Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[TLK Valentine]

 

[Semper-Fi]

Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional
— but just doesn’t care


Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional — but doesn't care

"Clearly, President Joe Biden is not chastened by the Supreme Court smackdown
he got just a couple of weeks ago, when the justices invalidated the eviction
moratorium that even administration officials acknowledge was patently lawless
right before Biden reissued it.

Quite the opposite.

The administration is similarly well aware that the national vaccine mandate that
the president is poised to issue is unlawful. White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain
made the obvious explicit by retweeting a progressive commentator’s observation
that the ploy of imposing the vaccine requirement as a workplace-safety rule
under OSHA (the Occupational Safety and Health Administration) is the
“ultimate work-around.”

Translation: The president knows that an executive order mandating COVID vaccination would be shot down instantly, so he’s trying to camouflage it in a maze of Labor"

 

[Hans Blaster]

Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional
— but just doesn’t care


Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional — but doesn't care

"Clearly, President Joe Biden is not chastened by the Supreme Court smackdown
he got just a couple of weeks ago, when the justices invalidated the eviction
moratorium that even administration officials acknowledge was patently lawless
right before Biden reissued it.

Quite the opposite.

The administration is similarly well aware that the national vaccine mandate that
the president is poised to issue is unlawful. White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain
made the obvious explicit by retweeting a progressive commentator’s observation
that the ploy of imposing the vaccine requirement as a workplace-safety rule
under OSHA (the Occupational Safety and Health Administration) is the
“ultimate work-around.”

Translation: The president knows that an executive order mandating COVID vaccination would be shot down instantly, so he’s trying to camouflage it in a maze of Labor"

P1: Workplace safety and health is regulated under the OSH Act.
P2: Disease spreading co-workers are a workplace health issue.
P3: Vaccinations will drastically reduce the spread of disease by co-workers.

Therefore, vaccination of contagious and dangerous diseases is a workplace heath issue. The "vaccinate or test" order for workplaces *will* survive all legal challenges.

 

[Aldebaran]

P1: Workplace safety and health is regulated under the OSH Act.
P2: Disease spreading co-workers are a workplace health issue.
P3: Vaccinations will drastically reduce the spread of disease by co-workers.

Therefore, vaccination of contagious and dangerous diseases is a workplace heath issue. The "vaccinate or test" order for workplaces *will* survive all legal challenges.

If (3) was true, the vaccinated wouldn't have to keep wearing masks, and the hospitals wouldn't be filling up with fully vaccinated people with "rare" breakthrough cases.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If (3) was true, the vaccinated wouldn't have to keep wearing masks, and the hospitals wouldn't be filling up with fully vaccinated people with "rare" breakthrough cases.

Check the data again, or better, find someone who actually understands the data and listen to their analyses.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If (3) was true, the vaccinated wouldn't have to keep wearing masks, and the hospitals wouldn't be filling up with fully vaccinated people with "rare" breakthrough cases.

Air bags drastically reduce traffic fatalities, and yet seat belts are still mandated.
Hospitals are filling up with unvaccinated COVID cases.

Try harder next time.

 

[Aldebaran]

Check the data again, or better, find someone who actually understands the data and listen to their analyses.

I already have. Data shows that most of the people in Israeli hospitals with Covid were fully vaccinated.

 

[KCfromNC]

When I got the J&J shot in May, the guy giving it to me said it has a 100% effectiveness rate at preventing hospitalization and death. I told him that I heard it was said to only be around 63%, and he replied that the 63% is only for preventing contracting Covid in the first place.

I'm not sure how this unverified anecdote has anything to do with current research on vaccine effectiveness, but thanks for sharing, I guess.

With the Moderna and Pfizer being advertised to be so much better than J&J, and still seeing masses of fully vaxxed people hospitalized and dying, it's amazing that people still have so much faith in these things.

It doesn't take faith if people would just look at the data rather than attempting to find reasons to distract from it as this post is trying to do.

 

[KCfromNC]

To date in America, there have been over 600,000 serious adverse reactions to the jab, with over 1,400 deaths - and the coverups and lies continue

Most of those dying are dying from severe adverse reactions to the so-called vaccines. They continue to deceive the gullible public.

They don’t count you as vaccinated for 14 days after being vaxxed, yet 80% of those who die from it, die within that time frame - so those deaths are deceptively called deaths of unvaccinated people - the surge in unvaccinated deaths is in reality deaths of the vaccinated.

If only there were evidence for any of these empty assertions.

 

[KCfromNC]

I already have. Data shows that most of the people in Israeli hospitals with Covid were fully vaccinated.

Yes, because most people in Israel in general are full vaccinated. This is like saying that data shows that all pro football players injured on the field were wearing a helmet, and concluding that helmets are to blame.

 

[Kentonio]

Biden knows his vax mandates are unconstitutional
— but just doesn’t care

Didn't this get answered on page 2 of the thread by wing2000?

....here's one view:

"...the Supreme Court resolved the issue of mandatory vaccinations in 1905, ruling 7-2 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that they were constitutional.

The Constitution “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint,” Justice John Marshall Harlan, known for defending civil liberties, wrote. “Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

"...upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”

Vaccination Mandates Are an American Tradition. So Is the Backlash.

 

[NxNW]

To date in America, there have been over 600,000 serious adverse reactions to the jab, with over 1,400 deaths - and the coverups and lies continue

Link, please.

Most of those dying are dying from severe adverse reactions to the so-called vaccines. They continue to deceive the gullible public.

You wouldn't happen to be a member of the gullible public, would you?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Biden drops hammer. Biden doesn’t know what hammer is for. Biden hammered.

 

[NxNW]

Governor Cooper Pushes Vaccination Requirements and Urges Schools Districts to Keep Mask Mandates | NC Gov. Cooper

Your link has nothing to do with your prior claims.

What hypocrisy? What lies?

The ones blatantly pictured in my comment.

You still haven't given any examples.

 

[whatbogsends]

Yes, because most people in Israel in general are full vaccinated. This is like saying that data shows that all pro football players injured on the field were wearing a helmet, and concluding that helmets are to blame.

And Israel is at the highest rates of infection since the beginning of the pandemic.

Recently had a 7-day average of 10,128 on September 6 whereas the previous high before vaccines was 8,395 on Jan 14.

It may have curbed Covid deaths somewhat but certainly not by anywhere near 90%. The 7-day average of Covid deaths peaked recently at 30, wheras they peaked in January at 62.

It's unclear if they've reached the peak of this wave or if it will start to go down again.

Israel COVID: 1,211,443 Cases and 7,494 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm not sure how this unverified anecdote has anything to do with current research on vaccine effectiveness, but thanks for sharing, I guess.


It doesn't take faith if people would just look at the data rather than attempting to find reasons to distract from it as this post is trying to do.

Some people focus on what happens in real life, while others are more impressed by squiggly lines and numbers on a page. Take your pick.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, because most people in Israel in general are full vaccinated. This is like saying that data shows that all pro football players injured on the field were wearing a helmet, and concluding that helmets are to blame.

If a hospital filled up with players after each game due to concussions while wearing a helmet, it would certainly call into question the effectiveness of the helmet being used.

 

[BigDaddy4]

I could be wrong, but I don't recall any of the posters on here as being from Israel? Every article or news report I recall seeing says the unvaccinated make up the the majority of the hospitalizations and deaths in the United States. As much as 90-95% in some places. So why are we talking about Israel?

 

[Aldebaran]

I could be wrong, but I don't recall any of the posters on here as being from Israel? Every article or news report I recall seeing says the unvaccinated make up the the majority of the hospitalizations and deaths in the United States. As much as 90-95% in some places. So why are we talking about Israel?

High vaccination rate
High hospitalization rate
Internet access to news about both of those items from anywhere in the world

 

[BigDaddy4]

High vaccination rate
High hospitalization rate
Internet access to news about both of those items from anywhere in the world

While you ignore the data around your area and around the country you live in, which is more likely to affect you. Doesn't do much to help your point to use Israel while ignoring other, more relevant data.