If Roe vs Wade is overturned, will the GOP lose in 2022?

[Desk trauma]

Well, dead silence about my examination of some Men, in addition, the Catholic church and other Christian as well as secular organizations want eventually to criminalize artificial birth control methods calling some of them " abortifacient' as for Catholics they disapprove of barriers methods like Condoms that are not so called ' abortifacients'. So in effect it's complete control of the heterosexual acts blaming Women for unplanned pregnancies, never the desires nor actions of MEN!

What secular organizations have their sights on criminalizing birth control?

 

[RDKirk]

Well, dead silence about my examination of some Men, in addition, the Catholic church and other Christian as well as secular organizations want eventually to criminalize artificial birth control methods calling some of them " abortifacient' as for Catholics they disapprove of barriers methods like Condoms that are not so called ' abortifacients'. So in effect it's complete control of the heterosexual acts blaming Women for unplanned pregnancies, never the desires nor actions of MEN!

My father taught me: "Always keep control of your own sperm. On the day you die, you should know for sure that any of your sperm not intended to get your wife pregnant went into the trash. If you don't want to be a father, don't leave that up to a woman." And I taught my son the same thing.

Of course, as well, there are more issues involved than a man should be concerned with than an unwanted pregnancy. Especially these days, when women are as sexually active (and cheat as often) as men do. Do they still teach kids, "When you have sex, you have sex with everyone your partner has had sex with?"

But you're still stopping short. Even before the question of using condoms comes the question: Why are you having sex? Why then? Why with that person?

There is the entire issue in American culture of encouraging children to start sexually pairing as early as their elementary years: "Why, hello Katy! You're in the fifth grade now? Do you have a boyfriend? Who's your little boyfriend?" Why are we putting it into children's heads that they should be sexually pairing...even in high school?

Or these days, "Why hello, Katy? You're in the fifth grade now? Have you decided if you're male or female or non-binary or gay yet?"

I've noticed that even My Little Ponies are sexualized now. And who came first? Bratz dolls or the Kardassians?

 

[SingingTheBlues]

The question then becomes “how much control does a woman have over her own bodily autonomy, (Constitutionally speaking)?”

Or how much control does a woman have over another person's body that is within her body.

Really it's not about either. It's really a states rights issue.

 

[rambot]

Or how much control does a woman have over another person's body that is within her body.

Really it's not about either. It's really a states rights issue.

Funny that in the first half, you frame it as a moral issue. But really...it's just a "states rights" issue.

Man....when has moral issues been conflated with states rights issues before?

 

[SingingTheBlues]

Funny that in the first half, you frame it as a moral issue. But really...it's just a "states rights" issue.

Man....when has moral issues been conflated with states rights issues before?

I wasn't really trying to frame the argument. Just illustrating that argument isnt quite as simple as that.

I suppose most constitutional amendments have strong moral drivers but that's the real problem here. There is no amendment that guarantees a right to abortion. It was a bad judicial judgment that circumvented the legislative process.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If Roe is reversed the GOP will have to come up with something else to get voters to the polls. Traditionally they’re not the “new ideas” Party.

The end of Roe would mean that abortion would become more, not less relevant to elections because it would mean the issue would be decided by elected officials rather than unelected judges.

 

[Peter J Barban]

If it goes back to the states to rule on abortion, I expect a shake-up in the Republican party. A lot of Repub leaders don't want to do anything about abortion, they just like to run against it.

Now, however, a fired-up Republican base will drive out those pols who are all talk. I'd like to see that.

However, can such a party win national elections? Again, I'd like to see that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Or how much control does a woman have over another person's body that is within her body.

Really it's not about either. It's really a states rights issue.

Meaning the state decides what happens within a woman's body?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The end of Roe would mean that abortion would become more, not less relevant to elections because it would mean the issue would be decided by elected officials rather than unelected judges.

Ironic, considering that you only need 5 unelected judges to make that happen... and you won't be against them until after they do it.

 

[SingingTheBlues]

Ironic, considering that you only need 5 unelected judges to make that happen... and you won't be against them until after they do it.

You only need five unelected judges to reverse a decision you only needed five judges to make.

 

[Incendiary Minds]

Funny that in the first half, you frame it as a moral issue. But really...it's just a "states rights" issue.

Man....when has moral issues been conflated with states rights issues before?

Hmm Well as much as Pro lifers deny the following about slavery in the US south, the Slavemaster didn't need to eat, nor excrete wastes nor take in oxygen to keep a slave alive. Also, even until this day despite to the contrary Slaves had Sentience- doubtless and especially the ones who just like other people until the late Victorian Era were coerced to obey ( ie; sailors, prisoners, etc via means of brutal CORPORAL PUNISHMENT!) So chattel slavery and " unborn children " is an erroneous comparison to rationalize in the battle over abortion.

In any case, if Roe V Wade is overturned, just how MANY White wealthy Women are going to tolerate mandatory " pregnancy tests" at States' borders or getting arrested, imprisoned or face crippling fines for attempting to obtain abortions out of state, out of the country? How invasive to one gender does a government have to get before it's seen as a tyrannical Theocracy and subsequently drives people to revolt?

A final thought- the TRANS issue. With so many children presenting as Autistic or being anything but a raging heterosexual and subsequently getting bullied by other children and cries for help ignored by teachers, with the result being suicide at 12, even 10 years old what's worse exposure to and prevention of harassment by children or doing nothing because that's " ungodly "and hearing about their classmates commiting SUICIDE?

Sex change procedures are still medically in a very primitive stage, perhaps in 150 years or so cloning a body and manipulation of the chromosomes ( so .... that the cloned body reflects the " right "gender) and electronic transfers of brain patterns will be done.
Some will call it science fiction, but people did the same about organ transplants. In addition, just exactly when did societies even begin to treat some physical or other problems instead of expecting people to just live with " Gods limitations forced upon you by circumstances?

 

[Peter J Barban]

Meaning the state decides what happens within a woman's body?

As an aside, the state has always regulated our bodies, men as well as women.

 

[SingingTheBlues]

Hmm Well as much as Pro lifers deny the following about slavery in the US south, the Slavemaster didn't need to eat, nor excrete wastes nor take in oxygen to keep a slave alive. Also, even until this day despite to the contrary Slaves had Sentience- doubtless and especially the ones who just like other people until the late Victorian Era were coerced to obey ( ie; sailors, prisoners, etc via means of brutal CORPORAL PUNISHMENT!) So chattel slavery and " unborn children " is an erroneous comparison to rationalize in the battle over abortion.

In any case, if Roe V Wade is overturned, just how MANY White wealthy Women are going to tolerate mandatory " pregnancy tests" at States' borders or getting arrested, imprisoned or face crippling fines for attempting to obtain abortions out of state, out of the country? How invasive to one gender does a government have to get before it's seen as a tyrannical Theocracy and subsequently drives people to revolt?

A final thought- the TRANS issue. With so many children presenting as Autistic or being anything but a raging heterosexual and subsequently getting bullied by other children and cries for help ignored by teachers, with the result being suicide at 12, even 10 years old what's worse exposure to and prevention of harassment by children or doing nothing because that's " ungodly "and hearing about their classmates commiting SUICIDE?

Sex change procedures are still medically in a very primitive stage, perhaps in 150 years or so cloning a body and manipulation of the chromosomes ( so .... that the cloned body reflects the " right "gender) and electronic transfers of brain patterns will be done.
Some will call it science fiction, but people did the same about organ transplants. In addition, just exactly when did societies even begin to treat some physical or other problems instead of expecting people to just live with " Gods limitations forced upon you by circumstances?

What? Pro lifers deny what about past slavery in the south? Thats painting with a broad brush to say the least. Not to mention the accusation is nonsensical.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You only need five unelected judges to reverse a decision you only needed five judges to make.

True, but fwiw, Roe v Wade was decided 7-2.

 

[SingingTheBlues]

I have to say, I am amazed by the high number of trolls on this forum.

 

[TLK Valentine]

As an aside, the state has always regulated our bodies, men as well as women.

Up to a point.

You have a rare blood type. As it happens, you are a perfect match for a 9-year old girl who desperately needs a new kidney. Are you obligated to save her life?

No. Not without your express consent... orally or in writing -- and if it's in writing, not even your estate can do it after you kick the bucket, because your "no" is on the record.

Think about it: the state cannot regulate your body, even to save the life of another, even after you yourself are dead.

Now, maybe I'm just a wacky liberal, but it seems a live woman should have the same freedom as a male corpse.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have to say, I am amazed by the high number of trolls on this forum.

You're new -- you'll be surprised how quickly you get used to it.

 

[SingingTheBlues]

You're new -- you'll be surprised how quickly you get used to it.

No I won't. You got what you came here to do. I am not wasting any more time here.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No I won't. You got what you came here to do. I am not wasting any more time here.

What I came here to do? Friend, I was here long before you showed up.

But this place isn't for everyone, and it's good to recognize if it's not the right fit.

There are fellowship boards over in the Christian-only section which are far less prone to debate and disagreement...

 

[SingingTheBlues]

What I came here to do? Friend, I was here long before you showed up.

But this place isn't for everyone, and it's good to recognize if it's not the right fit.

There are fellowship boards over in the Christian-only section which are far less prone to debate and disagreement...

Observer or debater? Not either. Clearly the intention is to throw out a bunch of incendiary comments, waste peoples time and energy, and end any meaningful conversation.