American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree ~

[LoveGodsWord]

There is no noted connection between worshiping day and resting day, as you claimed. It's ok for you to think that, but you're just making it up.

You may want to tell that to God himself who disagrees with your claims here in *Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23 calling the Sabbath a day of worship. Also, you may want to consider that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. I guess this begs the question. If Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing this we are not worshiping God, who are we worshiping, God or man? God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

Something to pray about.

 

[John Mullally]

Worshipping on Sunday is not Biblical at all...as you can see, even the American Tract Society and the American Sunday School Union admit that the Bible is "silent" on the observance of Sunday and the change of the Sabbath from the 7th to the 1st day of the week.

I agree with this statement.

Do you think it really SAFE to follow TRADITION when God Himself CLEARLY says, "Remember the seventh day to keep it holy..."? He wrote that in STONE with His own FINGER.... It's the ONLY thing in the whole Bible that God wrote in STONE...and yet, 99% of Christians today say it doesn't matter which day you choose to keep holy...

The Jerusalem Council (which included Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus) was formed to determine what Jewish laws Gentile Christians needed to keep. The Judaizers demanded that Gentile Christians keep the Jewish laws (Acts 15:5). The final decision in Acts 15:28-29 shows that Gentile Christians were only expected to keep a few of the Jewish laws. Neither Acts 15:29 nor any of the other directives in the Epistles (i.e. the post Resurrection directives) demand observing Saturday or Sunday.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
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Its important to have communion with other believers - whether that occurs on Saturday, Sunday, or any other day.

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.​

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree with this statement.

The Jerusalem Council (which included Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus) was formed to determine what Jewish laws Gentile Christians needed to keep. The Judaizers demanded that Gentile Christians keep the Jewish laws (Acts 15:5). The final decision in Acts 15:28-29 shows that Gentile Christians were only expected to keep a few of the Jewish laws. Neither Acts 15:29 nor any of the other directives in the Epistles (i.e. the post Resurrection directives) demand observing Saturday or Sunday.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
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Its important to have communion with other believers - whether that occurs on Saturday, Sunday, or any other day.

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.​

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.​

The trouble is with this view of Acts 15 the Jerusalem council was not discussing what day to worship on. The topic and subject matter of Acts of the Apostles 15 was over the question "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believer" which is the context and subject matter being discussed as shown in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. The context and subject matter was never is Gods 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. The latter interpretation trying to argue that Gods' 10 commandments are no longer the standard of Christian living has Paul in contradiction to Paul when after the decision at Jerusalem was given some time latter when meeting up with the Corinthians gentile believers he says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" - 1 Corinthians 7:19. Then of course we have Romans 14:5 that many try to read Gods' 4th commandment into the scripture, to try and justify the man-made teaching and tradition of "Sunday worship". Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day Sabbath" in the whole chapter or book of Romans. Keep in mind here the scriptures are not talking about what day God esteems over other days as a memorial of creation but what days men esteem for eating and not eating. According to Luke the things that men esteem are an abomination to God in Luke 16:15. Both sets of scriptures have nothing to do whatsoever with Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. Sunday worship on the other hand is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. I guess this begs the question. If Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing this we are not worshiping God, who are we worshiping, God or man? God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

God bless.

 

[DamianWarS]

Worshipping on Sunday is not Biblical at all

show me how worshipping on the Sabbath (in the same manner as this Sunday style) is a biblical model?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

show me how worshipping on the Sabbath (in the same manner as this Sunday style) is a biblical model?

Firstly Sunday worship is not a biblical model because it is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God's Word to break Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Sabbath worship...

• Resting from all secular and business work including buying, selling, domestic duties - Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16.
• A day for remembering creation and celebrating and worshiping the only true God of creation - Exodus 20:8-11; Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23
  
• Going to Church on the Sabbath - Luke 4:16; Acts of the Apostles 17:2
  
• Reading the bible and bible study on the Sabbath - Luke 4:16-20; Matthew 13:54–58; Mark 6:1–6; Acts of the Apostles 17:2
  
• Praying on the Sabbath - Acts of the Apostles 16:13
• Hymns and singing on the Sabbath - Psalms 92:1-15

Take Care.

 

[DamianWarS]

Firstly Sunday worship is not a biblical model because it is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God's Word to break Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Sabbath worship...

• Resting from all secular and business work including buying, selling, domestic duties - Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16.
• A day for remembering creation and celebrating and worshiping the only true God of creation - Exodus 20:8-11; Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23
  
• Going to Church on the Sabbath - Luke 4:16; Acts of the Apostles 17:2
  
• Reading the bible and bible study on the Sabbath - Luke 4:16-20; Matthew 13:54–58; Mark 6:1–6; Acts of the Apostles 17:2
  
• Praying on the Sabbath - Acts of the Apostles 16:13
• Hymns and singing on the Sabbath - Psalms 92:1-15

Take Care.

so what happens if I do that on another day?

 

[HIM]

The Sabbath was never a day of worship it is a day of rest.

The Law by Dr. Arnold G Fruchtenbaum. including teaching on the Sabbath. 26:30 time mark

There is no noted connection between worshiping day and resting day, as you claimed. It's ok for you to think that, but you're just making it up.

The Narrow Way said: ↑
You are supposed to WORK the other six days. The day you REST is the day you should worship on.

The commandment says to keep the day Holy. How do we keep a object holy?
And if I may Jesus went to church on the Sabbath, it was His custom. Why? And is Jesus our example?

 

[d taylor]

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[LoveGodsWord]

so what happens if I do that on another day?

Hi Damian, we should worship God everyday of the week like the early disciples did *Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 that has never been the problem. Gods' Sabbath according to Gods' 4th commandment is a holy day or a day set apart by God from all the other days of the week that God blessed for all mankind (Mark 2:27) as a holy day of rest where no work, business, buying or selling or domestic work is to be done. It is a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth for the full "seventh day" of the week *Exodus 20:8-11. Gods' time according to Genesis is sunset to sunset *Genesis 1:1-5 so Gods' Sabbath started sunset Friday and continues sunset Saturday Gods' time. According to the scriptures if we knowingly break God's law it is sin *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

God bless (Happy Sabbath my time)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I would suggest that if you really what to understand The Sabbath. This book would be a very good place to start.

No thank you. I prefer the bible. This is the only book we should follow praying that God will be our guide and teacher through His Spirit *John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27 which is a part of God's new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:11. Anything else can lead us away from God and His Word to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

 

[DamianWarS]

Hi Damian, we should worship God everyday of the week like the early disciples did *Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 that has never been the problem.

it is according to the OP who is quoted "Worshipping on Sunday is not Biblical at all". I mean did we all read that? that's quite the statement, isn't it?

Gods' Sabbath according to Gods' 4th commandment is a holy day or a day set apart by God from all the other days of the week that God blessed for all mankind (Mark 2:27) as a holy day of rest where no work, business, buying or selling or domestic work is to be done.

I see your passion for this but it seems to be a digressed topic. I am replying to what is presented in the OP and certainly, I will defend all days of the week to freely worship God. you yourself offer counter-evidence to the OP supporting a biblical idea that Sunday worship was something the early church participated in and I would agree with that. But I'm not interested in entertaining digressed topics.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

it is according to the OP who is quoted "Worshipping on Sunday is not Biblical at all". I mean did we all read that? that's quite the statement, isn't it?

The OP title is "American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree". The OP is only stating the obvious that there is agreement between these Sunday keepers that there is no scripture that states that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus and that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about doing in Matthew 15:3-9. This is the way that I read the OP anyway. The point here in Matthew 15:3-9 is that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God, in this case Gods 4th commandment we are not worshiping God according to Jesus. So very relevant in my view.

I see your passion for this but it seems to be a digressed topic. I am replying to what is presented in the OP and certainly, I will defend all days of the week to freely worship God. you yourself offer counter-evidence to the OP supporting a biblical idea that Sunday worship was something the early church participated in and I would agree with that. But I'm not interested in entertaining digressed topics.

I believe what I have been presenting is on topic to the OP for the reasons shown in the previous section. Maybe we are reading the OP slightly differently? How are you reading it? I pray you can see at least where I am coming from though in our discussion.

God bless.

 

[SkyWriting]

You may want to tell that to God himself who disagrees with your claims here in *Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23 calling the Sabbath a day of worship. Also, you may want to consider that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. I guess this begs the question. If Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing this we are not worshiping God, who are we worshiping, God or man? God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

Something to pray about.

That's a lot of construction to do and rigamarole to go through for new moons and such. I don't believe anyone goes that direction anymore.

‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. The prince shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway from the outside, and stand by the gatepost. The priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings. He shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the LORD on the Sabbaths and the New Moons.

 

[d taylor]

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[DamianWarS]

The OP title is "American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree". The OP is only stating the obvious that there is agreement between these Sunday keepers that there is no scripture that states that Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus and that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about doing in Matthew 15:3-9. This is the way that I read the OP anyway. The point here in Matthew 15:3-9 is that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God, in this case Gods 4th commandment we are not worshiping God according to Jesus. So very relevant in my view.

I believe what I have been presenting is on topic to the OP for the reasons shown in the previous section. Maybe we are reading the OP slightly differently? How are you reading it? I pray you can see at least where I am coming from though in our discussion.

God bless.

The OP does challenge the idea that the Sabbath should not be changed to Sunday but it really doesn't establish much else other than saying worship on Sunday is not biblical which is a bizarre thing to say but the suggestion is only the Sabbath is for worship and how dare the church worship on another day, again a bizarre thing to say.

As to the challenge I support it, Sunday is not the Sabbath and the Sabbath is not Sunday. Now that we got that out of the way let's not discourage meeting together to give glory to God no matter what day of the week that is (and certainly don't say it's not biblical), we should instead be rejoicing this is happening.

You're in Australia, I'm actually in Indonesia and for both of us Sabbath has started since sunset. For the calendar day for me, it's called "Sabtu" which is from Arabic al-sabt lit. the-rest or the-cease. It has more of a sense of ceasing the week over a religious practice of ceasing. Al-sabt is probably from the Hebrew counterpart Shabbat and we all know the meaning of that.

Indonesia follows western ways of counting days but it is predominantly a Muslim nation and every day at Maghrip the call to prayer is at sunset and on Friday (today) it would be ushering in the Sabbath (Muslims, of course, don't follow the Sabbath but the times coincide). So I am quite literally reminded when the Sabbath starts and it is not on Sunday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The OP does challenge the idea that the Sabbath should not be changed to Sunday but it really doesn't establish much else other than saying worship on Sunday is not biblical which is a bizarre thing to say but the suggestion is only the Sabbath is for worship and how dare the church worship on another day, again a bizarre thing to say.

As to the challenge I support it, Sunday is not the Sabbath and the Sabbath is not Sunday. Now that we got that out of the way let's not discourage meeting together to give glory to God no matter what day of the week that is (and certainly don't say it's not biblical), we should instead be rejoicing this is happening.

You're in Australia, I'm actually in Indonesia and for both of us Sabbath has started since sunset. For the calendar day for me, it's called "Sabtu" which is from Arabic al-sabt lit. the-rest or the-cease. It has more of a sense of ceasing the week over a religious practice of ceasing. Al-sabt is probably from the Hebrew counterpart Shabbat and we all know the meaning of that.

Indonesia follows western ways of counting days but it is predominantly a Muslim nation and every day at Maghrip the call to prayer is at sunset and on Friday (today) it would be ushering in the Sabbath (Muslims, of course, don't follow the Sabbath but the times coincide). So I am quite literally reminded when the Sabbath starts and it is not on Sunday.

This reminds me of the parable of the two sons…

The Parable of the Two Sons
Matthew 21:28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”

“The first,” they answered.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectorsand the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Also the sacrifice of Cain and Abel. I think the point is we should always obey God’s and His will..

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words:

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth,the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

The Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord thy God and Gods wants us to keep holy the same day that is holy to Him. This is a special day of holy communion with our Creator and Savior on a day God blessed, sanctified and made holy for Him and for us. All other days are working days, so it’s not the same. God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's a lot of construction to do and rigamarole to go through for new moons and such. I don't believe anyone goes that direction anymore.

‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. The prince shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway from the outside, and stand by the gatepost. The priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings. He shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the LORD on the Sabbaths and the New Moons.

No not really, I just shared what God says verbatim from the scriptures in *Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23 calling the Sabbath a day of worship. They are Gods' Words not mine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What he does not understand is that is during the millennium reign of The Messiah, under Kingdom Law. Those verse have noting to do with the Law of Moses and now.

There was no Moses, no law, no sin and no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3

 

[d taylor]

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[LoveGodsWord]

So what, the verses you keep posting Ezekiel 46 and Isaiah 66 is not about Genesis or Mark. They are about The Law in The Messianic Kingdom, and how God will rule the earth then.

According to the scriptures there is only one definition of the creation Sabbath and that is found in Exodus 20:10 where it says, But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD:

These scriptures show that "the Sabbath" according to God himself is a day of worship. This is the point I think your missing here.

Ezekiel 46:1-3 [1], THUS SAID THE LORD GOD; The gate of the inner court that looks toward the east shall be shut the six working days; BUT ON THE SABBATH IT SHALL BE OPENED, AND IN THE DAY OF THE NEW MOON IT SHALL BE OPENED. [2], And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and HE SHALL WORSHIP AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE GATE: THEN HE SHALL GO FORTH; BUT THE GATE SHALL NOT BE SHUT UNTIL THE EVENING. [3], Likewise THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND SHALL WORSHIP AT THE DOOR OF THIS GATE BEFORE THE LORD IN THE SABBATHS and in the new moons.

and again here....

Isaiah 66:22-23 [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, SAID THE LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, said the LORD.

Note: the scriptures above is God saying that the Sabbath is a day of worship. So letting the scriptures do the talking here and focusing on the point being made. The Sabbath according to God alone is a day of worship. Note also the scriptures Ezekiel 46:1-3 is old testament scripture before the new heavens and new earth with God stating that the Sabbath is a day of worship, while Isaiah 66:22-23 also God stating that after the new heavens and new earth that Sabbath is still a day of worship because the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant *see Exodus 31:16-17 since creation linked into a continuous everlasting seven day weekly cycle. If a weekly cycle never ends then neither does the Sabbath which God calls a day of worship in this earth and the one to come.

Happy Sabbath.