Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[iluvatar5150]

Covid Live Updates: Biden Unveils Vaccine Mandate Plan Covering Two-Thirds of U.S. Workers

Also on Thursday, he ordered mandatory vaccination for nearly 300,000 educators in the federal Head Start Program. He announced that he would use the Defense Production Act to increase the production of rapid testing kits and would work with retailers including Amazon and Walmart to expand their availability. And he said the Transportation Security Administration would now double fines on passengers who refuse to wear masks, among other steps.

Mr. Biden is acting through a combination of executive orders and new federal rules. Under his plan, federal workers, contractors and health care workers employed by institutions that accept Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement will not be allowed to opt out of testing by undergoing mandatory vaccination. Private sector businesses that have 100 or more employees will have to require vaccination, or mandatory weekly testing, for their workers after Mr. Biden instructs the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to draft a rule.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

Nice.

It’s good to see some positive news

 

[Hank77]

@iluvatar5150
Thanks for quoting from the article for those of us who don't have a subscription.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well it’s about time. Hoping and praying that people eventually come around to getting the shot was just spinning our wheels and going nowhere.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What's the punishment non-compliance?

 

[evoeth]

Get vaccinated or get tested regularly?

Good.

 

[mama2one]

What's the punishment non-compliance?

"Companies that fail to comply with these rules will face fines. By statute, OSHA fines are quite small: $13,653 for a “serious” violation. But the agency can cite multiple health or safety failures when it wants to beef up penalties, or it can issue fines for “willful” violations, which each come with a higher price of $136,532."

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

My understanding is that federal employees and contractors have to get the shot to work, companies greater than 100 have to get the shot or a weekly test, health care workers that work for a business that gets Medicare or Medicaid have to get the shot. They want to pressure schools to mandate vaccines for kids over 12. Biden said he would not mandate the vaccine, another lie.

But people flooding across the border do not need to get the shot, people from Afghanistan do not need to get the shot. How typical. We trust the Taliban but we don't trust Americans to do what they want with their own bodies. Oh wait.

I doubt this is constitutional and we will have to see how this plays out. I am vaccinated because I believe it is the right thing to do for myself after my research. I would never condone mandating a vaccine to anyone. That should be a personal choice. If I get Covid being vaccinated there is a great possibility I will not need to be hospitalized, if someone non vaccinated gets Covid that possibility is greatly increased. So it seems to me that the unvaccinated are only really harming themselves anyway.

Having said this I am a strong supporter of the vaccine and would recommend people get it if they can. If they choose.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Well it’s about time. Hoping and praying that people eventually come around to getting the shot was just spinning our wheels and going nowhere.

Really? 75% of Americans over 18 have at least one shot and 64% are fully vaccinated. And the rate has been increasing.

White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose

That is not spinning our wheels. That is progress in a semi-free society by people making their own choice.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Biden said he would not mandate the vaccine, another lie.

When did he say that?

I doubt this is constitutional.

From what I understand, this covers federal employees and contractors, firms that bill to medicare/medicaid, and firms covered by OSHA - because the feds already have constitutional levers to use against those firms.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Covid Live Updates: Biden Unveils Vaccine Mandate Plan Covering Two-Thirds of U.S. Workers

File under "We tried to be nice..."

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

When did he say that?

Dec 5, 2020. To be fair he said he would not mandate it for all Americans. But in context he seems to have meant no mandates at all.

From what I understand, this covers federal employees and contractors, firms that bill to medicare/medicaid, and firms covered by OSHA - because the feds already have constitutional levers to use against those firms.

Yes, but just because someone works for the federal government does not mean the federal government can violate a persons rights. The president cannot mandate unlawful seizure or punish you for a religious belief just because you work for the government.

You think it is ok to force a construction worker that works for a private company that is contracted with the federal government to have to choose between the job and putting something in their body they do not want? Or a health care worker in the same situation? What exactly does freedom mean to you?

Would you be ok if Trump mandated that anyone working for the federal government is barred from having an abortion?

 

[wing2000]

Yes, but just because someone works for the federal government does not mean the federal government can violate a persons rights.

The government has rights to ensure the safety of the workplace just as any other employer does.

 

[Ceallaigh]

My understanding is that federal employees and contractors have to get the shot to work, companies greater than 100 have to get the shot or a weekly test, health care workers that work for a business that gets Medicare or Medicaid have to get the shot. They want to pressure schools to mandate vaccines for kids over 12. Biden said he would not mandate the vaccine, another lie.

But people flooding across the border do not need to get the shot, people from Afghanistan do not need to get the shot. How typical. We trust the Taliban but we don't trust Americans to do what they want with their own bodies. Oh wait.

I doubt this is constitutional and we will have to see how this plays out. I am vaccinated because I believe it is the right thing to do for myself after my research. I would never condone mandating a vaccine to anyone. That should be a personal choice. If I get Covid being vaccinated there is a great possibility I will not need to be hospitalized, if someone non vaccinated gets Covid that possibility is greatly increased. So it seems to me that the unvaccinated are only really harming themselves anyway.

Having said this I am a strong supporter of the vaccine and would recommend people get it if they can. If they choose.

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

The government has rights to ensure the safety of the workplace just as any other employer does.

Not at the expense of people constitutional rights. This will be decided in the courts.

 

[Petros2015]

Knock Knock.
Who's there?
Reality.
Reality who?
Yeah, that's the problem...

 

[Hans Blaster]

Would you be ok if Trump mandated that anyone working for the federal government is barred from having an abortion?

How would that affect workplace safety?

This policy (OSHA Covid vaccination requirements), clearly reduces the danger of Covid transmission in the work place.

 

[Pommer]

Not at the expense of people constitutional rights. This will be decided in the courts.

Rights don’t enter into it, friend, this is filed under “responsibilities”, you know the “check” on the “total-freedom” that would result in anarchy.

 

[Hammster]

Look at how many support tyranny. One day they’ll go after something you disagree with, but it will be too late.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Look at how many support tyranny. One day they’ll go after something you disagree with, but it will be too late.

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