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I read it...

Christianity 101.

You don't seem to have the first clue about my walk with Jesus.

You have honestly no idea.

Have a great day.

What do you think all of post # 222 linked says with it's supporting scriptures?

Take Care Carl :wave:
 
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The term "the Lord's day" is only used one time in the entire Bible.

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet," Revelation 1:10.

There's nothing in Revelation to indicate what day of the week the author is talking about, or even if he's talking about an actual day of the week that I know of.

Either Saturday or Sunday being called "the Lord's day" is not seen within scripture. That term being used for either Saturday or Sunday is outside of scripture and is therefore simply a matter of tradition as I see it.
 
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The term "the Lord's day" is only used one time in the entire Bible.

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet," Revelation 1:10.

There's nothing in Revelation to indicate what day of the week the author is talking about, or even if he's talking about an actual day of the week that I know of.

Either Saturday or Sunday being called "the Lord's day" is not seen within scripture. That term being used for either Saturday or Sunday is outside of scripture and is therefore simply a matter of tradition as I see it.

That is not true at all. The Greek word meaning of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means pertaining to the Lord or the Lords ownership of the day from Revelation 1:10. So it is a day that Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath has both authority over because he is the creator God of heaven and earth as shown in *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and ownership over because he blessed it and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind to keep as one of Gods' 10 commandments because He (God) rested on the "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). So in the scriptures above Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath day (not Sunday). The scriptures also show the claim of Jesus and God's ownership of the Sabbath day which is the Greek meaning of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means pertaining to the Lord or the Lords ownership of the day from Revelation 1:10 here in * Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10 and Hebrews 4:3-4.

Take Care Brian.
 
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You are not my teacher friend...
Have a great day...
Gods' Word should be our teacher Carl as He guides us through His Spirit. Nice to talk to you.

Have a nice day :wave:
 
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Gods' Word should be our teacher Carl as He guides us through His Spirit. Nice to talk to you.

Have a nice day :wave:

Exactly and your word is not always God's Word.

Have a great day.
 
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Exactly and your word is not always God's Word.

Have a great day.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed according to *Matthew 10:26. I do not judge you however it is the words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48. At that time however it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear God's Word but chose to harden their hearts to hearing God's Word and chose instead to turn away from it (Matthew 7:21-23). Let's all pray we are not in that group.

Nice talking to you Carl.
 
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There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed according to *Matthew 10:26. I do not judge you however it is the words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48. At that time however it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear God's Word but chose to harden their hearts and turn away from it (Matthew 7:21-23).

Nice talking to you Carl.

I notice you imply I am hard hearted.

How arrogant is that...

You don't know me.

Have a great day.
 
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I notice you imply I am hard hearted.

How arrogant is that...

You don't know me.

Have a great day.

You misunderstand what was posted to you Carl. The application of the scriptures that were shared I included myself. We can all be hard hearted because we have a sinful nature. I apologize if you took my post the wrong way as that was not the purpose. I noticed you left out the last sentence in my post while quoting me, was there a reason for that?

Take Care.
 
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Messianic Judaism didn't exist until the 20th century. So, let's not play that game.

-CryptoLutheran

Have you even read the Bible? All of the first Christians were Jews. They were called the sect of the Nazarenes. It wasn't until Antioch that they (Jewish believers in Yeshua) were first called Christians.

So, don't play that game.
 
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Of course they do and it could not be more obvious.

Yep. And virtually no Christians came to know the truth about that until a prophetess started having visions 19 centuries after Christianity started.
 
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What is it there that you are not in agreement with?

Well since you say my statement of "so then you and SDA do believe that Christians have to keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved" is a misrepresentation no one believes. Then obviously the alternative that you and SDA don't believe that Christians have to keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved, must be correct, so that means we are in agreement.
 
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That's kind of what it boils down to. One can either believe that there was an almost instantaneous, rapid, and full-blown apostasy right from the get-go--which basically means Jesus lied when He said "the gates of Hades will not stand against it", and even so, we can't trust anything in the Bible anyway since the Bible is a product of that apostate church.

Or one can believe that Jesus Christ is faithful to His word, and that His Church has indeed been moving right down through history boldly confessing Jesus Christ in the world. One doesn't have believe the Church has always had it all gotten together and figured out, or that the Church is infallible; but there is a very real sense that if we can't put any trust into the Church, then we start losing the ability to trust almost anything else. Because whether anyone likes it or not, the only reason any of us today are even able to have this conversation and call ourselves Christians and even read from a Bible is because each and every single one of us has heard about Jesus from other believers in Jesus, who heard it from others. And that goes all the way back to Jesus and His Apostles.

This is why, I believe, it's important when we confess that we believe in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" in the Nicene Creed. That's not saying, "I put my faith in fallible men", that's saying, "I put my faith in the faithful God". We believe in the Church because we believe in the faithfulness of God to His Church.

-CryptoLutheran
Yes, that's basically how it looks to me, as well.

"A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."

Of course, it doesn't necessarily follow that everything in the Acts of John is true; the writer may have gone off the deep end.

And yes, one corollary of saying that the church as a whole apostasized is that it is then up to each individual to pick out their own scriptures.
 
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I do not follow the teachings of apocrypha over the scriptures.
I understand you don't follow it. I'm inviting you to comment on the subject of the thread, what the passage means, if you wish.
 
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