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Anyone find out what this trans person was in for?

Good point, I looked at a few articles and none have said.

It's possible they were beaten for what they did not who they were. The media likes to promote the view they like but that view is not always the truth. So maybe he got bashed for being trans but he may have also been bashed for his skin colour, religion or for whatever crime he was in for.

Still was wrong to place him in a cell with regular men. Justice should not be meted out at the hands of other prisoners.
 
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She had a choice.

I'd like to say there's an easy solution here but there isn't.

Perhaps the left should start a diversity and Inclusion program in prison that includes topics like "do you feel different inside?" and they can see if it makes any difference in how well trans criminals are tolerated over time.

The women in womens' prisons didn't choose to be women. The trans-women in womens' prison who seem to have a problem with raping their fellow prisoners did choose.

We're left with a situation where there's no choice that satisfies all parties involved.

We can choose to protect women and assert that biological sex matters. In which case, trans women are left vulnerable in men's prison.

We can choose to protect trans women and assert that what people feel inside is the important part...and let anyone who "feels like a woman" into women's prisons. That is the criteria that trans activists insist upon...because that is the medical criteria for "trans"...not hormones, not surgery, not fashion.

If I'm to choose, I'd go with the option that hurts the fewest...keeping women in women's prisons, restrooms, etc as safe as we can reasonably expect.

I understand that is unfortunate for trans people but they made a choice....or so some of them claim. We already agree with the idea that women deserve certain accomodations for equality. These are almost all related to biology. Women's sports, women's choice regarding that thing that shall not be mentioned, and so on.

That's the solution which results in the least harm done to the most people.
But nobody's choice should have to be "Accept that the probablility of experiencing violence is essentially 1 because of who my brain says I am and live that way".
 
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But nobody's choice should have to be "Accept that the probablility of experiencing violence is essentially 1 because of who my brain says I am and live that way".
I would hope that as a professing Christian you understand that this isn’t an excuse to sin. We all have proclivities to sin, and there’s never an excuse.
 
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But nobody's choice should have to be "Accept that the probablility of experiencing violence is essentially 1 because of who my brain says I am and live that way".

Whoa.....really?

So it's safe to say your position has changed from "you made a choice, live with the consequences"?


judge= wrong call.

If he chose to so mark his face, he should live with that. He did that to terrorize those he hates; why should he not live with the unintended concequences?

I never know what you actually believe @rambot because your positions shift so wildly depending upon, what appears to be, the identity group you associate a person with.
 
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Good point, I looked at a few articles and none have said.

It's possible they were beaten for what they did not who they were. The media likes to promote the view they like but that view is not always the truth. So maybe he got bashed for being trans but he may have also been bashed for his skin colour, religion or for whatever crime he was in for.

Still was wrong to place him in a cell with regular men. Justice should not be meted out at the hands of other prisoners.

Yeah I don't know what a book and release crime is....

I would imagine that it's a wide range of possible crimes. I also agree that it was wrong to place this person in a cell with 3 others. I also think it's weird that we suddenly care about this despite people being beaten in jail daily since jail existed.
 
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OK, I was a little dissapointed in it coming from you.

I enjoy reading what you post, so I was pretty hasty, clearly.

Jewish Law is as vast as the ocean, a lifetime is not enough.

I posted as a little intressting item.

To study Jewish Laws seriously there would be no time to spend on an internet forum.

I have studied a little but it was so fascinating I forgot time and room and even eating.

Ahhh....ok...do you at least know what text the imprisonment =torture bit came from?
 
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When a regular man/women gets beat up in prison no one bats an eyelid. To them it is but another event passing them by. Why care about bad people unrelated to you beating each other up? Now add a variable, LGBTQ it suddenly becomes news people care about.

If one cares not for the former why care about the later? You have to ask yourself that question. A crime is a crime.

I give you 2 scenarios:

1. A transgender woman get beats up in prison by male inmates. By and large society sees it as transphobia.
2. A pedophile get beats up in prison by male inmates. By and large society sees it as justice.

My take is that both are crimes and both offenders are equally deserving of safety. My personal grudge against the crimes they commit shouldn't be a factor in their prison treatment.

I'm pretty sure I'd get beaten up in prison. Raped, too, probably...except I'm old enough, maybe not.

But I know it would not make the news.
 
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Yeah I don't know what a book and release crime is....

I would imagine that it's a wide range of possible crimes. I also agree that it was wrong to place this person in a cell with 3 others. I also think it's weird that we suddenly care about this despite people being beaten in jail daily since jail existed.

It's because trans people (and more specifically trans "women") have to be the most oppressed group these days and so everybody has to know about it every time something happens anywhere ever because it "proves" that they are more victimized than all others combined. :)
 
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Honestly, if feeling safer in women's prison is a reason why you should be able to go to women's prison instead of men's....

Why can't I just say that I feel safer in women's prison? If biology isn't the point and it's just about where I, as a man, feel safer....I feel a lot safer in women's prison.
 
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Honestly, if feeling safer in women's prison is a reason why you should be able to go to women's prison instead of men's....

Why can't I just say that I feel safer in women's prison? If biology isn't the point and it's just about where I, as a man, feel safer....I feel a lot safer in women's prison.

Think about it though. If all the violent men are claiming to be women and transferring into the women's prison, then it might be that the men's prison will be safer after all.
 
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I'm pretty sure I'd get beaten up in prison. Raped, too, probably...except I'm old enough, maybe not.

But I know it would not make the news.

Interesting... I'm morbidly curious but dare not probe further.
 
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It's because trans people (and more specifically trans "women") have to be the most oppressed group these days and so everybody has to know about it every time something happens anywhere ever because it "proves" that they are more victimized than all others combined. :)

Well they get to have arguments over who is more oppressed...that's why I'm skeptical if they're going to let the pedophiles in...and they're trying hard to get in.

It's hard to argue that this white supremacist nation is more oppressive to you when there's still laws against the pedos.

After all, if a child can consent to life changing medical procedures at 10...what exactly can't they consent to?

If they get in the far left coalition....I'm going to enjoy the fireworks.
 
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It's because trans people (and more specifically trans "women") have to be the most oppressed group these days and so everybody has to know about it every time something happens anywhere ever because it "proves" that they are more victimized than all others combined. :)

The ironic thing is that white trans men reserve the right to shift to the dominant white male role at any time they please...which was the point of Dave Chappel's rant. He had very carefully identified white male transsexuals--actually, white male gender-fluids (let's be more precise)--as the subject of his ire. Inasmuch as they still retain the social power of being white and male whenever they want it, he doesn't feel he's "punching down" at all.
 
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The ironic thing is that white trans men reserve the right to shift to the dominant white male role at any time they please...which was the point of Dave Chappel's rant. He had very carefully identified white male transsexuals--actually, white male gender-fluids (let's be more precise)--as the subject of his ire. Inasmuch as they still retain the social power of being white and male whenever they want it, he doesn't feel he's "punching down" at all.

There's a joke in there about white male gender fluids I'm not going to make.
 
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The ironic thing is that white trans men reserve the right to shift to the dominant white male role at any time they please...which was the point of Dave Chappel's rant. He had very carefully identified white male transsexuals--actually, white male gender-fluids (let's be more precise)--as the subject of his ire. Inasmuch as they still retain the social power of being white and male whenever they want it, he doesn't feel he's "punching down" at all.

I once did the math just to check the claim that trans-advocates used to make about the "epidemic of anti-trans violence"...

Pretty simple stuff really. Take the best guess at their percentage of the population by social scientists, psychologists....whoever. Take the number of trans people murdered on whatever year they are claiming...

Take the little number, divided by the big number, and you learn it's a total lie. Chances of being a murdered trans if I remember correctly, was slightly higher than asians....and basically lower than everyone else.

I'm pretty sure that's why advocates changed the conversation to pronouns and suicide .

It shifts blame from a few genuinely hateful people...to an entire society, or system if you prefer.
 
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The ironic thing is that white trans men reserve the right to shift to the dominant white male role at any time they please...which was the point of Dave Chappel's rant. He had very carefully identified white male transsexuals--actually, white male gender-fluids (let's be more precise)--as the subject of his ire. Inasmuch as they still retain the social power of being white and male whenever they want it, he doesn't feel he's "punching down" at all.

Considering how much power they have to get him cancelled practically everywhere, they're the ones punching down at him!
 
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Yeah I don't know what a book and release crime is....

I would imagine that it's a wide range of possible crimes. I also agree that it was wrong to place this person in a cell with 3 others. I also think it's weird that we suddenly care about this despite people being beaten in jail daily since jail existed.

Well I am guessing book and release isn't murder. I would also guess they purposely placed that person with 3 men for the express purpose of having them beat them up, probably because the cops were of that type. Training of police and who is allowed to join the force is a whole other topic though.

This beating gives the left media something to use to keep their agenda going. They may pretend to be outraged, they aren't, not unless they have also fallen into the same lies.
If a person being beaten was an outrage as you said, all the other beatings done in jail would get equal air time. A regular man or woman isn't of any use to them (unless they are some other kind of other minority) so no they don't get news coverage.

The whole point is to make the trans movement appear much larger than it is. Like its common place with a huge amount of hate and violence aimed towards it. That is far more useful to them. News keeps the general populations minds on it because they know we are far more interested in other things like our jobs, paying our bills, looking after our kids etc and trans issues would slip off our radar if not pushed. So out comes some more news to keep people talking. They do the same with race, find something to whip people into a frenzy over rather than actually tackling the real issues.

Then come an election they can pull out their oppression cards rather than focusing on things that really matter such as illiteracy rates and how that has a big impact on crime and poverty. Much easier to make a speech on trans issues with a whipped up crowd then tackle illiteracy and actually look hard at schools, especially inner city ones.
 
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Well I am guessing book and release isn't murder.

Agreed...but liberal cities have been changing which crimes they hold you for pretty drastically.

I don't think it's something like murder or rape....theft? Dunno. Indecent exposure? Dunno. I think it's fair to assume it's non-violent.

I would also guess they purposely placed that person with 3 men for the express purpose of having them beat them up, probably because the cops were of that type. Training of police and who is allowed to join the force is a whole other topic though.

It's definitely written a certain way to lead to that conclusion....and it's certainly possible.

I think it's safe to assume that he placed that person there on purpose. I have to imagine they have policy that dictates otherwise.

But could there be other reasons? If they got booked, they got printed, they got a criminal record check. If they had a history of messing with children? Beating women? Those could be reasons.

How about this....one of the apprehending police was black and this person dropped an a-bomb? Possible.

None of this makes this treatment justified....but I hate that this is the news now. Let's assume motives, let's assume victimhood, let's get the reader outraged.

It's Nick Sandman all over again. It's creating a culture that I'm beginning to despise.

Think of that story, that picture, and you know how it was depicted. MAGA wearing Trump loving white boy is jumping in the face of ancient native American activist who peacefully plays the drum...because he hates that the genocide his ancestors committed didn't finish them off.

If I had suggested that perhaps a racist hate group of black hebrew Israelites were the instigators, this kid just stood up for himself, and the native American inserted himself into the situation for reasons unknown....

I'd have been laughed at.

We don't have to assume motives and viewpoints to get the news. The news definitely wants us to though.

This beating gives the left media something to use to keep their agenda going. They may pretend to be outraged, they aren't, not unless they have also fallen into the same lies.
If a person being beaten was an outrage as you said, all the other beatings done in jail would get equal air time. A regular man or woman isn't of any use to them (unless they are some other kind of other minority) so no they don't get news coverage.

Here's the weird thing. I can tell people understand they aren't really being reasonable with this stuff. I've only really begun to figure out how to deconvert atheists from it though.

The whole point is to make the trans movement appear much larger than it is. Like its common place with a huge amount of hate and violence aimed towards it. That is far more useful to them. News keeps the general populations minds on it because they know we are far more interested in other things like our jobs, paying our bills, looking after our kids etc and trans issues would slip off our radar if not pushed. So out comes some more news to keep people talking. They do the same with race, find something to whip people into a frenzy over rather than actually tackling the real issues.

Then come an election they can pull out their oppression cards rather than focusing on things that really matter such as illiteracy rates and how that has a big impact on crime and poverty. Much easier to make a speech on trans issues with a whipped up crowd then tackle illiteracy and actually look hard at schools, especially inner city ones.

I'd argue it's even worse than that....yes, you can say that the rational self interest of these identity groups are aligning themselves with the Democratic party to benefit from it.

I tend to think that when people tell you who they are....then you should believe them. There's a certain arrogance that comes from the person saying "I'm a Marxist" and believing it won't hurt their movement one bit. It's not a dog whistle...it's a bullhorn to every other Marxist. They're literally proving that the people supporting them not only don't know anything about Marxists....they don't care.

It's a signal to all other Marxists.

When someone says that they are using concepts from "Critical Race Theory" but they say they aren't teaching "Critical Race Theory"....they're literally pointing out "these people have no idea what a critical theory is".

I had a guy, no joke, say that the "critical" meant critical thinking. I told him (because I knew he was a communist, he's admitted it openly) that I could quote one of the guy's who came up with "critical theories" aka critical pedagogy on the difference between a critical theory and a traditional theory...and told him that we can then talk about which one employs critical thinking.

He left the thread.

I've always known about Marxism, if not every version of it, but I didn't know much about critical theory. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to present this stuff to Christians lol.
 
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