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Gave birth to a cute little stinker. - lol
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Good tidings of great joy, which shall be to SOME people?
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Your misunderstanding.
That is not saying UR is true, that is hoping that hell is empty because purgatory will take care of the problem.
But in Catholic teaching, only believers go to purgatory, unbelievers go to damnation.
Fallen man's idea of "sanity" does not equate to Biblical truth.Anyway, by Orthodoxy I was referring to the Eastern Orthodox church which regards the universalist Gregory of Nyssa as the "the father of fathers", and not a heretic at all. Good to know there's still some sanity left in the world
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It's not saying UR is true, I agree, but it's hoping it's true.
My question was, do you accept this? Do you accept that the Catholic church hopes for the restoration of all and that that hell is empty, IOW UR? If you don't, please say so and I'll dig out the part of the Catholic Catechism that says just that.
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Their hope is not about restoration.
Their hope is that God will at their death find everyone basically good "on the inside" and accept them, making purgatory their experience for some clean-up, rather than hell.
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I know you're a very scriptural person so let me ask, Do you have any scripture that backs up this very complicated sentence? Or is this merely an abstract intellectual theorem that you've been taught, no doubt by the finest minds that Protestantism has yet produced (and I say this as a reluctant Protestant)?
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Catholic teaching is not about Scripture, it's about church doctrine, it's about the way their tradition views the spiritual world.
And it's gotten a little fluid in the last few decades, Protestantism pushing it around a little.
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Got any collateral?
You, not I, brought up the Catholic's hope for restoration, which hope you did not understand correctly.
I simply explained what it actually is.
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Mercy me.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:16 NIV
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
James 2:13 NIV
... Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:16 NIV
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
James 2:13 NIV
... Mercy triumphs over judgment.
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except for the truth of Scripture...
John 8:32 (KJV)
[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 17:17 (KJV)
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
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I recall doing a study which ended inconclusive.
The question of the study is which person of the trinity was in the Old Testament who would "repay offenses back to their face"
Because Jesus says to be like the Father and be kind to those who are hateful to you.
My best guess is the God of the old testament is the Holy Spirit, who does not forgive blasphemy according to Jesus.
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