scriptures are telling me is that if we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and therefore our salvation as we are saved by Gods' grace "through faith" *EPHESIANS 2:8-9 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. Therefore we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and Gods' salvation according to the scriptures.

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

 

[ozso]

The idea of Sola Scriptura to me is eliminating certain extrabiblical claims of what Christianity entails. I find it interesting that Christians who are against sola scriptura, will say a particular view, doctrine or theology is incorrect, because it's not scriptual.

So it's basically a "you can't have your cake and eat it too" situation. Sola Scriptura is a no-no when it comes to Catholic traditions. But when it comes to views they are against, then it's all about a sola scriptura. A "it's not biblical, that's not what the Bible says" argument.

 

[disciple Clint]

SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SAVING FAITH THAT COMES FROM GOD'S WORD

Carefully think this through...

Now if faith comes by the Word of God and without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *HEBREWS 11:6; ROMANS 14:23; how can any one of us have salvation if we have no faith when faith only comes by hearing and reading the Word of God? If we have no word we have no faith and we are still in our sins and do not have salvation which according to the scriptures only comes by faith through hearing or reading God's Word (sola scriptura) see also JOHN 3:15-21; JOHN 10:26-27; MATTHEW 7:22-26? Do you believe it is only by faith in God's Word that we have God's Grace trough faith *EPHESIANS 2:8-9? According to the scriptures, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17 and without faith it is impossible to please God *HEBREWS 11:6 because whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. Now if we only have salvation by faith in God's Word how can we have salvation without it? - We cannot. The only reason why "Sola scriptura" was brought up in the 1500-1600's was because they Church had departed the faith (the Word of God) and those who were in it were trying to bring the church's attention back to the fact that they had departed the faith (Gods' Word). A teaching that the true church of God has always had from the very beginning of time *HEBREWS 11. What these scriptures are telling me is that if we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and therefore our salvation as we are saved by Gods' grace "through faith" *EPHESIANS 2:8-9 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. Therefore we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and Gods' salvation according to the scriptures.

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

OK so what of the person who attends a revival, understands who Jesus, what Jesus did, and believes in his heart that Jesus is his savior. If that person then accepts Jesus as his savior based on the faith of what he now understands and just learned, is he not just as saved as the person who can recite the bible verse by verse? And in fact if he never reads a word of scripture or hears the word again but maintains his faith in Jesus, is he not just as saved as anyone?
I think you have just introduced works into salvation, salvation is not based on how much of God's word you have read or know, it is based on your faith in Jesus. If we look back in Church history there were many people who were saved but knew very little scripture. "What must I do to be saved "“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31

 

[ozso]

Sola Scriptura can take on at least two forms.

One is, the Bible must be interpreted entirely literally verbatim to what's written.

The other is, that there's little to no support for a view, doctrine or theology to be exegetically found in scripture.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SAVING FAITH THAT COMES FROM GOD'S WORD

Carefully think this through...

Now if faith comes by the Word of God and without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *HEBREWS 11:6; ROMANS 14:23; how can any one of us have salvation if we have no faith when faith only comes by hearing and reading the Word of God? If we have no word we have no faith and we are still in our sins and do not have salvation which according to the scriptures only comes by faith through hearing or reading God's Word (sola scriptura) see also JOHN 3:15-21; JOHN 10:26-27; MATTHEW 7:22-26? Do you believe it is only by faith in God's Word that we have God's Grace trough faith *EPHESIANS 2:8-9? According to the scriptures, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17 and without faith it is impossible to please God *HEBREWS 11:6 because whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. Now if we only have salvation by faith in God's Word how can we have salvation without it? - We cannot. The only reason why "Sola scriptura" was brought up in the 1500-1600's was because they Church had departed the faith (the Word of God) and those who were in it were trying to bring the church's attention back to the fact that they had departed the faith (Gods' Word). A teaching that the true church of God has always had from the very beginning of time *HEBREWS 11. What these scriptures are telling me is that if we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and therefore our salvation as we are saved by Gods' grace "through faith" *EPHESIANS 2:8-9 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. Therefore we neglect Gods' Word we neglect our faith and Gods' salvation according to the scriptures.

Your response here...

OK so what of the person who attends a revival, understands who Jesus, what Jesus did, and believes in his heart that Jesus is his savior. If that person then accepts Jesus as his savior based on the faith of what he now understands and just learned, is he not just as saved as the person who can recite the bible verse by verse? And in fact if he never reads a word of scripture or hears the word again but maintains his faith in Jesus, is he not just as saved as anyone? I think you have just introduced works into salvation, salvation is not based on how much of God's word you have read or know, it is based on your faith in Jesus. If we look back in Church history there were many people who were saved but knew very little scripture. "What must I do to be saved "“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31

Please consider reading and answering the questions asked from the scriptures in the post you are quoting from that are based on scripture. You do not have to answer those questions here if you do not want to but at least consider what is written in the post you are quoting from as it is Gods' Word so should be worth considering. We can only have saving faith through hearing or reading Gods' Word according to the scriptures. *Romans 10:17. Whatsoever is not of faith that we receive from Gods' Word is sin and without faith we cannot please God *Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6. Saving faith comes from Gods' Word alone therefore we are saved by Gods' Word alone as we believe and follow what it says (Sola Scriptura).

Take Care

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sola Sciptura is self refuting. Where in the bible does the bible say to rely on scripture exclusively and nothing else?

According to the scriptures Sola Sciptura is self explaining. No Word, no faith, no salvation (see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17; Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6 which is why it is written man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4 and again, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:15. Gods' Word therefore is the standard of both faith and righteousness and is the only rule to what faith is and the standard test to know if we are in the faith or not in the faith.

Take Care.

 

[chevyontheriver]

According to the scriptures Sola Sciptura is self explaining.

Wait. Self explaining? That would mean that Sola Scriptura is itself clearly stated in Scripture. Which would mean that there wouldn't be a dozen or more conflicting views of what Sola Scriptura is. So there would be no argument about it. But I see that overnight there have been several positions staked out on the matter. Are you going to have an arguement, all of you Sola Scriptura followers, on what Sola Scriptura means, or are you going to come up with an acceptable definition you all want to live with?

Sola Scriptura is an invention of the 16th century for Martin Luther to lay claim to an authority independent of his bishop and opposed to his bishop and of the pope. And then when the peasants discovered that they could lay claim to an authority independent of Luther the exact same way, he didn't like it one bit. Sola Scriptura for him, but not for them. They were supposed to listen to him like he would not listen to his bishop or the pope.