How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[Opdrey]

I'll put you on my prayer list.

Thanks. But I hope the point bears more than just putting me on the list.

Remember that not all have the same faith journey you did.

 

[Astrid]

Agreed. The Bible is not a textbook for anything technical in the slightest. If anything it's got some good stuff that explains how people function.

Very inefficient way of transmitting the same sort of folk
wisdom that is daily currency here.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yup ... it's called the long axis.

The Bible gives the circumference (30) and the long axis (10), but does not give the short axis (9.0763[something]) since there's no need to.

Now you're inventing precision. The original is only precise to 1 digit. 1.x10^1 cubits across and 3.x10^1 cubits around are compatible with pi and circularity. This is just basic measurement theory.

Pi has nothing to do with it.

Of course it does. The formula for the circumference of an ellipse *also* includes pi. (A circle is just an ellipse with two equal axes.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course it does. The formula for the circumference of an ellipse *also* includes pi. (A circle is just an ellipse with two equal axes.)

But only if the long axis and the short axis are the same, right?

Then you have a true circle.

 

[Astrid]

Now you're inventing precision. The original is only precise to 1 digit. 1.x10^1 cubits across and 3.x10^1 cubits around are compatible with pi and circularity. This is just basic measurement theory.



Of course it does. The formula for the circumference of an ellipse *also* includes pi. (A circle is just an ellipse with two equal axes.)

Anything to avoid approximation errors.
As if there was ever an exact cubit or way to measure it.

 

[Opdrey]

But only if the long axis and the short axis are the same, right?

Then you have a true circle.

Actually Pi factors into most of the methods of calculating an ellipse circumfrence.

Perimeter of Ellipse - Formula, Definition, Examples

 

[Opdrey]

Anything to avoid approximation errors.
As if there was ever an exact cubit or way to measure it.

My favorite was the distance from the elbow to the hand. Makes me wonder if the ancients had a "standard forearm" stored somewhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anything to avoid approximation errors.

I don't consider listing two parameters of an ellipse out of three solving an approximation error.

In fact, if I had to guess, I'd say it would even be on geometry tests.

TEST QUESTION: What is the short axis of an ellipse, if the circumference is 30, and the long axis is 10?

(Round off to the nearest 100th.)

As if there was ever an exact cubit or way to measure it.

I'm sure there was. Probably the length from the tip of Noah's middle finger to his elbow, then simply standardized for future use.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually Pi factors into most of the methods of calculating an ellipse circumfrence.

Perimeter of Ellipse - Formula, Definition, Examples

Okay ... thanks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Makes me wonder if the ancients had a "standard forearm" stored somewhere.

That's cute.

Do you guys ever think this stuff through?

Establish a length, then preserve it with a piece of string, a strap of leather, a board, length of stone, metal bar, or whatever.

 

[Opdrey]

That's cute.

Do you guys ever think this stuff through?

Why do you think I wrote it?

Establish a length, then preserve it with a piece of string, a strap of leather, a board, length of stone, metal bar, or whatever.

You DO realize that there are technical preserved and calibrated standards for metric units, correct? And that even things like "seconds" are calibrated to features of atomic vibration.

 

[Opdrey]

I don't consider listing two parameters of an ellipse out of three solving an approximation error.

Are you familiar with "significant digits"?

(Round off to the nearest 100th.)

There ya go! If you round Pi to 1 significant digit it is 3. Nothing too terribly hard about that.

 

[AV1611VET]

You DO realize that there are technical preserved and calibrated standards for metric units, correct? And that even things like "seconds" are calibrated to features of atomic vibration.

I do indeed.

And if we can use something to standardize weights and measures, do you think they could too?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you familiar with "significant digits"?

No.

There ya go! If you round Pi to 1 significant digit it is 3. Nothing too terribly hard about that.

Um ... I didn't say round Pi off to its nearest digit.

I said round the short axis off to the nearest digit.

 

[Opdrey]

I do indeed.

And if we can use something to standardize weights and measures, do you think they could too?

Probably not, to be quite honest.

Especially if one uses the idea of a cubit being the same cubit as used by the Sumerians, Egyptians and Israelites which was the length of the elbow to the tip of the fingers.

 

[Opdrey]

No.

Might help you quite a bit in this case.

Um ... I didn't say round Pi off to its nearest digit.

But you did mention something being rounded to the nearest hundredths and that's an example of how significant digits operate (there's a lot more about significant digits than just that buy you were on track)

Does it ever alter your position on thing when you find out you didn't know something?

Instead of trying to exegete the bible into saying something is round all about is actually an ellipse, why not just assume that it was a rounding issue?

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably not, to be quite honest.

Then why did God demand it?

Deuteronomy 25:15 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Especially if one uses the idea of a cubit being the same cubit as used by the Sumerians, Egyptians and Israelites which was the length of the elbow to the tip of the fingers.

Noah came before they did.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then why did God demand it?

Deuteronomy 25:15 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Assuming Deuteronomy is a legitimate book, those were instructions for the priestly class of Israel, whom must be perfect physical specimens if they were to approach God's altar.

The early Hebrews were sticklers for physical and racial purity, after all -- a habit which would come back to bite them a few thousand years later...

 

[AV1611VET]

Assuming Deuteronomy is a legitimate book, those were instructions for the priestly class of Israel, whom must be perfect physical specimens if they were to approach God's altar.

And how did they accomplish this, if everyone's arms weren't the same length?

 

[TLK Valentine]

And how did they accomplish this, if everyone's arms weren't the same length?

I'm sure their arms were the same length -- their left arms had better be the same length as their right arms, or they'd be too flawed to be in the presence of God.

Leviticus 21:18 covered this, but it would make sense for Deuteronomy to go into more details, considering its origins and patronage...