Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[rjs330]

Sure but most racism is based on bias and stereotypes and that hurts blacks more than other groups.

Ummm.... You just blamed the white guys.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

If so, how does it exist?

Letting brown people pick your vegetable decade after decade but not giving them path to citizenship is systemic racism.

 

[RDKirk]

Letting brown people pick your vegetable decade after decade but not giving them path to citizenship is systemic racism.

If they are not legal residents, the people who hired them are criminals and should be prosecuted. The racism is not in the laws.

 

[Estrid]

If they are not legal residents, the people who hired them are criminals and should be prosecuted. The racism is not in the laws.

If they come in on a work permit that does not entitle them to citizenship.

So is the implied claim that " brown" people are somehow denied
citizenship by colour.

Calling that racism is worse than nonsense.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

If they are not legal residents, the people who hired them are criminals and should be prosecuted. The racism is not in the laws.

Have you seen any administration go after businesses who hire illegal immigrants? No , because Republican or Democrat , no matter which administration in power, they don’t want pound of potato at grocery store cost $11, so they look the other way. Americans wants cheap labor – this is in American history, this is how America was built, first it was black slaves in cotton field , then Chinses migrant to build railroad , back then too politician didn’t want to give legal status to chines migrant , and last 40 years it’s the brown people who pick avocado and we don’t want to give them legal status.

 

[rturner76]

Letting brown people pick your vegetable decade after decade but not giving them path to citizenship is systemic racism.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

?????

 

[RDKirk]

Have you seen any administration go after businesses who hire illegal immigrants? No , because Republican or Democrat , no matter which administration in power, they don’t want pound of potato at grocery store cost $11, so they look the other way. Americans wants cheap labor – this is in American history, this is how America was built, first it was black slaves in cotton field , then Chinses migrant to build railroad , back then too politician didn’t want to give legal status to chines migrant , and last 40 years it’s the brown people who pick avocado and we don’t want to give them legal status.

Certainly the American standard of living has always depended to a greater or lesser degree on a subsistance-level labor force.

Eisenhower was the last president to seriously tackle the problem of illegal labor from Mexico. He even went so far as to reassign Immigration leadership from the southern border to the northern border because too many of the federal officials who'd been in the Mexican border states too long got along "too well" with those local politicians and businesspeople.

In response, the governors on the Mexican border chopped off Eisenhower's head and handed it to him.

 

[Estrid]

Have you seen any administration go after businesses who hire illegal immigrants? No , because Republican or Democrat , no matter which administration in power, they don’t want pound of potato at grocery store cost $11, so they look the other way. Americans wants cheap labor – this is in American history, this is how America was built, first it was black slaves in cotton field , then Chinses migrant to build railroad , back then too politician didn’t want to give legal status to chines migrant , and last 40 years it’s the brown people who pick avocado and we don’t want to give them legal status.

So should they bust the employers sos the "brown" people are sent home?

And why should they come work then get preference for visa
and citizenship over, say, " yellow" or " black" people without aceess to the border, and wait indefinitely for LEGAL entry?

 

[IWalkAlone]

You won't get an answer unless you can solidly define the term 'systemic racism'. Some people seem to think that it means that there have to be laws that specifically and explicitly discriminate against certain races.

That is the definition of systemic racism.

 

[IWalkAlone]

So the conservative way is to make no effort at all to help minority
groups who were long beaten down in America?
No sort of effort to kinda make up for the past, get everyone on their feet?
Equity is not actually a bad word or an evil concept.

get them on their feet how?

 

[IWalkAlone]

Do you feel that the discrimination against Asians in college admissions is
in need of definition?

Discrimination in College Admissions | Asian American Coalition for Education

Its liberals who discriminate against them

 

[IWalkAlone]

Re: The op
I would be inclined to say yes.

But just as importantly, there are some SIGNIFICANT problems with law enforcement in the US; whether it is a race issue is almost irrelevant because the problems are so significant. And as black folks tend to have more interactions with police, it shouldn't be surprising that a system as broken as it is, will be seen as systemically oppressive by the group that interacts with it the most.

They tend to commit more crime. Dont you think that explains why they interact with police more?

 

[Estrid]

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[Estrid]

Its liberals who discriminate against them

Its racist. Thats my only point.

 

[Estrid]

get them on their feet how?

I asked you if "any kind" of effort should be made

 

[IWalkAlone]

That isn't what the studies show. The studies show that all things being equal the results of interactions with the justice system disproportionately favor white people

Young black offenders caught doing the same thing young white offenders (eg selling drugs etc.) will usually have a much worse outcome. Same crime, different justice outcome.

That's systemic racism.

Thats not systemic, there is no law you can point to that is responsible for that. Do you think because they commit more crime that might be why they do more time?

 

[IWalkAlone]

Fair enough. Accounting for other factors in general when a white kid is stopped for a crime and a black kid is stopped for a crime if the crimes are roughly the same (eg drug selling) the black kid will statistically be more likely to have a worse outcome than a white kid. You can read the studies for the nitty gritty statistical details but that's essentially it. And there isn't just one study that finds this. It is found over and over again.



I don't care to debate against whatever cartoon view of the topic you carry around. That's why I stick with facts and studies and data.

Maybe the black kid had a longer criminal record

 

[IWalkAlone]

It's too bad you don't understand how statistical analyses work.

I know how it works. Blacks statistically commit more crime

 

[Estrid]

Thats not systemic, there is no law you can point to that is responsible for that. Do you think because they commit more crime that might be why they do more time?

Instead of looking at the details of why it happens - if it does- it alk goes to
" systemic racism ".

For which, to many, the answer is, " burn jt all down".