Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Petros2015]

One day they’ll go after something you disagree with

One day, they tried. But it didn't work.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Get this...
Get this...if you take the vaccine...
Get this...
Your government
Your government will...
Make you take another one next year.

CORRECTION In five months

 

[iluvatar5150]

Look at how many support tyranny. One day they’ll go after something you disagree with, but it will be too late.

What an odd notion of tyranny.

 

[Albion]

What an odd notion of tyranny.

Decree that almost any restriction on liberty, even when Constitutional guarantees are set aside, is for the sake of public health...and there is no limit.

Climate Change doesn't quite work, nor does fear of the nuclear threat, but "millions of you will die of disease if we don't do the following" is close to foolproof.

 

[Hammster]

What an odd notion of tyranny.

It’s not odd at all.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I do not have any faith in the Government when it comes to this Covid issue or what is best for me.

They do not have a clue what is best for us, only GOD knows what is best for us and they reject him.

Example is the booster jab, originally it was once a year, then 8 months then 6 then 5 as below. I cannot wait till they say it is weekly.

Your Risk of COVID Is 10 Times Higher This Long After Vaccination, Study Says
The Mayo Clinic researchers found that the risk of symptomatic infection increases with the amount of time that has passed after an individual's second shot. According to the study, the odds of developing a case with symptoms was seven times higher 120 days after full vaccination than immediately after your final dose. But by 150 days, or nearly five months, the risk of symptomatic infection was 10 times higher.

 

[Vylo]

About time.

 

[whatbogsends]

How would that affect workplace safety?

This policy (OSHA Covid vaccination requirements), clearly reduces the danger of Covid transmission in the work place.

How does requiring the vaccine for remote employees (who have no physical contact with other workers) reduce transmissions in the workplace?

 

[BBAS 64]

Such a failure at understanding his job, he gets smacked time and time again from states and Judicial branch and he knows it... WH chief of staff re- tweets for sure this will haunt them in court. They know it is illegal and think they have a workaround, that did not work for the eviction issue. Look for a really strong rebuke from the courts.

 

[BBAS 64]

"Companies that fail to comply with these rules will face fines. By statute, OSHA fines are quite small: $13,653 for a “serious” violation. But the agency can cite multiple health or safety failures when it wants to beef up penalties, or it can issue fines for “willful” violations, which each come with a higher price of $136,532."

The checks in the mail.... LOL

 

[NxNW]

How does requiring the vaccine for remote employees (who have no physical contact with other workers) reduce transmissions in the workplace?

Because they are still likely to come in for training, or to pick up equipment, or to attend events, or to be fingerprinted, etc.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Decree that almost any restriction on liberty, even when Constitutional guarantees are set aside, is for the sake of public health...and there is no limit.

Climate Change doesn't quite work, nor does fear of the nuclear threat, but "millions of you will die of disease if we don't do the following" is close to foolproof.

The nice thing about that reasoning is that it's true. The states with the highest per capita covid death rates are currently sitting around 0.25%-0.3% of their entire populations. If it were the case that all of those top-ranked states were northeastern states that were hit early, before we had more effective treatment schemes, then it would stand to reason that the average mortality rate for the entire country (once everybody was infected) could be somewhat lower than that. But several of the states in those top rankings weren't hit early - Mississippi, Arizona, and Alabama all had their big spikes later on, which would suggest that even our improved treatment plans aren't enough to keep the overall death rate below 0.3%. 0.3% of 328 million is just shy of 1 million.

It’s not odd at all.

Sure it is. Roughly 69,000 people in the US have died of COVID since the beginning of May, which was about 2 weeks after the vaccine eligibility had opened up to everybody. And the numbers aren't going down - August had the most deaths (~34,000) since February (by a considerable margin), with a death count comparable to that of May 2020 (~38,000). The US government has taken very few actions in its history that have killed 69,000 civilians in 4.5 months - nothing about enforcing a vaccine mandate is as tyrannical as enforcing a libertarian policy of sitting back and letting it kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people.

Data source:
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

 

[Hammster]

Sure it is. Roughly 69,000 people in the US have died of COVID since the beginning of May, which was about 2 weeks after the vaccine eligibility had opened up to everybody. And the numbers aren't going down - August had the most deaths (~34,000) since February (by a considerable margin), with a death count comparable to that of May 2020 (~38,000). The US government has taken very few actions in its history that have killed 69,000 civilians in 4.5 months - nothing about enforcing a vaccine mandate is as tyrannical as enforcing a libertarian policy of sitting back and letting it kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people.

You don’t have to enforce a libertarian policy. That’s why it isn’t tyranny.

 

[Albion]

The nice thing about that reasoning is that it's true.

And if it weren't, the claim would still work just fine as a justification for suspending all Constitutional liberties and who knows what else. We already have heard some voices in this country talking about re-education camps, and look what's happening in Australia.

And, by the way, I'll bet that even those people who support such moves have some activity that means a lot to them personally, something they are still free to pursue, who would be outraged if the government were to say about such activity, "No more of that. People are dying!"

It might not be the right to free speech because only conservatives are restricted there. It might not be church attendance because not everyone is a churchgoer. And it might not be the prohibition against traveling outside the country (or one's home state, as has been floated as a possibility) because not everyone wants or needs to travel. But there's something...and when it's banned, THEN what was okay when it affected other people will suddenly seem unjust.

 

[wing2000]

Not at the expense of people constitutional rights. This will be decided in the courts.

....here's one view:

"...the Supreme Court resolved the issue of mandatory vaccinations in 1905, ruling 7-2 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that they were constitutional.

The Constitution “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint,” Justice John Marshall Harlan, known for defending civil liberties, wrote. “Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

"...upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”

Vaccination Mandates Are an American Tradition. So Is the Backlash.

 

[whatbogsends]

Because they are still likely to come in for training, or to pick up equipment, or to attend events, or to be fingerprinted, etc.

Then they should be required to get a negative test before coming on-site or into contact with other employees.

 

[JacksBratt]

Covid Live Updates: Biden Unveils Vaccine Mandate Plan Covering Two-Thirds of U.S. Workers

Funny thing.... Biden stated that he would never do this. Pelosi stated that they can't... But.. time goes by....

 

[mama2one]

Funny thing.... Biden stated that he would never do this. Pelosi stated that they can't... But.. time goes by....

maybe they relied too much on Americans getting vaccine

we let the country down

 

[JacksBratt]

I'm fully vaccinated. My choice. However, what threat to me is an non vaccinated individual?

What happened to the mantra shouted by those in favor of abortion..... "My body... my choice"?

Guess that didn't age well... Or... it's a double standard.

 

[JacksBratt]

maybe they relied too much on Americans getting vaccine

we let the country down

From the context and his tone of voice... He was simply stating that he would never mandate vaccines.
From Pelosi's mannerisms... she was simply stating that "they cannot due it... by law"...