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Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

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In Biblical discussions, it is always important to avoid slipping into an overly simplistic "I will prove my point with single verses" strategy.
Isn't this exactly what you have unsuccessfully been trying to do here?
In this thread, for example, we see Romans 3:20 quoted with no context and used to argue that if we did not have the 10, how could we know what sin is? Well, ripped out of broader context, that seems compelling. But as has been shown, when the context of the whole chapter is accounted for, we see that Paul is talking about what was the case in the past. And there's more. Our ears need to be attuned to "big themes" that are there in the Bible even if one cannot find "a verse" to articulate that theme. One of these themes is that all of Scripture is an evolving redemption narrative, not a set of timeless truths. Defenders of the 10 here systematically refuse to acknowledge this fact that is rather obvious to the Biblically literate.
Romans 3:20 has been quoted more than once providing context from Romans 3:9-31 showing that all of us have sinned and that it is through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is agreeing with what Paul also ways in Romans 7:7 when he says the same thing and quotes one of God's 10 commandments. This also agreeing with what James says when he quotes Gods' 10 commandments stating that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandment we transgress the law of God in James 2:10-11 which agrees with what John says in 1 John 3-4 where John defines sin as the transgression of the law agreeing with both James and Paul as quoted earlier. Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). This is a false teaching that is not biblical or supported in the scripture.
Another is the theme of new creation in the New Testament - God is "redoing Genesis 1" through Jesus. And this means that the markers of the "first" round of creative activity, such as the Sabbath, are now obsolete.
Then we have the very words of Jesus who says "think not" that is do not let it even come into your mind "that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets I am not come to destroy but to fulfill (do and accomplish, or execute). Till heaven and earth pass away there will be not one jot or tittle pass from the law until all be fulfilled" - Matthew 5:17-19 and again in John where he shows how we know if we really know God or do not know God where he says; "hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." - 1 John 3:4.

Take Care dear friend.
 
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Again, how does any of this make the case that God cannot retire the Sabbath? Of what relevance is the fact that the Sabbath was instituted before man sinned? Why, and please be precise, does this particular feature of the Sabbath preclude its later retirement?

I do not even know what a "shadow law" is, and have never appealed to such a thing in any of my arguments.

Again, very simple question: how does any of all this support the notion that God cannot elect to retire the Sabbath?
There is no again the post you are quoting from in post # 275 linked and elsewhere, is directly addressing your earlier argument and claims that God's 4th commandment is a "shadow law" pointing to things to come in Christ. This teaching is not biblical or supported in the scriptures. As shown in the scriptures already the Sabbath points backwards not forward to thing to come as a memorial (Remember - Exodus 20:8) and is one of Gods' eternal laws that give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to the scriptures, if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Gods' Sabbath as one of Gods' eternal laws will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and new earth by God's people who are all those who choose to believe and follow what Gods' Word says according to the scriptures (see Isaiah 66:22-23; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14). Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). According to the scripture God does not change *Matthew 24:35; Isaiah 40:8; Psalm 33:11; Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 13:8; Malachi 3:6.
 
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Might I remind you once again that God didn't give "us" the ten commandments He gave them to Israel.
Bob let me help you with that. According to the scriptures, Gods' Israel is simply a name given by God to all those who believe and follow Gods Word that is both outside the old and the new covenants. It is simply a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures in the new covenant Gods' Israel are no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9 into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-24 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 by believing and following what Gods' Word says *John 10:26-27; Matthew 7:21-23. There is no more Jewish or gentile believers as we are all now one in Christ. God never made the new covenant with gentiles and according to the scriptures if you are not a part of Gods' Israel then you have no part in Gods new covenant promise that was made to Israel *see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29 and Romans 11:13-26. So yes Bob, according to the scriptures if you are truly a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you will believe and follow what Gods Word says not disobey what Gods' Word says. Disobedience to God's Word is the same us unbelief and according to Hebrews 3:9-19 and Hebrews 4:1-11 no one enters into Gods rest in sin and unbelief.

Take Care.
 
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ROMANS 3:20 WITH PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS

Romans 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Parallel translations....
All these translations are irrelevant, as my argument does not deny what the text says, but whether what it says describes the world this side of the cross.

Now if someone says to you the purpose of God's law in the new covenant is to give us a knowledge of what sin is .....?
I would tell them to look at Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 in context. I have seen no argument from anyone here that effectively counters my argument that both these texts describe the world the way it was, not the way it is now.

As for James, yes, I think he probably believes the Law is still in force. But I think that Jesus and Paul believe otherwise and I will take them over James.

As for 1 John 3:4, I will not tire of pointing out the punishingly obvious - one can be lawless even if the 10 are retired. It is lawless to speed in your car - is that in the 10? Not to mention that when I ignore Jesus's commandment to love, I am being lawless.

You guys need desperately for it to the be case that the only way sin can be reckoned is in relation to the 10 commandments. But the evidence is strongly against this.

For example, for your position to be correct, it would need to be the case that the Holy Spirit is entirely impotent in terms of informing the Christian about what sin is.

Is that a position you really want to defend?
 
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All these translations are irrelevant, as my argument does not deny what the text says, but whether what it says describes the world this side of the cross.

I would tell them to look at Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 in context. I have seen no argument from anyone here that effectively counters my argument that both these texts describe the world the way it was, not the way it is now.

As for James, yes, I think he probably believes the Law is still in force. But I think that Jesus and Paul believe otherwise and I will take them over James.

As for 1 John 3:4, I will not tire of pointing out the punishingly obvious - one can be lawless even if the 10 are retired. It is lawless to speed in your car - is that in the 10? Not to mention that when I ignore Jesus's commandment to love, I am being lawless.

You guys need desperately for it to the be case that the only way sin can be reckoned is in relation to the 10 commandments. But the evidence is strongly against this.

For example, for your position to be correct, it would need to be the case that the Holy Spirit is entirely impotent in terms of informing the Christian about what sin is.

Is that a position you really want to defend?

Not at all. All these translations are very relevant because your trying to argue that Gods' law does not give us a knowledge of what sin is when the scripture says God's law gives us a knowledge of what sin is. The rest of the post you are micro-quoting from also shows all the context your disregarding that does not agree with your posts of claims that Gods' 10 commandments have been abolished which is in disagreement with what Paul says in Romans 3:31 that faith does not abolish God's law it establishes God's law. Now if someone says to you the purpose of God's law in the new covenant is to give us a knowledge of what sin is and they quote Romans 3:20 with other supporting scripture from Paul like Romans 7:7 stating the same thing why are you trying to argue with the scriptures that state that that the purpose of Gods' law is to give a a knowledge of what sin is when broken (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4)?

Once again adding the context back that your leaving out and disregarding here we come to a very different meaning of the scriptures that you are promoting here. As shown in the scriptures and the context of Romans 3:20 from the post you are micro-quoting from, Gods' law has the the same role as it always has and that is to give us a knowledge of what sin is. In answer to your other question the "But now" from *Romans 3:21 is not in disagreement to Romans 3:20 that states through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is. Romans 3:21 is continuing on the same thought in context to Romans 3:9-20 and that is all of us have sinned according to the law so what do we do? He says "But now" all you sinners condemned by the law, the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets. That is where the law leads us. According to the scriptures, God's law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven or justified through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 because we have all sinned and broken the law (see context of Romans 3:9-19). All the law and the prophets pointed to Christ and this is where the law leads us.

God's law shows us that we are all sinners and have sinned against God and none of us are righteous no not one (Romans 3:9-11). This is all the context prior to Romans 3:20 shown by Paul in Romans 3:9-19. Paul continues to disagree with you in the scripture context right through to Romans 3:31 where he says that faith does not abolish God's law like you are teachings. Genuine faith establishes or obeys God's law. Paul is in disagreement with you here as shown in the scripture context your disregarding in your posts once more. "Do we then abolish the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law." - Romans 3:31

As shown through the scriptures above your disregarding the scripture context of Romans 3:20 and also Romans 7:7 that specifically states that it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is. None of the scripture contexts are in disagreement with what God's Word says. Your trying to make arguments that scripture disagrees with itself because it does not agree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law). This is only written and posted in love and as a help to you. May you receive Gods Word and be corrected and receive God's blessings.

Take Care now.
 
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guevaraj, my man, let's see if I'm following you here: So... Jesus went up to Jerusalem for the Festival of Shelters. Are you saying we should do that, too?
Brother, yes! We must keep the feasts that Jesus kept free from human tradition in the time zone of creation. All Sabbaths are in the time zone of creation: the High Sabbath of the feasts as well as the weekly Sabbath. Jesus has corrected the human tradition of incorrectly assuming the Sabbath to be a day of the week outside of the creation time zone in Hebrews 3 and 4 since Joshua.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

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United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, yes! We must keep the feasts that Jesus kept free from human tradition in the time zone of creation. All Sabbaths are in the time zone of creation: the High Sabbath of the feasts as well as the weekly Sabbath. Jesus has corrected the human tradition of incorrectly assuming the Sabbath to be a day of the week outside of the creation time zone in Hebrews 3 and 4 since Joshua.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

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United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Hi Jorge,

This thread is about which laws ended at the cross, not on how we are to keep the Sabbath. Please do not use this thread to promote your idea that the Sabbath is different than the biblical Sabbath, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Please don’t respond further in this thread about this topic, but you are free to discuss the topic of the thread.

Thanks and God bless
 
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Fulfilled in Matthew 5 does not mean destroy so Jesus is not contradicting Himself. ...
Jesus is expanding on the laws, not changing or doing away with.
This is not evidence for your position, it is merely re-stating your position.

Again, you simply ignore the argument I have provided about Jesus not intending to be taken literally.
 
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Brother, yes! We must keep the feasts that Jesus kept free from human tradition in the time zone of creation. All Sabbaths are in the time zone of creation: the High Sabbath of the feasts as well as the weekly Sabbath. Jesus has corrected the human tradition of incorrectly assuming the Sabbath to be a day of the week outside of the creation time zone in Hebrews 3 and 4 since Joshua.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening to evening than the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, defined in Genesis and confirmed below.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

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United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Okay... Do you travel to Jerusalem to celebrate the festival of shelters as Jesus did? Do you believe that is a law that didn't end at the cross?

Exodus 34
Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders; neither shall any man desire your land when you go up to appear before the Lord, your God, three times in the year.
 
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Let's be honest. There is no scripture that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished as we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest now is there.
Yes, there most certainly is scriptural evidence that the Sabbath is behind us. First, there is Romans 7:6 which you rewrite to force it to say something it does not. Here is the text as penned by Paul:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

You want to talk about honesty? How about starting with not taking your editorial pen to this clear statement from Paul.

And there is also this from 2 Cor 3:

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

You guys are effectively saying "let's go with the ministry that brought death". No thank you.

But there is something else about your post that I wish to address. You assert there "is no scripture doing away with the Sabbath". In expressing things this way, you are repeating a pattern that is often used in debates in this forum: you imply, I suggest, that the only way to settle such matters is to "look for verses".

Well, that is an oversimplification - scripture is far more sophisticated than that and important truths can be gleaned from a "big picture" analysis that is not focused on simply finding proof texts.

And this Sabbath thing is a classic example of: Jesus rises on the 1st day of a new week! This means new creation, a second version, if you will, of the Genesis creation account.


To continue honouring the Saturday Sabbath is to effectively say that you are stuck in the past, that God has not rolled up His sleeves and initiated a 2nd Genesis.
 
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Your post is not truthful. Everyone of your claims and arguments have been addressed section by section and scripture by scripture adding back the context of scripture that shows your claims are not truthful and not biblical.
Ok then, where have you, or anyone supporting your view actually addressed the argument provided in post 141 about how Jesus's "end of the the world" language in Matthew 5 not being intended to be taken literally?

And by "addressed my argument", I mean where have you (or others) really addressed it, not drowned us in other texts and meandering arguments peppered with sermonizing.
 
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Ok then, where have you, or anyone supporting your view actually addressed the argument provided in post 141 about how Jesus's "end of the the world" language in Matthew 5 not being intended to be taken literally?

Your post in in post # 141 linked (provided for convenience) was not addressed to me and reading it now it does not make any sense to me which is probably the reason why it was not responded to. Maybe you can explain a little better why you think what you posted there is relevant to our discussion?
 
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Yes, there most certainly is scriptural evidence that the Sabbath is behind us. First, there is Romans 7:6 which you rewrite to force it to say something it does not. Here is the text as penned by Paul:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

You want to talk about honesty? How about starting with not taking your editorial pen to this clear statement from Paul.

And there is also this from 2 Cor 3:

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

You guys are effectively saying "let's go with the ministry that brought death". No thank you.

But there is something else about your post that I wish to address. You assert there "is no scripture doing away with the Sabbath". In expressing things this way, you are repeating a pattern that is often used in debates in this forum: you imply, I suggest, that the only way to settle such matters is to "look for verses".

Well, that is an oversimplification - scripture is far more sophisticated than that and important truths can be gleaned from a "big picture" analysis that is not focused on simply finding proof texts.

And this Sabbath thing is a classic example of: Jesus rises on the 1st day of a new week! This means new creation, a second version, if you will, of the Genesis creation account.

To continue honouring the Saturday Sabbath is to effectively say that you are stuck in the past, that God has not rolled up His sleeves and initiated a 2nd Genesis.

Here let me help you with this one again and add the scripture context back into the discussion again that your disregarding to show that your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 3:7 taken out of it's context is not biblical and a false teaching it it might be helpful to the discussion here.

According to the scriptures here in 2 Corinthians 3 is not Gods 10 commandments that have become obsolete it is the ministration of condemnation and death that is obsolete through the ministration of the Spirit that brings life and peace through Gods’ forgiveness and faith in Christ.

Lets look at the scriptures and add the context back in your disregarding.

2 Corinthians 3:3-18
[3], For as much as YOU ARE MANIFESTLY DECLARED TO BE THE LETTER OF CHRIST MINISTERED BY US, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART.
[4], And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[5], Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[6], WHO ALSO HAS MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLS, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE.
[7], BUT IF THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES, WAS GLORIOUS, SO THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COULD NOT STEADFASTLY BEHOLD THE FACE OF MOSES FOR THE GLORY OF HIS COUNTENANCE; WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:
[8], HOW SHALL NOT THE MINISTRATION OF THE SPIRIT BE RATHER GLORIOUS?
[9], FOR IF THE MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION be glory, much more does the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[10], For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels.
[11], FOR IF THAT WHICH IS DONE AWAY WAS GLORIOUS, MUCH MORE THAT WHICH REMAINS IS GLORIOUS.
[12], Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[13], AND NOT AS MOSES, WHICH PUT A VEIL OVER HIS FACE, THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COULD NOT STEADFASTLY LOOK TO THE END OF THAT WHICH IS ABOLISHED:
[14], BUT THEIR MINDS WERE BLINDED: FOR UNTIL THIS DAY REMAINS THE SAME VEIL NOT TAKEN AWAY IN THE READING OF THE OLD TESTAMENT; WHICH VEIL IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST.
[15], But even to this day, when Moses is read, the veil is on their heart.
[16], NEVERTHELESS WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, THE VEIL SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY.
[17], Now THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT: AND WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, THERE IS LIBERTY.
[18], But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD.​

Taken from the scriptures above...
  • God's new covenant promise of God's Spirit and His law written on the heart - 2 Corinthians 3:3; see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27.
  • Ministers of the new covenant (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27) not of the letter but of the Spirit written in the heart *2 Corinthians 3:6.
  • The ministration of death is done away (not God's 10 commandments) by the ministration of the Spirit - 2 Corinthians 3:7-8
  • The ministration of condemnation is now exceeded by the ministration of righteousness (right doing Gods law written in the heart to love) - 2 Corinthians 3:9.
  • The ministration of condemnation and death is done away through the ministration of the Spirit and God's forgiveness of sins through Christ which is that Spirit *2 Corinthians 3:11-17
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SUMMARY: 2 Corinthians 3:3-18 show that it is the ministration of condemnation and death by the letter that is done away by the ministration of the Spirit through God's mercy, grace and forgiveness through faith that works by love in fulfillment of Gods' new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) that is done away not God's 10 commandments. All God's 10 commandments do under the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172.

An interpretation that 2 Corinthians 3 is talking about abolishing Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction to Paul when he says in Romans 3:31 that faith does not abolish Gods' law it establishes God's law and again in Romans 13:8-10 where Paul says we love our neighbor as our self by being obedient to those laws in God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man.

Indeed the ministration of the Spirit is greater the than the ministration of the letter because while the letter brings death and condemnation while the Spirit brings life and forgiveness through Christ and writes the law on the heart through faith that works by love which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word and walk in newness of life *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 6:1-23. It is not therefore God’s 10 commandments that have become obsolete it is the ministration of condemnation and death through the ministration of God’s forgiveness and His sacrifice for our sins.

God's Word does not support your teachings of lawlessness (without law).

Take Care now.
 
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What is written on the heart is not letters.
Well actually it is in a sense. Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to magnify it Isaiah 42:21, which means makes greater. What Jesus wants is for us to have a heart transformation (law of God in the heart and mind) and doing so, the commandments of God will be kept, each and every one of them. There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The spirit of the law is greater than the letter because it not only includes the letter when keeping it, it changes our attitude from the inside out. The focus is on the spirit of the law and in doing so the letter is automatically kept. There is no scenario in scripture where we are free to break any of God's commandments in spirit or Letter. We should be striving to keep the spirit of the law and walk in obedience to the commandments which in return we are given the Spirit, which will help us obey for those who are doers of God's Word and not just hearers. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32, James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14

A good example is from Matthew 5:


Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

If we change our thoughts from being angry and hateful to our neighbor from to being patient, loving and kind, that is the focus and in doing so would one be keeping the letter of the law to thou shalt not murder or breaking that commandment. Keeping the commandments of God does no harm, but breaking them does.
 
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Well actually it is in a sense. Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to magnify it Isaiah 42:21, which means makes greater. What Jesus wants is for us to have a heart transformation (law of God in the heart and mind) and doing so, the commandments of God will be kept, each and every one of them. There is the letter of the law and the Spirit of the law. The Spirit of the law is greater than the letter because it not only includes the letter when keeping it, it changes our attitude from the inside out. The focus is on the Spirit of the law and in doing so the letter is automatically kept. There is no scenario in scripture where we are free to break any of God's commandments in Spirit or Letter.

A good example is from Matthew 5:


Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

If we change our thoughts from being angry and hateful to our neighbor from to being patient, loving and kind, that is the focus and in doing so would one be keeping the letter of the law to thou shalt not murder or breaking that commandment. Keeping the commandments of God does no harm, but breaking them does.
Are you able to say what the letters are that are automatically kept?
 
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Are you able to say what the letters are that are automatically kept?
I am referring to the Ten Commandments, what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:21-25 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12
 
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I am referring to the Ten Commandments, what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:21-25 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12
Okay... and I know you've talked about others in addition to the 10. Are you able to say what those letters are?
 
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Okay... and I know you've talked about others in addition to the 10. Are you able to say what those letters are?
Sure, and I have, but for the sake of simplicity which we have talked about many times, if we can't get past the basics, adding more doesn't make a lot of sense. At some point we all should start being doers of God's Word instead of hearers. :) James 1:22
 
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Sure, and I have, but for the sake of simplicity which we have talked about many times, if we can't get past the basics, adding more doesn't make a lot of sense. At some point we all should start being doers of God's Word instead of hearers. :) James 1:22
Okay... please post the link where you say what those letters are.

Grace and peace to you!
 
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