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[Ana the Ist]

What is so interesting to me is that, while I was getting my Bachelor of Education degree, I had to take an Epistemology of Science class that was fascinating. One of the things that became evident (And really, should be obvious to anyone once it is said), is that science has become, though it likely always was, kind of a "atomistic" study. You were always looking for more SPECIFIC information; smaller and more detailed areas. The scientists of 200 years ago, were figuring out that traits got passed down, 100 years ago they were realizing their was some kinda gene; now they are learning how to manipulate and manage out genetic code. Our knowledge about more and more specific topics is getting more and more in depth.

That this same ethos is beginning to become accepted in the social sciences is not super surprising. IT is making it, however, harder for common folk to accept things like the difference between gender expression and identity; because it's parsing the topic of "sexuality" into such miniscule parts that it requires a lot of thought to manage it. Before it was simple;...man woman hetero. Boom. IT has become INFINITELY more complex as social scientists analyze sexuality in the context of the individual and culture.

What do you think the epistemology behind that truth claim is?

Do you think it's like science?

Or something else?

 

[bekkilyn]

And when you give a schizophrenic appropriate mediation, their symptoms change. That is not hte same for those who choose their gender.
I had NO idea they are trying to replace biological sex...especially since gender is not the same as sex.

Before all this "woke" stuff, trans people would just live as if they were the other sex as much as they could because it helped their gender dysphoria symptoms, but they were still very well aware that they weren't actually that sex. It's all very different now that it's being pushed onto everyone else as if their mental disorder was the norm and everyone else has to redefine reality to conform to it and validate it.

 

[Sparagmos]

Your contempt for women is even more obvious than usual here.

That’s an unwarranted ad hominem attack. There is nothing remotely anti-woman in @SilverBear ’s post, they simply showed the way you had misrepresented things in order to make transgender women look bad. You took a stat from one prison years ago and tried to pass it off as data on the whole population.

 

[bekkilyn]

That’s an unwarranted ad hominem attack. There is nothing remotely anti-woman in @SilverBear ’s post, they simply showed the way you had misrepresented things in order to make transgender women look bad. You took a stat from one prison years ago and tried to pass it off as data on the whole population.

SilverBear has been responding to my posts in a multitude of threads, the one here being only one of many, and not once have I seen anything expressing any concern whatsoever to the women who are involved in all of these incidents involving transgender people, or even attempting to figure out something in which both groups can be safe without infringing on the other.

And I haven't misrepresented anything. We all know what generally happens when you put males into prison cells with females, and to deny it is to deny biological reality.

 

[rambot]

Before all this "woke" stuff, trans people would just live as if they were the other sex as much as they could because it helped their gender dysphoria symptoms, but they were still very well aware that they weren't actually that sex. It's all very different now that it's being pushed onto everyone else as if their mental disorder was the norm and everyone else has to redefine reality to conform to it and validate it.

wow. I have no idea where you came to that understanding.

 

[bekkilyn]

wow. I have no idea where you came to that understanding.

Well I'd say "do your research" but...

 

[Sparagmos]

It's because trans people (and more specifically trans "women") have to be the most oppressed group these days and so everybody has to know about it every time something happens anywhere ever because it "proves" that they are more victimized than all others combined.

They are four times more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the general population. Regardless of what you think about them, you can acknowledge that they are the targets of violence more so than you or I. People expressing disgust and vitriol towards them online only encourages others to act on their hate.

 

[bekkilyn]

They are four times more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the general population. Regardless of what you think about them, you can acknowledge that they are the targets of violence more so than you or I. People expressing disgust and vitriol towards them online only encourages others to act on their hate.

Are We in the Midst of a Transgender Murder Epidemic?

There Is No Epidemic Of Trans Murders - The American Conservative

There is NO trans murder epidemic. But someone IS using trans deaths for political gain in America

 

[RDKirk]

They are four times more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the general population. Regardless of what you think about them, you can acknowledge that they are the targets of violence more so than you or I. People expressing disgust and vitriol towards them online only encourages others to act on their hate.

Not more often than black women.

 

[Sparagmos]

SilverBear has been responding to my posts in a multitude of threads, the one here being only one of many, and not once have I seen anything expressing any concern whatsoever to the women who are involved in all of these incidents involving transgender people, or even attempting to figure out something in which both groups can be safe without infringing on the other.

And I haven't misrepresented anything. We all know what generally happens when you put males into prison cells with females, and to deny it is to deny biological reality.

So you’re basically saying that anyone who doesn’t ascribe to your disdain for transgender women is anti-woman.

I referred to your misuse of stats and you respond with "we all know…". Please address your use of a statistic from a tiny sample of people in prison as if it referred to the entire population. That was misleading, is that what you intended?

 

[Sparagmos]

Not more often than black women.

Black transgender women suffer even more violence.

 

[bekkilyn]

So you’re basically saying that anyone who doesn’t ascribe to your disdain for transgender women is anti-woman.

And aren't you just now doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing?

I referred to your misuse of stats and you respond with "we all know…". Please address your use of a statistic from a tiny sample of people in prison as if it referred to the entire population. That was misleading, is that what you intended?

In other words, please produce a master's thesis with references to prove a biological reality that we all know to be true, unless of course we're caught up in the delusion that biological reality doesn't exist.

 

[Sparagmos]

Are We in the Midst of a Transgender Murder Epidemic?

There Is No Epidemic Of Trans Murders - The American Conservative

There is NO trans murder epidemic. But someone IS using trans deaths for political gain in America

I said violent crime, not murder, and was referring to transgender women, not all transgender people. Also, the murder rates for that group have gone up since that article was written.

 

[bekkilyn]

I said violent crime, not murder, and was referring to transgender women, not all transgender people. Also, the murder rates for that group have gone up since that article was written.

Goalposts moving around everywhere once again.

 

[Sparagmos]

And aren't you just now doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing?

. No, I’ve never called you anti-woman. Can you not deal in factual specifics or is everything about your feelings?

In other words, please produce a master's thesis with references to prove a biological reality that we all know to be true, unless of course we're caught up in the delusion that biological reality doesn't exist.

No, just stop avoiding addressing the post you made misrepresenting stats. You can edit your post, no need to pretend it didn’t happen, just own up to it OR defend it. Avoiding the specifics in favor of emotional generalizations isn’t helping your case.

 

[Sparagmos]

Goalposts moving around everywhere once again.

I said violent crime originally. In what reality is it moving the goalpost to stick to my original term?! This is some serious gaslighting on your part.

 

[bekkilyn]

. No, I’ve never called you anti-woman. Can you not deal in factual specifics or is everything about your feelings?"

No, not anti-woman, but you accused me of having "disdain for transgender women".

No, just stop avoiding addressing the post you made misrepresenting stats. You can edit your post, no need to pretend it didn’t happen, just own up to it OR defend it. Avoiding the specifics in favor of emotional generalizations isn’t helping your case.

You're right, I think it would be a great idea to visit the sea lion exhibit today now that the giraffe deck is closed for the season.

 

[RDKirk]

What do you think the epistemology behind that truth claim is?

Do you think it's like science?

Or something else?

I see something happening that I sometimes saw happening in the US National Intelligence Community.

Intelligence analysts work continuously in a realm in which a genuine truth exists (what we call "ground truth"), but we seldom know by direct evidence what that ground truth is. We get a lot of various elements of information from various sources of various degrees of estimated reliability and develop hypotheses about what the ground truth actually is. Some of those hypotheses get proven or disproven by unassailable evidence of the real ground truth (or get proven in actual combat), but many of them exist as only hypotheses for years and years, "generations" of office roll-overs, until people forget that they're only hypotheses and stop looking for the information that would finally prove or disprove them (until they go into actual combat).

But each agency will have its analysis "leaders," people who may be extraordinarily intelligent--or may have simply been there long enough--or may have simply played the game well enough to achieve the positions--to be the gatekeepers of which hypotheses become the truth of that agency. The "truth" from the entire agency, the CIA or DIA or NSA may, in fact, be the hypothesis promoted by a single individual.

In a healthy Intelligence Community, there will at least be competing hypotheses from other agencies. That's very often the case, and the collegiate debate can be fierce. But such debate of competing hypotheses at least keeps everyone aware that they are only hypotheses...not ground truth. Here is a truism of the system: The analyst who gets the glory is not the one who first promulgated a hypothesis, but the one who proves or disproves a hypothesis. If one of my analysts in DIA could definitively prove--or disprove--a CIA hypothesis, that person got the community glory. That's what inhibits "political correctness" in the community.

The problem built into the system by Congress is that the CIA is deemed by law the ultimate gatekeeper. Despite ongoing debate within the IC, it's the CIA's hypothesis that goes to the president and gets folded into national policy and action. Did I mention that hypothesis might actually come from a single individual?

This is what I see happening in the humanities and the social sciences. Unlike hard sciences (even unlike military intelligence), rarely their hypotheses run into ground truth. And they also stanch competing hypotheses by the way they control academic promotion and tenure. They make political correctness in their community it's primary way of operating, rather than an aberration. So no competing hypotheses are permitted.

 

[bekkilyn]

I said violent crime originally. In what reality is it moving the goalpost to stick to my original term?! This is some serious gaslighting on your part.

Because murder isn't a violent crime, I get it. I'm sure there is another epidemic under that rock right over there that we can also concoct.

 

[RDKirk]

Black transgender women suffer even more violence.

Sometimes because they're taken for women.